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Postby Moneyhungerious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:13 am

Hippo, you really want to give the government all that kind of overreaching power over our lives?

Ban Alcohol & drugs: Ok, we've seen what that does, humans will reject the prohibition and bring those economies underground. Leads to "organizations" to protect/guarentee profits from it, by govt definition Organized crime, creates and perpetuates violence. Where as if they were legalized & regulated, local govt oversight would be able to protect the businesses that sold these mind altering substances, AS WELL AS protect the consumers, and the law would still be a check to them if they were unable to enjoy these things responsibly.

People have been enjoying "drugs" and alcohol since the beginning of civilization, who is government to all of the sudden dictate that "THIS IS WRONG AND BAD?" And it is an absolute double standard, because the pharmaceutical industry has done more than just about anyone to increase rates of drug addiction through their synthetic heroin in the form of Hydrocodon and Oxycodon, the war on drugs is a pathetic hypocrisy, and only continues because of corrupt money's influence on government.

Ban weapons: Worst idea ever, the power and right of the individual to defend their own life is and should be a central tenet in all of government. A ban on weapons, especially firearms, would completely neuter the people of any real method to counter government oppression, and as the nature of power is to take more power the government would likely become far worse.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:15 am

Hippostania wrote:Then it must be a coincidence that every single person who I've met who doesn't drink alcohol is 200% smarter than any person I know who drinks alcohol.

Or maybe that all of your acquaintacies share an abysmally low IQ. Who knows.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:15 am

Maybe Hippo wants the ban drinking so he can make a profit by selling it illegally. :lol:
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Postby Moneyhungerious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:25 am

Hippo, you aren't even worth talking to. It just isnt worth trying.

All i can say is wow, some people are just deluded as hell. Glad i never took out my brain and threw it in the washing machine.

And the funniest thing, your comment about "All your friends who don't drink are 200% smarter than people who do." was hilarious, I dont know how you define 'smart' but i have been a drinker since i was 15 (10years) and i have also responsibly enjoyed a good share of illegal recreational drugs. And from the style of your arguments, as well as your stubbornness, and refusal to compromise. I am very much led to believe that i am quiiiiiiiiite a bit smarter than you.

Now this is purely an assertion, as i have never met you or given you any sort of intelligence test, also this is the internet so it could all be an act as a form of trolling. But i wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people on here agreed with my assertion.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:28 am

Chinese Regions wrote:Maybe Hippo wants the ban drinking so he can make a profit by selling it illegally. :lol:


Hey, gangsters ARE cool.

And, in the absence of a regular market, a black market is equally feasible, if not more so, if you can hold a monopoly.

He could theoretically make millions. But, hey, capitalisums and all that.

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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:30 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Maybe Hippo wants the ban drinking so he can make a profit by selling it illegally. :lol:


Hey, gangsters ARE cool.

And, in the absence of a regular market, a black market is equally feasible, if not more so, if you can hold a monopoly.

He could theoretically make millions. But, hey, capitalisums and all that.


Not a problem, Hippo loves the free market and despises regulations. *nods*
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:30 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Maybe Hippo wants the ban drinking so he can make a profit by selling it illegally. :lol:


Hey, gangsters ARE cool.

And, in the absence of a regular market, a black market is equally feasible, if not more so, if you can hold a monopoly.

He could theoretically make millions. But, hey, capitalisums and all that.

Well, technically black market is a market formed by voluntary businessmen who wish to distribute goods according to price. Sometimes I wonder if free market supporters support black market.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:31 am

Tuthina wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Hey, gangsters ARE cool.

And, in the absence of a regular market, a black market is equally feasible, if not more so, if you can hold a monopoly.

He could theoretically make millions. But, hey, capitalisums and all that.

Well, technically black market is a market formed by voluntary businessmen who wish to distribute goods according to price. Sometimes I wonder if free market supporters support black market.


Well, OBVIOUSLY, they can't support those bad criminal people.

But you can support an "ENTREPRENEUR".

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Postby Zwitterjiund » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:33 am

I dislike democracy, I don't like the idea of the people having control of how they are governed. If I were supreme overlord of Earth everyone would have a much better lifestyle.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:36 am

Zwitterjiund wrote:I dislike democracy, I don't like the idea of the people having control of how they are governed. If I were supreme overlord of Earth everyone would have a much better lifestyle.


Apapap, seat's taken.

