Is democracy the only good form of government?

[The Rich Port]

If you think so is it right to instill democracy on nations by force.

:D

Not fucking necessarily.

It's not in what it is, it's in how you do it, kind of like sex, or writing a screenplay, or not being ridiculed on NS.

There is, in fact, a WRONG way to instill democracy, and you're for it.

[Hippostania]

Do you support partitioning Canada too? And the UK, Germany, Spain

No, these countries are democracies.

Turkey

I'd give independence to Kurdistan, but that's it.

Iran, India, Indonesia, Nigeria

If they start making trouble, yes.

Including the U.S. too?

Absolutely not.

[Zottistan]

No. Well, ideally, yes, but true democracy can't exist in a human society. True democracy would imply a state in which there is no government and in which the people and the candidates can do whatever is in their power and the law to succeed. Unfortunately, this would result in crazy-ass far right nutjob psychopaths overtaking the average, decent politicians everytime due to a complete lack of honour and respect for humanity. So, no. And yeah, any other form of democracy is a half democracy. And half democracy is the equivalent of half pregnant.
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[Prussia-Steinbach]

The fact that "the people" have voted in Communism shows that democracy is not the best form of government.

I rest my case.

You do know that I am a fierce anti-democrat right?

I never said you weren't, and was not replying to any post you had made.
I simply used your phrase.

"I rest my case."

[New Bazlantis]

Democracy is a good form of government as long as the citizens are educated and use it to achieve freedom. However, if people use democracy to elect fascist or leftist parties power which oppress the population, then it doesn't work. This is why liberal democracy works in countries like the US and the UK, but doesn't work in countries like Russia or Venezuela that should have an appointed parliament.

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

[Volnotova]

Do you support partitioning Canada too? And the UK, Germany, Spain

No, these countries are democracies.

Turkey

I'd give independence to Kurdistan, but that's it.

Iran, India, Indonesia, Nigeria

If they start making trouble, yes.

Including the U.S. too?

Absolutely not.

You're a faux democrat.

Austria-Hungary was economically devastated.

Stop forcing trough your own will and leave it up to the people of those non-dictatorships.

They might be tyrannical and oppressive. But they are not dictatorships. Stop assuming that all countries you like are free and democratic and that all people that are not are communists and dictatorships.

Russia has opposition parties. Not everything is censored and partitioning it would devastate its integrated economy.

Stop saying these ridiculous and asinine things when you already know they are utterly retarded.

China and Russia aren't dictatorships, period, no question about it. They don't have dictators or anything close to that and don't have any person in charge that posses near absolute power.

Nor are their economies entirely state controlled(even the US has state interventionism in the economy) nor is everything outlawed(remember, the U.S. also has drug laws and laws forbidding certain practises, be it preventing people from being free to take drugs to petty regulations preventing people younger than 25 from becoming members of the House of Representatives).

The U.S. is not free and China and Russia aren't state socialist/capitalist totalitarian dictatorships totally lacking in any freedom whatsoever.

I am not saying that is bad or good, I am just saying it is.(So just so you know, you can refrain from accusing me of licking Jintao's and Putin's ballsacks and from being a totalitarian communist).

[Hippostania]

Democracy is a good form of government as long as the citizens are educated and use it to achieve freedom. However, if people use democracy to elect fascist or leftist parties power which oppress the population, then it doesn't work. This is why liberal democracy works in countries like the US and the UK, but doesn't work in countries like Russia or Venezuela that should have an appointed parliament.

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

My ideology is that everyone have the freedom to do whatever they want as they do not violate the freedoms of anyone else. So yeah.

[Divair]

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

My ideology is that everyone have the freedom to do whatever they want as they do not violate the freedoms of anyone else. So yeah.

So if there was a dictatorship that was set up that people joined voluntarily, you'd be fine with it?

[Zottistan]

Democracy is a good form of government as long as the citizens are educated and use it to achieve freedom. However, if people use democracy to elect fascist or leftist parties power which oppress the population, then it doesn't work. This is why liberal democracy works in countries like the US and the UK, but doesn't work in countries like Russia or Venezuela that should have an appointed parliament.

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

Indeed. Not very democratic of you, Hippo. Democracy means giving people the right to think and take part in government. You're essentially saying that everybody who isn't a conservative is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to have their oppinions. Even though democracy aspires to be socialism and socialism aspires to be communism.

[Ovisterra]

No and no.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

My ideology is that everyone have the freedom to do whatever they want as they do not violate the freedoms of anyone else. So yeah.

So if there was a dictatorship that was set up that people joined voluntarily, you'd be fine with it?

I don't believe that was what he was saying, because a dictatorship would eventually begin to violate the rights of the people, having absolute power and all.

[Volnotova]

Democracy is a good form of government as long as the citizens are educated and use it to achieve freedom. However, if people use democracy to elect fascist or leftist parties power which oppress the population, then it doesn't work. This is why liberal democracy works in countries like the US and the UK, but doesn't work in countries like Russia or Venezuela that should have an appointed parliament.

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

You know what the problem is with Hippo? He is not genuine.

I have seen real and fierce neo-conservatives on this forum, people that were actually genuine when it came to their views.

The problem with Hippostania is that he is inherently intellectually dishonest and just keeps ignoring criticism while throwing out ridiculous accusations(Kofi Annan a dictator? Putin the devil incarnate? Corporate welfare being compatible with a truly free market? Cuba Communist? Throwing your political enemies in jail for disagreeing with you being compatible with being a free and democratic country?).

