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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:39 pm

Nidaria wrote:
The Pink Followers wrote:When homosexuals pose a threat to anyone but themselves--an idea that is false nonetheless--you may ban it. Until then, kindly stop oppressing me due to your idiotic stance on morality and perversion.

In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

Even though the only morals they threaten are your archaic, backwards morals.
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Postby The Pink Followers » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:39 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:Even if the study that proposes that homosexual relationships have greater rates of violence and abuse than heterosexual relationships is indeed credible. I don't understand how that supports the idea that homosexuality should be illegal.

Being married to a police officer or soldier also carries a greater risk of domestic abuse, and yet, should marriage to a cop be illegal?

As a Christian (not despite of it), it is my strong belief that homosexuals must be accepted into society. Indeed, I think this study only supports that idea. A more open homosexual community would allow for greater visibility of domestic abuse. I even support gay marriage, though I don't consider it a true marriage ordained by God, I would prefer that people put commitment over simple lust, whomever their partners may be.

It is a highly good thing that no one need go through your claim of god to get married, then, huh?
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:40 pm

Nidaria wrote:
The Pink Followers wrote:When homosexuals pose a threat to anyone but themselves--an idea that is false nonetheless--you may ban it. Until then, kindly stop oppressing me due to your idiotic stance on morality and perversion.

In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.


I'm sorry to differ, but I consider poverty, corruption and war to be graver threats to the morals of the western world than two men or two women falling in love and spending a lifetime together as they raise a family.

Also, you claim that those against homosexuality are a mayority in the western world...yeah...NO. In fact, those against homosexuality are becoming an increasingly small minority (I give you exhibits A and B: Canada and Sweden)
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:40 pm

The Waiting Fox wrote:I don't get it. If homosexusality isn't a choice, and was proven as such, how can one have anything against it? It the same kind of hate that goes against people of a different color, you cant be against people for something they can never change, it's irrational and wrong.

Oh, and even if it is a choice, and it isn't, it's non of anyone's god-damned business what people decide to do with their bodies, and I'd be seriously pissed if I was gay and people would try to 'fix' me and show me the 'right path'.


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Postby Brodskopolis » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:42 pm

Nidaria wrote:
The Pink Followers wrote:When homosexuals pose a threat to anyone but themselves--an idea that is false nonetheless--you may ban it. Until then, kindly stop oppressing me due to your idiotic stance on morality and perversion.

In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

Why is it so unbelievably evil to put a penis in an anus? Are anuses that much worse than vaginas?
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Postby The Pink Followers » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:42 pm

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Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.


I'm sorry to differ, but I consider poverty, corruption and war to be graver threats to the morals of the western world than two men or two women falling in love and spending a lifetime together as they raise a family.

Also, you claim that those against homosexuality are a mayority in the western world...yeah...NO. In fact, those against homosexuality are becoming an increasingly small minority (I give you exhibits A and B: Canada and Sweden)

Even in the United States, where support for LGBT rights broke the 50% mark in recent years.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:43 pm

Brodskopolis wrote:
Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

Why is it so unbelievably evil to put a penis in an anus? Are anuses that much worse than vaginas?

Unequivocally so.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:44 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The Waiting Fox wrote:I don't get it. If homosexusality isn't a choice, and was proven as such, how can one have anything against it? It the same kind of hate that goes against people of a different color, you cant be against people for something they can never change, it's irrational and wrong.

Oh, and even if it is a choice, and it isn't, it's non of anyone's god-damned business what people decide to do with their bodies, and I'd be seriously pissed if I was gay and people would try to 'fix' me and show me the 'right path'.


This, seriously.


I'm still trying to wrap my head around how, currently, the GOP (the mother of modern immoral conservativism) can bitch and moan about big government, and at the same time ask for the government to get into people's bedrooms just 'cause they either feel it's icky, or because their religion says so, and then cry for the loss of religious freedom.

Seriously, if I didn't know better, I'd think modern day American conservatives are schizophrenic.
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Postby Hallistar » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:45 pm

So if two gay men got married and remained faithful to each other or whatever, exactly who else would they be harming?

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Postby The Pink Followers » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:46 pm

Hallistar wrote:So if two gay men got married and remained faithful to each other or whatever, exactly who else would they be harming?

BESIDES THEMSELVES if you are of the opinion that homosexuality is inherently harmful to the participants, to clarify.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:48 pm

Hallistar wrote:So if two gay men got married and remained faithful to each other or whatever, exactly who else would they be harming?


THE CHILDREN!