I for, one, welcome our new metal faced overlord.

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Postby Vigilantes And Knights » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:39 am

Considering King Arthur was a monarch and while he lived there was a unified peace in the nation, I think it's safe to think you don't NEED democracy as a good form of government. Just a good leader. Democracy is good because it allows the ppl to choose which leader would be best for the job and has only the ppls interests. With that said, I've also taken notice that our most recent American Presidents have not been "the best for the job." That includes Bush AND Obama.

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Postby Naposicilia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:40 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Maybe Hippo wants the ban drinking so he can make a profit by selling it illegally. :lol:


Hey, gangsters ARE cool.

And, in the absence of a regular market, a black market is equally feasible, if not more so, if you can hold a monopoly.

He could theoretically make millions. But, hey, capitalisums and all that.


Mobsters are, infact, a company.
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Postby The IASM » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:41 am

No and no it is just that most dictators/ monarchs were greedy and corrupt which shaped the general image of then due to DAMN stereotypes
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Postby Nauridesia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:42 am

Yes and no.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:43 am

No. Democracy is an appalling system. It just so happens that every other system is much worse.
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Postby Moneyhungerious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:44 am

Vigilantes And Knights wrote:Considering King Arthur was a monarch and while he lived there was a unified peace in the nation, I think it's safe to think you don't NEED democracy as a good form of government. Just a good leader. Democracy is good because it allows the ppl to choose which leader would be best for the job and has only the ppls interests. With that said, I've also taken notice that our most recent American Presidents have not been "the best for the job." That includes Bush AND Obama.


That is true, any form of government has the potential to be good, fair and in the best interest of the people.

However as you pointed out about America, and it is true with all forms of government, is that they are corruptible, and that is always the danger you face.

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Postby Tuthina » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:47 am

Moneyhungerious wrote:
Vigilantes And Knights wrote:Considering King Arthur was a monarch and while he lived there was a unified peace in the nation, I think it's safe to think you don't NEED democracy as a good form of government. Just a good leader. Democracy is good because it allows the ppl to choose which leader would be best for the job and has only the ppls interests. With that said, I've also taken notice that our most recent American Presidents have not been "the best for the job." That includes Bush AND Obama.


That is true, any form of government has the potential to be good, fair and in the best interest of the people.

However as you pointed out about America, and it is true with all forms of government, is that they are corruptible, and that is always the danger you face.

Arguably the merit of a (representative) democracy is that people can vote out government that sucks. Too bad most people do not have the leisure to actually monitor the government or the representatives.
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Postby Moneyhungerious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:52 am

Well this kind of confirms why i haven't bothered to post on here, despite mentioning some worthwhile thought provoking points my posts have largely been ignored.

Oh well, was a fairly interesting discussion to watch.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:05 am

Salandriagado wrote:No. Democracy is an appalling system. It just so happens that every other system is much worse.

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Postby Tropical Isles » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:09 am

no, it is not the only good form of government. monarchy is also good.
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Postby Enfaru » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:09 am

Kalkutium wrote:If you think so is it right to instill democracy on nations by force.


No, democracy is not the only good form of government. Everything has it's advantages and disadvantages. I just like the advantages of Democracy more than most others.

Monarchism is highly efficient for instance and anarchism is the lack of government which is technically, ultimate freedom.

I'm not keen on republicanism or representative democracy because I think it's inherently flawed. It's very advantages are flaws.
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Postby Arbites » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:11 am

Hippostania wrote:Democracy is a good form of government as long as the citizens are educated and use it to achieve freedom. However, if people use democracy to elect fascist or leftist parties power which oppress the population, then it doesn't work. This is why liberal democracy works in countries like the US and the UK, but doesn't work in countries like Russia or Venezuela that should have an appointed parliament.

If the people can't choose who to vote for, then it's not democracy.
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Postby Neo Arcem » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:21 am

Moneyhungerious wrote:Well this kind of confirms why i haven't bothered to post on here, despite mentioning some worthwhile thought provoking points my posts have largely been ignored.

Oh well, was a fairly interesting discussion to watch.


No, no, not really. For some, what, 3 hours all this has been is a BBQ party serving hippo flank. Which, incidentally, is a problem with democracy. The people, united, are a mob.
Pity that it deviated so quickly from democracy, but hey, it's kind of expected.
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Postby Kemaliste » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:40 am

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