I am done here, he already admitted once that isn't genuine(His literal words being akin to "What I said/my views are ridiculous") when it comes to his supposed world view and that he is just saying certain things to piss off certain people.

[Divair]

So if there was a dictatorship that was set up that people joined voluntarily, you'd be fine with it?

I don't believe that was what he was saying, because a dictatorship would eventually begin to violate the rights of the people, having absolute power and all.

But if the people don't mind it and can leave whenever they want, what then?

[Chinese Regions]

Yes and no (Since it defies democracy).

[Risottia]

Italy getting partitioned into a myriad of duchies and city-states for some centuries didn't turn out too much good for Italy. It was merely pretty useful for those who wanted to conquer bits of it.
Nor it did prevent Italy becoming a dictatorship some 60 years after coming together again.

So, no.

To be fair, Italy is never meant to be a single country to begin with, judging from the fact that there are a great difference from culture to language.

Never meant, BY WHOM?
Because for sure the vast majority of Italians prefer it to be a single country. No one else's will does matter.

And the "great difference from culture to language", lol. It's evident you know NOTHING about the birth of the Italian language. But I would assume you never bothered to compare Cielo d'Alcamo and Cecco Angiolieri.
Or Lega Nord and the 'Ndrangheta.

The failed attempt to unite the culture of Italy is pretty much the reason why it lost the WWII with a particularly embarrassing results.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No, the reason it lost the first leg of WW2 was that it had an imbecile leadership.

[Great Nepal]

No, supplying people with arms is the maximum foreign nation should go in regards to foreign nation's government.
As for it being only good form of government: at our current technological level - yes. Once, we have perfect and incorruptible and 100% secure computer to judge people's actual competency for job - meritocracy would be the best.

[Chinese Regions]

Just because your party doesn't win, does not mean that country is a dictatorship. Oh, and hell no.

If an authoritarian party that restricts freedom of press, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of.. well, pretty much everything wins, then yeah, it is a dictatorship. Partitioning Russia is ultimately good for everyone, including Russians.

You don't need to partition a country to make it democratic.

[Hippostania]

My ideology is that everyone have the freedom to do whatever they want as they do not violate the freedoms of anyone else. So yeah.

So if there was a dictatorship that was set up that people joined voluntarily, you'd be fine with it?

If everyone joined it voluntarily, then yeah. I'm fine with commie communes for example.

Indeed. Not very democratic of you, Hippo. Democracy means giving people the right to think and take part in government. You're essentially saying that everybody who isn't a conservative is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to have their oppinions. Even though democracy aspires to be socialism and socialism aspires to be communism.

Feel free to take part in government, just don't start enacting laws which violate the rights and freedoms of minorities. That's what commies and other leftists usually do.

[Moneyhungerious]

The UN is quite a problem, its actions don't reflect the general will of the majority of the countries in it, but rather reflect the aims of the major participants and the big money that runs it. And the U.S. acts as the UN's military force. Someone said get rid of the UN and replace it w/ nothing, YES.

The problem with democracy, &/or any form of government in reality, is that eventually it will become corrupted by outside money, and at that point it will no longer reflect the will of the people but will reflect the will of powerful individuals who are hungry for more power. At that point Government becomes a glutton for power, and tramples on the rights of the citizens.

A small, limited government where people are able to have more power to govern themselves locally, with the small central government tasked with the oversight of the local governments to make sure that they are abiding by a Constitution that is meant to protect the people of the country, that form of a representative government would be my preference.

In my opinion if a centrist government doesn't have enough checks against it, it will eventually get out of control. Just one example is the 16th ammendment in the U.S. (the ammendment that legalized federal income taxes) was passed without ratification from the required number of states (only 3 actually ratified the ammendment), and yet there was nothing done about this illegal, unconstitutional act.

The larger a central government, the easier it is for corrupt money to get injected in and essentially perform a coup to get off line of the "will of the people"

[Tuthina]

Translation: Anybody that disagrees with my ideology should have it forced upon them.

My ideology is that everyone have the freedom to do whatever they want as they do not violate the freedoms of anyone else. So yeah.

In which part does your abolitionist prohibitionist movement fit in?

[Risottia]

Nor it did prevent Italy becoming a dictatorship some 60 years after coming together again.

Shoud've stayed seperated..!

I see you hate democracy.

Italy unified because Italians wanted to unify. Got problems with that?

[Naposicilia]

Yes, I think.

[Ovisterra]

Dontcha love the idea of forcing democracy?

"You'll run your country in a fair and equal way, whether you like it or not!"

[Cruciland]

"Is democracy the only good form?" Quite the opposite, in my opinion.

"Should we enforce it on others?" Screw you, that's like forcing rat poison down my throat.

[Volnotova]

So if there was a dictatorship that was set up that people joined voluntarily, you'd be fine with it?

If everyone joined it voluntarily, then yeah. I'm fine with commie communes for example.

Indeed. Not very democratic of you, Hippo. Democracy means giving people the right to think and take part in government. You're essentially saying that everybody who isn't a conservative is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to have their oppinions. Even though democracy aspires to be socialism and socialism aspires to be communism.

Feel free to take part in government, just don't start enacting laws which violate the rights and freedoms of minorities. That's what commies and other leftists usually do.

According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.