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Postby Hallistar » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:49 pm

Nidaria wrote:
The Pink Followers wrote:When homosexuals pose a threat to anyone but themselves--an idea that is false nonetheless--you may ban it. Until then, kindly stop oppressing me due to your idiotic stance on morality and perversion.

In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.


We understand that morality is arbitrary and subjective. We also understand that it is based off of controversial ancient texts. No, we're not advocating killing sprees or torture (well..atleast not most of us anyways), but two consenting homosexuals together are harming no one.

Infact we probably understand 'morality' much more than you ever will, since a sizeable number of us used to be religious/really religious.

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Postby Faolinn » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:58 pm

While I will note that homosexual behavior in animals is much more rare in the wild, this man is a moron. I have several gay friends, none of whom have ever made advances on me or tried to rape me.I know a few lesbian women and to be frank I prefer their company to many others and not because of anything sexual, they never get into anything in front of me. My lesbian neighbors have been some of the most polite and reasonable I've ever had. I'm honestly willing to bet you enjoy a spot of lesbian pornography every now and then. If you are Christian, what makes you think in such an unpredictable world that there is only one version of the truth? Granted I do not like the idea of two men kissing in front of me, but that is about aesthetics. I find it unpleasing to the eye, but not offensive to my morals. Furthermore, can you come up with one thing, one thing that is inherently wrong with homosexuality without resorting to propaganda?

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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.


I'm sorry to differ, but I consider poverty, corruption and war to be graver threats to the morals of the western world than two men or two women falling in love and spending a lifetime together as they raise a family.

Also, you claim that those against homosexuality are a mayority in the western world...yeah...NO. In fact, those against homosexuality are becoming an increasingly small minority (I give you exhibits A and B: Canada and Sweden)

Wait…you mean things that actually affect normal people instead of men hiding in their self-imposed closets are a bigger problem to you?!?!

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Postby Tekania » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:03 pm

Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.


Homosexuality is perfectly fine within the concept of western morality. In fact, the opposition to homosexual rights is completely incompatible with western morality.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:03 pm

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The Merchant Republics wrote:Even if the study that proposes that homosexual relationships have greater rates of violence and abuse than heterosexual relationships is indeed credible. I don't understand how that supports the idea that homosexuality should be illegal.

Being married to a police officer or soldier also carries a greater risk of domestic abuse, and yet, should marriage to a cop be illegal?

As a Christian (not despite of it), it is my strong belief that homosexuals must be accepted into society. Indeed, I think this study only supports that idea. A more open homosexual community would allow for greater visibility of domestic abuse. I even support gay marriage, though I don't consider it a true marriage ordained by God, I would prefer that people put commitment over simple lust, whomever their partners may be.

It is a highly good thing that no one need go through your claim of god to get married, then, huh?

Exactly.

I mean obviously if you're a gay man and a Christian, I do have difficulty imagining God would ordain a marriage between you and your partner, but I also wouldn't call the marriage resulting sinful, especially if it is done out of commitment and love. The sin of sex is that of lust, not the sex in itself.

Ergo I support gay marriage for the legal rights, I think gay couples should be committed to each other, but I also don't know if God necessarily approves of them as He approves heterosexual marriages.

It's a little like masturbation, the Bible doesn't specifically condemn it, and it doesn't explicitly condemn homosexual couples. Whenever homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, and that is rarely, it's treated as a part of other lustful behaviours and usually concern married men and priests of the Jewish Temple, in that respect. We can only infer that God might consider them lustful, but at the same time, God ordains marriage to safely mitigate lust. In the same way, homosexuality like masturbation might be seen as giving into lust, but at the same time it is explicitly called sinful.

I am of the mind then that homosexuals who have committed relationships are doing their best to mitigate the true sinful behaviour which is not the act of homosexuality but lust, they are no more guilty of a sin then any single heterosexual who has sexual congress before marriage, which if one looks at the opinions and attitudes of the Christian Church is mostly tolerated.

When they stand before God I don't think they will have any need to beg forgiveness for loving a person of the same sex, I do think they will have to admit it was sinful to sleep with them, but to love them; even romantically is not a sin.
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Postby Hallistar » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:07 pm

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The Pink Followers wrote:It is a highly good thing that no one need go through your claim of god to get married, then, huh?

Exactly.

I mean obviously if you're a gay man and a Christian, I do have difficulty imagining God would ordain a marriage between you and your partner, but I also wouldn't call the marriage resulting sinful, especially if it is done out of commitment and love. The sin of sex is that of lust, not the sex in itself.

Ergo I support gay marriage for the legal rights, I think gay couples should be committed to each other, but I also don't know if God necessarily approves of them as He approves heterosexual marriages.

