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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:26 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:The problem with calling God cruel is that it requires one maintaining that there is an objective morality which is not from God.


Might be a language barrier here, I am used to using cruelty in the non-moralist sense of the word. As in it simply showing and feeling indifference to or taking pleasure(shadenfreude) in the (inflicting of) suffering of(/unto) others.

Suffering being defined as the experience of unpleasant stimuli(What most would call pain, depression, shame, etc.).

That said, it's certain this is not the world God wanted, I don't think this proves that God isn't all-powerful, all-knowing or all-seeing, merely that he made decisions that he regrets. He knew He must do them, but He regrets.


How can God make regrettable decisions? Seems rather moot if he is omniscient.

To me God has shown a clear indifference to suffering(not always, but enough to the point where it becomes noticeable) and an inclination towards inflicting unbearable suffering.

Remember that the God of the Bible considers humanity to be his children. His actions in flood roughly represent God killing his own children because they were evil. Yet it's clear He regrets needing to do that. The crux however is that His regret is not a regret for His failure, but a regret for ours. We are the one's who became evil, launched the Crusades, started the Holocaust, enslaved the Jews, and more. He regrets needing to discipline us, but he doesn't regret infusing us with the spirit to rebel against him.


If God is still omniscient than it(I prefer using it over he/she) could have foreseen and actively prevented the holocaust and the holodomor from ever occurring.

Yet God did not stop them.

You can make no mistake that God wept over the Holocaust, but did He do anything to stop it from happening? No, because He doesn't want to control us, He wants us to be family, not merely servants and puppets like the Angel.


Where does free will come from(If that is what you are insinuating us of having)?

Consider the prodigal son, God doesn't stop His children from leaving his grace, but He knows that away from Him is evil. He will not stop them from rebelling, but He welcomes us back when we have realized our follies.


Where does evil come from?
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:26 pm

Cu Math wrote:Like who?? Who honestly has both that power and that tendency?


GLAAD

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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:27 pm

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Sorry, but unfortunately, the internets are filled to the brim with people that piss you off. Ask any common youtuber.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:28 pm

SaintB wrote:Can someone please post a topic in General that doesn't piss me off?

Nooooo! The instant somebody does that the world will come to an end!
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Postby Jutium » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:29 pm

At least have the honesty to say that it is YOU that hates homosexuals and don't try to shift the blame to the bible/Christ/Xians. Take responsibility for yourself, or are you so unsure of your own sexuality that you need a prop???

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:29 pm

SaintB wrote:Can someone please post a topic in General that doesn't piss me off?

As the legends tell it, there was once a topic on NSG which pissed off no one. No one knows when that was, for it was lost in the great cleansing.
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Postby Cu Math » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:30 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Like who?? Who honestly has both that power and that tendency?


GLAAD

Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Jutium wrote:At least have the honesty to say that it is YOU that hates homosexuals and don't try to shift the blame to the bible/Christ/Xians. Take responsibility for yourself, or are you so unsure of your own sexuality that you need a prop???


/\ this, so fucking much.

You took the thoughts out of my heads and expressed them perfectly!
:hug:

If this wasn't a child-friendly area, I'd award you with a handjob. But since I care about the children and decor...
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Postby Bengera » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Really?
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
GLAAD

Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
GLAAD: Formed 1987
Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease in 1973
Critical mathematics fail my friend.


Not to mention that it seems to have been conveniently omitted that conservative interest groups, as it turns out, exist. I could just as readily turn around and say that it was their influence that led to homosexuality's classification as a disorder in the first place.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
GLAAD

Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
GLAAD: Formed 1987
Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease in 1973
Critical mathematics fail my friend.

Plus he neglects to mention the influence of groups like the Family Research Council who are hate groups who clad themselves in the non-existent robe of family values.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:34 pm

Bengera wrote:Really?


Yep.
Here, have some popcorn, and enjoy the show.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:35 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jutium wrote:At least have the honesty to say that it is YOU that hates homosexuals and don't try to shift the blame to the bible/Christ/Xians. Take responsibility for yourself, or are you so unsure of your own sexuality that you need a prop???


/\ this, so fucking much.

You took the thoughts out of my heads and expressed them perfectly!
:hug:

If this wasn't a child-friendly area, I'd award you with a handjob. But since I care about the children and decor...

Something tells me your hands are rubbing the line a bit too close. Be careful, you don't want to go over the edge.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:35 pm

Liriena wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
But

Think

of

The

Children!!! :o


Sorry, my friend, but I'd rather give them over to NAMBLA :D


Uhhh... :?

Northern Dominus wrote:
Volnotova wrote:But

Think

of

The

Children!!! :o

Right, because when I want to go satisfy that particular carnal urge what I REALLY want is an audience of little peering eyes, and the dog and cat just don't cut it anymore.


