Huge misconception about homosexuality

[1000 Cats]

Homophobes obsessed with homosexuals... paedophobes obsessed with children and paedophiles... are you seeing the pattern too here?

Pedophobia means fear of children, not fear of pedophiles. Being afraid of potential criminals is normal and doesn't have a special word.

Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
GLAAD: Formed 1987
Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease in 1973
Critical mathematics fail my friend.

Then why did they declassify it?

Being afraid of pedophiles actually is irrational, unless you're a child. Pedophiles are among the least likely people to rape you.

They declassified homosexuality because it does not typically directly cause distress or harm to oneself or others.

For the record, I don't like the ICD-10, because it's not specifically a mental health manual. Particularly when looking at sexual disorders, you're best to go with the DSM IV-TR, although in both cases (the DSM first) homosexuality is not classified.

[Liriena]

Don't worry. I think of the children all the time (but not THAT way), and I firmly believe that children are sacred (therefor: no sex with them, and no using them for political gain, and keep them naïve and idealistic as long as possible).
And while I gladly believe NAMBLA has every right to say whatever sick stuff they want to, they'll never get my support.

The thing I find disturbing about most paedophiles is not the fact that they are attracted to children.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

I have only once in my life heard of and seen a girl talk about how she was aroused when older men touched her when she was a kid.

And let me also tell you that same girl had serious mental problems and was a sex addict.

Well, even then, it's not unheard off for sexual abuse victims to become aroused. Even children. But arousal doesn't make it right.

[Volnotova]

Then why did they declassify it?

Because the consensus of the scientific community was/is that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that homosexuality is a disorder. That was an easy one.

I am against labelling any fetish or philia as a mental disorder, in the end it seems rather politically motivated to do so.

That said, active and early gene-therapy and genetic modification might be a way to fix otherwise deviant lifestyles from an early age(see paedophilia, coprophilia, necrophilia, etc.).

There are determining genetic factors when it comes to the development of one's sexual preferences, including homosexuality.

[Volnotova]

The thing I find disturbing about most paedophiles is not the fact that they are attracted to children.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

I have only once in my life heard of and seen a girl talk about how she was aroused when older men touched her when she was a kid.

And let me also tell you that same girl had serious mental problems and was a sex addict.

Well, even then, it's not unheard off for sexual abuse victims to become aroused. Even children. But arousal doesn't make it right.

Uhhh...

Sauce?

[Raeyh]

Being afraid of pedophiles actually is irrational, unless you're a child. Pedophiles are among the least likely people to rape you.

Cute, but people are expected to be responsible for children. So if something hurts a child, it hurts that child's guardian.

They declassified homosexuality because it does not typically directly cause distress or harm to oneself or others.

It does cause distress, though. Otherwise people wouldn't have trouble coming out of the closet.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

That really applies to anyone. You don't hear people say, "I could go after that woman, but by doing so, I will cause her to fall in social status and therefore it would be bad. So I'll pass." Love makes people do (and think) crazy things.

[1000 Cats]

Don't worry. I think of the children all the time (but not THAT way), and I firmly believe that children are sacred (therefor: no sex with them, and no using them for political gain, and keep them naïve and idealistic as long as possible).
And while I gladly believe NAMBLA has every right to say whatever sick stuff they want to, they'll never get my support.

The thing I find disturbing about most paedophiles is not the fact that they are attracted to children.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

They usually don't; the case is typically that it's a one-time thing, and although the phrase, "he/she was asking for it," is common, it's not something that is strongly held to. Indeed, the vast majority of pedophiles acknowledge that sexual interactions of any sort with a child are harmful, and usually a crime is a case of lost control over a period. This is supported by the fact that recidivism among convicted child sex offenders is quite low compared to other crimes.

[The Pink Followers]

It does cause distress, though. Otherwise people wouldn't have trouble coming out of the closet.

Distress comes from the societal pressures to remain in the closet, not any inherent distress from homosexuality itself.

[Raeyh]

It does cause distress, though. Otherwise people wouldn't have trouble coming out of the closet.

Distress comes from the societal pressures to remain in the closet, not any inherent distress from homosexuality itself.

You can't divorce society from it. Society is all around us and inescapable. Really, everything we do is based on how society would approve or disprove of the action.

[1000 Cats]

Being afraid of pedophiles actually is irrational, unless you're a child. Pedophiles are among the least likely people to rape you.