It's a little like masturbation, the Bible doesn't specifically condemn it, and it doesn't explicitly condemn homosexual couples. Whenever homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, and that is rarely, it's treated as a part of other lustful behaviours and usually concern married men and priests of the Jewish Temple, in that respect. We can only infer that God might consider them lustful, but at the same time, God ordains marriage to safely mitigate lust. In the same way, homosexuality like masturbation might be seen as giving into lust, but at the same time it is explicitly called sinful.

I am of the mind then that homosexuals who have committed relationships are doing their best to mitigate the true sinful behaviour which is not the act of homosexuality but lust, they are no more guilty of a sin then any single heterosexual who has sexual congress before marriage, which if one looks at the opinions and attitudes of the Christian Church is mostly tolerated.

When they stand before God I don't think they will have any need to beg forgiveness for loving a person of the same sex, I do think they will have to admit it was sinful to sleep with them, but to love them; even romantically is not a sin.


How do you know they're going to be standing before a god or needing to admit anything?

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:14 pm

Nidaria wrote:I agree with the OP completely. Homosexuality IS a perversion

No, it's not.
(the only normal relationship is one man and one woman; that is accepted not only by Christians,

Christians believe no such thing. Christians know that there is nothing wrong with Christianity.

but by everyone else in the world except liberals).

It's impossible for a Christian to not be a liberal. Liberalism is the Christian way, and it's also the American way.

Just because it is normal for a minority to perform such acts as cannibalism and human sacrifice

What non-Christians like yourself often don't understand is that neither those are remotely comparable with homosexuality in any morally relevant way.
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Postby The Pink Followers » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:16 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Christians believe no such thing. Christians know that there is nothing wrong with Christianity.

I would certainly hope they think that!
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:18 pm

Hallistar wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:Exactly.

I mean obviously if you're a gay man and a Christian, I do have difficulty imagining God would ordain a marriage between you and your partner, but I also wouldn't call the marriage resulting sinful, especially if it is done out of commitment and love. The sin of sex is that of lust, not the sex in itself.

Ergo I support gay marriage for the legal rights, I think gay couples should be committed to each other, but I also don't know if God necessarily approves of them as He approves heterosexual marriages.

It's a little like masturbation, the Bible doesn't specifically condemn it, and it doesn't explicitly condemn homosexual couples. Whenever homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, and that is rarely, it's treated as a part of other lustful behaviours and usually concern married men and priests of the Jewish Temple, in that respect. We can only infer that God might consider them lustful, but at the same time, God ordains marriage to safely mitigate lust. In the same way, homosexuality like masturbation might be seen as giving into lust, but at the same time it is explicitly called sinful.

I am of the mind then that homosexuals who have committed relationships are doing their best to mitigate the true sinful behaviour which is not the act of homosexuality but lust, they are no more guilty of a sin then any single heterosexual who has sexual congress before marriage, which if one looks at the opinions and attitudes of the Christian Church is mostly tolerated.

When they stand before God I don't think they will have any need to beg forgiveness for loving a person of the same sex, I do think they will have to admit it was sinful to sleep with them, but to love them; even romantically is not a sin.


How do you know they're going to be standing before a god or needing to admit anything?


You mean how do I know anything I believe in is true?

I don't. Hence faith. I know it to be true. Now perhaps I'm insane that's possible probably not even unlikely, but I'm not ignorant. The existence of God and of Christ is as real to me as the Earth's rotation of the Sun, and as certain as I am of the dawn, so am I certain of Christ.

My message was chiefly concerning how my faith, and moreover the scriptures of Christianity are not opposed homosexuality. Except in the ways it opposes sexuality in general.

Edit: :palm:

I lol'd when I realized what I had written. I meant the Earth's rotation of the Sun. I am not a geocentrist... But it doesn't help my "I am not insane case."
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Nidaria wrote:
The Pink Followers wrote:When homosexuals pose a threat to anyone but themselves--an idea that is false nonetheless--you may ban it. Until then, kindly stop oppressing me due to your idiotic stance on morality and perversion.

In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

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Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

Even though the only morals they threaten are your archaic, backwards morals.
Homophobes could go and live in the Middle East or Africa, where persecuting and killing homosexuals is still in fashion. :meh:
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New Rogernomics wrote:
Condunum wrote:Even though the only morals they threaten are your archaic, backwards morals.
Homophobes could go and live in the Middle East or Africa, where persecuting and killing homosexuals is still in fashion. :meh:


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Nidaria wrote:In the eyes of traditionalists like myself, homosexuality poses a very grave threat to the morals of the western world. Of course, morality is not something you understand fully yet.

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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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