Maybe they too find the voyeurism arousing. :lol:

Arbites wrote:So...if he won't stop evil (even evil acts committed by his own religion), doesn't interact with the world at all, and still supposedly regrets that some humans are evil, why bother with all the worship business?


Who says evil even exists? And even from a pantheist perspective a God that operates on the principles of "You can do no wrong and if you prevail you have my support" certainly does have its appeal. 8)

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Volnotova wrote:But

Think

of

The

Children!!! :o

I'm not a paedophile. I'd prefer not to think about the children.


Yet somehow that is the argument many moralists have against paedophilia. :eyebrow:

Homophobes obsessed with homosexuals... paedophobes obsessed with children and paedophiles... are you seeing the pattern too here?
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
GLAAD: Formed 1987
Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease in 1973
Critical mathematics fail my friend.

Plus he neglects to mention the influence of groups like the Family Research Council who are hate groups who clad themselves in the non-existent robe of family values.


Seriously...nothing pisses me off more than hate groups using such wonderful words as "family" to excuse their agenda.
Well, that, and those who say: "Oh no! We don't hate gays, or want to take away their rights! We just think that they can't be equated to us (alleged) heterosexuals, 'cause we think they are totally sick and amoral, and a threat to civilization."
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:37 pm

Volnotova wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Right, because when I want to go satisfy that particular carnal urge what I REALLY want is an audience of little peering eyes, and the dog and cat just don't cut it anymore.


Maybe they too find the voyeurism arousing. :lol:?

Right...wait, they too?....if I find a webcam pointed at anything in the house I know who to go to first now...
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:38 pm

Condunum wrote:
Liriena wrote:
/\ this, so fucking much.

You took the thoughts out of my heads and expressed them perfectly!
:hug:

If this wasn't a child-friendly area, I'd award you with a handjob. But since I care about the children and decor...

Something tells me your hands are rubbing the line a bit too close. Be careful, you don't want to go over the edge.


Yep. I'll cut it out now, before it becomes overly gross and disturbing to all of us.
From now on, only PG jokes involving ponies.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:38 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Plus he neglects to mention the influence of groups like the Family Research Council who are hate groups who clad themselves in the non-existent robe of family values.


Seriously...nothing pisses me off more than hate groups using such wonderful words as "family" to excuse their agenda.
Well, that, and those who say: "Oh no! We don't hate gays, or want to take away their rights! We just think that they can't be equated to us (alleged) heterosexuals, 'cause we think they are totally sick and amoral, and a threat to civilization."

I keep telling my LGBT friends, if they want to have a gay barbarian party in front of those fools at any time, count me in.
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:39 pm

Homophobes obsessed with homosexuals... paedophobes obsessed with children and paedophiles... are you seeing the pattern too here?


Pedophobia means fear of children, not fear of pedophiles. Being afraid of potential criminals is normal and doesn't have a special word.

Oh c'mon! At least try to find pseudo-credible postulates!
GLAAD: Formed 1987
Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease in 1973
Critical mathematics fail my friend.


Then why did they declassify it?

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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:40 pm

Volnotova wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Sorry, my friend, but I'd rather give them over to NAMBLA :D


Uhhh... :?


Don't worry. I think of the children all the time (but not THAT way), and I firmly believe that children are sacred (therefor: no sex with them, and no using them for political gain, and keep them naïve and idealistic as long as possible).
And while I gladly believe NAMBLA has every right to say whatever sick stuff they want to, they'll never get my support.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:42 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Homophobes obsessed with homosexuals... paedophobes obsessed with children and paedophiles... are you seeing the pattern too here?


Pedophobia means fear of children, not fear of pedophiles. Being afraid of potential criminals is normal and doesn't have a special word.


Next time I will apply thicker sarcasm, so you can easily scrape it off with a butterknife. ;)
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm

Raeyh wrote:Then why did they declassify it?


Because the consensus of the scientific community was/is that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that homosexuality is a disorder. That was an easy one.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm

Raeyh wrote:Then why did they declassify it?

Because it was eventually found not to be a disease.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
Uhhh... :?


Don't worry. I think of the children all the time (but not THAT way), and I firmly believe that children are sacred (therefor: no sex with them, and no using them for political gain, and keep them naïve and idealistic as long as possible).
And while I gladly believe NAMBLA has every right to say whatever sick stuff they want to, they'll never get my support.


The thing I find disturbing about most paedophiles is not the fact that they are attracted to children.

It is the fact that they believe this... uhhh... "love"(read: lust) is somehow mutual and beneficial to the child(ren).

I have only once in my life heard of and seen a girl talk about how she was aroused when older men touched her when she was a kid.

And let me also tell you that same girl had serious mental problems and was a sex addict. ;)
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:46 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Raeyh wrote:Then why did they declassify it?

Because it was eventually found not to be a disease.

Plus it wasn't a symptom of pedophilia, which was the stigma associated with it for so long
Case in point
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