Cute, but people are expected to be responsible for children. So if something hurts a child, it hurts that child's guardian.

Not everyone is a guardian.

They declassified homosexuality because it does not typically directly cause distress or harm to oneself or others.

It does cause distress, though. Otherwise people wouldn't have trouble coming out of the closet.

That is distress caused by society, not by the sexual orientation itself.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

That really applies to anyone. You don't hear people say, "I could go after that woman, but by doing so, I will cause her to fall in social status and therefore it would be bad. So I'll pass." Love makes people do (and think) crazy things.

Yes, it does. Given pedophiles' response to being arrested and forever removed from their victims, though, I don't think love factors in here. If two people who are in love are forcibly separated for an extended period, there is usually a very strong emotional reaction. Pedophiles do not generally experience this.

[Liriena]

Well, even then, it's not unheard off for sexual abuse victims to become aroused. Even children. But arousal doesn't make it right.

Uhhh...

Sauce?

None in particular, but lots and lots of Google. And a little too much of L&O SVU

[1000 Cats]

Distress comes from the societal pressures to remain in the closet, not any inherent distress from homosexuality itself.

You can't divorce society from it. Society is all around us and inescapable. Really, everything we do is based on how society would approve or disprove of the action.

Yes, you can, because if society changes, there is no longer a problem, whereas when it comes to private things, like masochism or urophilia, or intrinsically harmful things like pedophilia, there is or can be personal distress that is divorced from societal pressures.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Uhhh...

Sauce?

None in particular, but lots and lots of Google. And a little too much of L&O SVU

The confusion was about you saying that children get aroused.

[Northern Dominus]

Distress comes from the societal pressures to remain in the closet, not any inherent distress from homosexuality itself.

You can't divorce society from it. Society is all around us and inescapable. Really, everything we do is based on how society would approve or disprove of the action.

Except year by year, decade by decade LGBT status has become more and more normal in the United States. Just like certain racial biases there will be minority fringe groups who have a problem with it, but the strides made since the 1980s (and the Reagan's blatant ignoring of the AIDS crisis) have been remarkable and far-reaching. It's a fallacy and incredibly pessimistic to think that this stigmatization of LGBT individuals will persist to the degree it does today.

[1000 Cats]

Well, even then, it's not unheard off for sexual abuse victims to become aroused. Even children. But arousal doesn't make it right.

Uhhh...

Sauce?

Children are able to become physically aroused, but they do not actually have sexual thoughts. Source is, my own incredible memory and some sources I can't find at the moment but it can even occur in infancy, not uncommonly.

[Raeyh]

Not everyone is a guardian.

Everyone is society is expected to be vigilant. So even if you aren't a legal guardian, you are still sort of a guardian in a way.

That is distress caused by society, not by the sexual orientation itself.

We can't get rid of society, though, so you have to blame homosexuality.

Yes, it does. Given pedophiles' response to being arrested and forever removed from their victims, though, I don't think love factors in here. If two people who are in love are forcibly separated for an extended period, there is usually a very strong emotional reaction. Pedophiles do not generally experience this.

That's because most people in jail stay in touch, while child abuse criminals tend to cut off from their victims. It's no wonder why they would fall out of love.

[Dei Gentem]

What can I say other than that it is a sad reflection on humanity that people think homosexuality(yes that includes lesbianism) is normal even though it is obviously a perversion and a sick one too like pedophilia, necrophilia, and zoophilia. It is a fact that violence and even murder and rape much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community. It is also fact that they are more sexually promiscuous and much more likely to carry stds. I think that it is time for the misconception that homosexuality(and lesbianism) is okay to come to an end. And here are just a few of my sources.

EDIT: As for those that same homosexuality is normal because some animals do it. Well rape, cannibalism, and murder have witnessed among animals as well. Should we accept those as normal too and legalize those things as well?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msm ... lease.html

http://www.narth.com/docs/domestic.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291357

Although i am Bisexual (leaning towards guys), i agree completely if i could choose to be 100% straight i would but i cant but being physically attracted to guys, but i dont like it (maybe a little)

[Liriena]

None in particular, but lots and lots of Google. And a little too much of L&O SVU

The confusion was about you saying that children get aroused.

I realize that. But I can't quote any particular sauce right now...so, just so I don't screw all this up, let's agree that my comment should be taken with a huge grain of salt (or two) for the time being.

