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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:48 am

Cruciland wrote:"Is democracy the only good form?" Quite the opposite, in my opinion.

"Should we enforce it on others?" Screw you, that's like forcing rat poison down my throat.

Rat poison...? Sorry, that's just a weird choice of words IMO.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:49 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Cruciland wrote:"Is democracy the only good form?" Quite the opposite, in my opinion.

"Should we enforce it on others?" Screw you, that's like forcing rat poison down my throat.

Rat poison...? Sorry, that's just a weird choice of words IMO.


If I were also a fascist, I would have gone with the classic "Stick My Dick In An Electrical Socket".

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Postby Hippostania » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:52 am

Volnotova wrote:According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.

Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:53 am

Hippostania wrote:
Volnotova wrote:According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.

Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


No it doesn't. The idiots who get drunk and drive, get drunk and shoot guns, get drunk and fuck bitches, etc. etc. etc. are the ones that violate the rights and freedoms of others.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:54 am

Hippostania wrote:
Volnotova wrote:According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.

Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no
reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


Celibacy can cause sexual frustration which can increase the likelihood of molesting Children. *nods*

Cars can cause death and destruction too.

Guns can cause death and destruction too.

You hate freedom unless it suits you.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:54 am

Hippostania wrote:Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction,


Counterexample: I drink alcohol and so far I haven't killed people.

Hence your argument is invalid.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:54 am

Hippostania wrote:
Volnotova wrote:According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.

Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

EDIT: Someone else made my point while I was typing. I thought ninjas were exclusive to F7 and FNA. I WAS WRONG!
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:55 am

Mavorpen wrote:
No it doesn't. The idiots who get drunk and drive, get drunk and shoot guns, get drunk and fuck bitches, etc. etc. etc. are the ones that violate the rights and freedoms of others.

Those idiots wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for alcohol. Alcohol has absolutely no benefits, it only causes death and destruction. Sure, some alcoholics might be sad if alcohol was banned, but thousands of lives would be saved every year.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:55 am

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Hippostania wrote:Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no
reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


Celibacy can cause sexual frustration which can increase the likelihood of molesting Children. *nods*

Cars can cause death and destruction too.

Guns can cause death and destruction too.

You hate freedom unless it suits you.

Also, restricting what two people can trade freely is form of communism!
Hippo, why do you hate capitalism?


Hippostania wrote:Those idiots wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for alcohol. Alcohol has absolutely no benefits, it only causes death and destruction. Sure, some alcoholics might be sad if alcohol was banned, but thousands of lives would be saved every year.

If everyone was locked up, no crime would occur, saving thousands of lives every year.
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Postby Divair » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:55 am

Hippostania wrote:
Volnotova wrote:According to you one should not have the freedom to enjoy alcohol and other drugs in the privacy of their homes.

I believe we are done here.

Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.

So do knives. Should we ban knives? And forks?

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Postby Hippostania » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:55 am

Zottistan wrote:Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:55 am

Zottistan wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?


More children die swimming than by guns. THE OCEAN SHOULD BE BANNED!
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:56 am

Hippostania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.

Cars aren't necessary, as proven by everyone who lived before 1890 iirc.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:56 am

Hippostania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.


No they aren't. They're just really helpful.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:56 am

Stop making fake quotes.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:56 am

Hippostania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.


Why is alcohol not necessary? To some it is.

And because you are such a freedom loving and democratic individual you will still allow for it even when you disagree with it, only outlawing it if the majority of the people decide to do so because you are at heart a democratic person that would never wish to violate public opinion for your good.

Give me a break...
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Postby Moneyhungerious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:57 am

Neoconservatism is garbage, as is corporate welfare, neo-con bullshit wars and military industrial complex spending, and their authoritarian moralistic policies. Neoconservatism is simply another guise of authoritarian socialism, a police state by a different name is still a police state.

I bet hippo is going to vote for Mittens Romney in November. Doesn't matter though, because barring A Ron Paul election miracle, either Obama or Romney will take us to Iran within the next four years and start a massive conflict involving Russia and China. Too bad that its fools like hippo that can't cut through the BS and see the sham of "American Democracy" who are electing these awful mouthpieces as "kings of america"

Honestly, Election culture in the U.S. mirrors celebrity culture B.S. more than it reflects actual statesmanship. Truly sickening.

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Stop making fake quotes.
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:57 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.

Do you support gun control?

He does, if memory serves.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:57 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Zottistan wrote:
Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?


More children die swimming than by guns. THE OCEAN SHOULD BE BANNED!


Swimming pools are unnecessary and dangerous, they should be banned. There is no reason for swimming pools other than for personal pleasure.
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Postby Hippostania » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:58 am

Risottia wrote:
Hippostania wrote:All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.

Cars aren't necessary, as proven by everyone who lived before 1890 iirc.

They are necessary to maintain our current standard of life. Alcohol is not.

Volnotova wrote:Swimming pools are unnecessary and dangerous, they should be banned. There is no reason for swimming pools other than for personal pleasure.

People can drown in swimming pools, but if they drown, it was their own decision to swim in the swimming pool. They acknowledged the risks when they entered the pool. However, alcohol also kills thousands of innocent people every year.
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:59 am

Hippostania wrote:
Risottia wrote:Cars aren't necessary, as proven by everyone who lived before 1890 iirc.

They are necessary to maintain our current standard of life. Alcohol is not.

You mean pleasure is not part of standard of life?
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Hippostania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

All those things are necessary, alcohol is not.


Alcoholic beverages are an important part of many meals, and I'm pretty sure they're a huge part of many economies.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:59 am

Zottistan wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Yes, because it violates the rights and freedoms of others. Alcohol causes violence, death and destruction, and there is absolutely no reason to keep a dangerous substance like that legal.


Cars cause death. Would you outlaw cars? High buildings and rope increase suicide risks. Would you outlaw high buildings and rope? Knives increase the risk of death and murder. Would you outlaw the private use of knives?

EDIT: Someone else made my point while I was typing. I thought ninjas were exclusive to F7 and FNA. I WAS WRONG!

They have gotten quite prolific in II, also.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:59 am

Hippostania wrote:
Risottia wrote:Cars aren't necessary, as proven by everyone who lived before 1890 iirc.

They are necessary to maintain our current standard of life. Alcohol is not.


Swimming pool's aren't necessary either.

On the other hand, you are quite fond on killing innocent civilians and would love to see China, Iran and Russia go up in a nuclear holocaust.
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