[The Pink Followers]

Distress comes from the societal pressures to remain in the closet, not any inherent distress from homosexuality itself.

You can't divorce society from it. Society is all around us and inescapable. Really, everything we do is based on how society would approve or disprove of the action.

And? This does not mean that homosexuality causes distress, nor should we ever claim it does simply because society factors in.

[The Merchant Republics]

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So...if he won't stop evil (even evil acts committed by his own religion), doesn't interact with the world at all, and still supposedly regrets that some humans are evil, why bother with all the worship business?

I didn't say he doesn't interact with the world. He does, In the Bible it was usually only to protect his chosen people. And then to send Christ. Little Miracles.

Like a father. He doesn't stop us from making our own decisions but he guides us towards his plan. Like a Shepard, He will bring us back to the path he desires, but we have the choice to stray.

No one should worship God to make change in the world, He may act, but he may not he has a plan that any change must be accommodated to, instead one should worship God to make changes to themselves. Worship is not rewarded in life as Job, as many other prophets demonstrate, but in the hereafter.

[Moon Cows]

Except year by year, decade by decade LGBT status has become more and more normal in the United States. Just like certain racial biases there will be minority fringe groups who have a problem with it, but the strides made since the 1980s (and the Reagan's blatant ignoring of the AIDS crisis) have been remarkable and far-reaching. It's a fallacy and incredibly pessimistic to think that this stigmatization of LGBT individuals will persist to the degree it does today.

One of the things I cannot stand about the homosexual/LGBTasdfghjkl; agenda is the fact that they constantly compare it to racial prejudices. Sexual perversions and your heritage are two different things. I'm not quite certain if you know this, but social conservatism is not going away. As long as there are homosexuals, there will be the good people that oppose them. (And other morally questionable sins of lust.)

[Raeyh]

You can't divorce society from it. Society is all around us and inescapable. Really, everything we do is based on how society would approve or disprove of the action.

And? This does not mean that homosexuality causes distress, nor should we ever claim it does simply because society factors in.

People are distressed from being homosexual. What more proof do you need?

[Nova Pacifica]

[... massive snippage ...]

There is only one possible response to what you have said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCb3bgUozh4

[Northern Dominus]

Although i am Bisexual (leaning towards guys), i agree completely if i could choose to be 100% straight i would but i cant but being physically attracted to guys, but i dont like it (maybe a little)

First things first, never never EVER be afraid to be who you are, desire who you desire, that's part of you and nobody and no institution has the right to tell you otherwise or say that it's a bad thing.

Secondly, you make the point pefectly. If it were a choice you'd chose to quit being attracted to men because it would make things easier. However, the fact that you can't just "switch it off" means that there's more to human sexual orientation than just the banally simplified "choice" thing.

[1000 Cats]

Not everyone is a guardian.

Everyone is society is expected to be vigilant. So even if you aren't a legal guardian, you are still sort of a guardian in a way.

We're also supposed to be vigilant of car accidents, but an intense fear of vehicles is not normal.

That is distress caused by society, not by the sexual orientation itself.

We can't get rid of society, though, so you have to blame homosexuality.

We can get rid of society's issues with homosexuality. Seriously, the WHO and the APA do not and cannot identify everything that you think is fucked up as a mental disorder. It's your social problem.

Yes, it does. Given pedophiles' response to being arrested and forever removed from their victims, though, I don't think love factors in here. If two people who are in love are forcibly separated for an extended period, there is usually a very strong emotional reaction. Pedophiles do not generally experience this.

That's because most people in jail stay in touch, while child abuse criminals tend to cut off from their victims. It's no wonder why they would fall out of love.

For one thing, I'm talking about people who are entirely separated from their lovers, ie through death, family ostracization, whatever. For another, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you stay in touch with the people you love, you are less likely to experience illness for them. That's why they allow prisoners visitors in the first place.

[Avalar]

Although i am Bisexual (leaning towards guys), i agree completely if i could choose to be 100% straight i would but i cant but being physically attracted to guys, but i dont like it (maybe a little)

First things first, never never EVER be afraid to be who you are, desire who you desire, that's part of you and nobody and no institution has the right to tell you otherwise or say that it's a bad thing.

Secondly, you make the point pefectly. If it were a choice you'd chose to quit being attracted to men because it would make things easier. However, the fact that you can't just "switch it off" means that there's more to human sexual orientation than just the banally simplified "choice" thing.

Hear, Hear!!