FLORIDA: Zimmerman Freed From Jail

[Avenio]

Oh gee whiz, one picture turned out to be mistaken identity.

When the pictures involved originated on Stormfront, I'm willing to bet that it wasn't just 'mistaken identity'.

That doesn't erase Trayvon's criminal record or his obvious love for violence.

What 'love for violence'? Do you have any sources for his criminal record?

[Shibig]

yeah um zimmerman was attacked first. not saying it was morally justified, but it was legally justified. you may disagree with me on this but one witness did say treyvon started the fight and when zimmerman was brought to the police station video feed from the survalence camras revealed a large gash on the back of his head. whats horseshit is when the media sways impressionable people like you to believe something that is false and bias.

[Alowwvia]

He wasn't killed for those crimes; he was killed because he assaulted a man with a gun like an idiot. However, these incidents prove that the young man was no stranger to doing violence to get what he wanted.

Also, since when is 17 'a kid', anyways? That's full blown 'young-adult', and most people by 17 should know how to tell right from wrong.



Oh gee whiz, one picture turned out to be mistaken identity.

That doesn't erase Trayvon's criminal record or his obvious love for violence.

What violence?

"Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.

Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?"



I have to remind you; he WAS suspended from school. Don't deny he wasn't a thug, because he was.


Oh, and the 'turn around and try to beat the neighborhood watch to near-death because them watching me offends me' thing.

[Alowwvia]

Oh gee whiz, one picture turned out to be mistaken identity.

When the pictures involved originated on Stormfront, I'm willing to bet that it wasn't just 'mistaken identity'.

That doesn't erase Trayvon's criminal record or his obvious love for violence.

What 'love for violence'? Do you have any sources for his criminal record?

The one photo being wrong does no discredit that 'Trayvon was a thug' part, because it's true. I don't care where that image came from; all I care is that you accept that Trayvon was, in fact, pretty scummy, and probably DID react to Zimmerman with violence because it's in his nature to react in a 'bully' sort of way.

[Desperate Measures]

What violence?

"Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.

Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?"



I have to remind you; he WAS suspended from school. Don't deny he wasn't a thug, because he was.


Oh, and the 'turn around and try to beat the neighborhood watch to near-death because them watching me offends me' thing.

"All three suspensions debunk another unfounded rumor: that Trayvon Martin had been suspended for attacking a bus driver. In fact, a Miami-Dade School District official confirmed on Monday that Martin had no violent infractions on his record."
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-tryvon-fo ... 6948.story

LOL! Near-death?

Please, just do the minimal amount of research to get your facts at least a little bit straight.

[Avenio]

The one photo being wrong does no discredit that 'Trayvon was a thug' part, because it's true. I don't care where that image came from; all I care is that you accept that Trayvon was, in fact, pretty scummy, and probably DID react to Zimmerman with violence because it's in his nature to react in a 'bully' sort of way.

Again, provide evidence that Martin had a violent criminal record. Not just pictures of someone's Twitter account.

[Farnhamia]

When the pictures involved originated on Stormfront, I'm willing to bet that it wasn't just 'mistaken identity'.



What 'love for violence'? Do you have any sources for his criminal record?

The one photo being wrong does no discredit that 'Trayvon was a thug' part, because it's true. I don't care where that image came from; all I care is that you accept that Trayvon was, in fact, pretty scummy, and probably DID react to Zimmerman with violence because it's in his nature to react in a 'bully' sort of way.

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

[Alowwvia]

The one photo being wrong does no discredit that 'Trayvon was a thug' part, because it's true. I don't care where that image came from; all I care is that you accept that Trayvon was, in fact, pretty scummy, and probably DID react to Zimmerman with violence because it's in his nature to react in a 'bully' sort of way.

Again, provide evidence that Martin had a violent criminal record. Not just pictures of someone's Twitter account.

'No evidence is ever good enough!'

Even if he didn't actually do it, he seemed to take great pride in the whole 'thug life' lifestyle.

Hell, just look at who he associates himself with. Why would a 'nice boy' associate themselves with such people?

"Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.

Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?"



I have to remind you; he WAS suspended from school. Don't deny he wasn't a thug, because he was.


Oh, and the 'turn around and try to beat the neighborhood watch to near-death because them watching me offends me' thing.

"All three suspensions debunk another unfounded rumor: that Trayvon Martin had been suspended for attacking a bus driver. In fact, a Miami-Dade School District official confirmed on Monday that Martin had no violent infractions on his record."
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-tryvon-fo ... 6948.story

LOL! Near-death?

Please, just do the minimal amount of research to get your facts at least a little bit straight.

So you're DENYING that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and tried to inflict awful wounds on him then?

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

Maybe, I'll yield that one. But that's still no reason for Trayvon to attack him unprovoked.

[Desperate Measures]

Again, provide evidence that Martin had a violent criminal record. Not just pictures of someone's Twitter account.

'No evidence is ever good enough!'

Even if he didn't actually do it, he seemed to take great pride in the whole 'thug life' lifestyle.

Hell, just look at who he associates himself with. Why would a 'nice boy' associate themselves with such people?

"All three suspensions debunk another unfounded rumor: that Trayvon Martin had been suspended for attacking a bus driver. In fact, a Miami-Dade School District official confirmed on Monday that Martin had no violent infractions on his record."
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-tryvon-fo ... 6948.story

LOL! Near-death?

Please, just do the minimal amount of research to get your facts at least a little bit straight.

So you're DENYING that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and tried to inflict awful wounds on him then?

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

Maybe, I'll yield that one. But that's still no reason for Trayvon to attack him unprovoked.

I don't deny something that I'm not sure about. Hopefully we'll find out.

My interest was that given the facts that were known about this case, Zimmerman should be arrested and that there should be a trial. And, yay! That's happening.

[Tekania]

Which crimes was Martin in the middle of? Walking?

He seemed to act like there was DEFINATELY something he didn't want the neighborhood watch patrol to see. That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.


Once again, just because someone is watching you (especially if you're a well known bully in the community), doesn't give you the right to turn around and 'give them a problem', by which I mean grabbing someone several inches shorter than you and beating them into the pavement.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug. The world is better off without him.

He acted like he didn't want to be stalked by some strange dude in a truck and then on foot while heading off to his father's fiancees house where he and had dad had been watching the ame. He likely didn't feel safe either leading said crazed guy back to that house.... pretty fucking reasonable. I would have enouraged my own kids to do the same under similar circumstances.

[Avenio]

'No evidence is ever good enough!'

All you've given us is an incorrect allegation about Martin assaulting a bus driver, a series of pictures that weren't of him, and a bizarre Twitter account picture that may or may not be him, as you don't give any sources for it. None of that is evidence of a criminal record or violent tendencies.

Even if he didn't actually do it, he seemed to take great pride in the whole 'thug life' lifestyle.

Did he? You've yet to prove that, what with the whole fake photos thing.

Hell, just look at who he associates himself with. Why would a 'nice boy' associate themselves with such people?

Who is he associating with, again? A group of teenagers that scribbled on a locker? For having a small bag of marijuana on him? How does that make him a 'thug'?

[Alien Space Bats]

i cant believe how this is almost entirely party lines...

How am I breaking along party lines?

I'm a moderate-to-liberal Democrat; I wanted to see him charged, if only because we need a trial to resolve this matter. I suspect he'll end up getting off, although I really can't say without access to the evidence.

Beyond that, I think that Florida's law on this matter sucks, because it allows people to get into altercations and attack each other out of mutual fear, escalating until somebody gets killed, and then lets the killer get off in a great many cases. The law should not encourage people to get into escalating altercations; it should push everybody towards deescalation in the public interest.

But we'll see.

[Desperate Measures]

i cant believe how this is almost entirely party lines...

How am I breaking along party lines?

I'm a moderate-to-liberal Democrat; I wanted to see him charged, if only because we need a trial to resolve this matter. I suspect he'll end up getting off, although I really can't say without access to the evidence.

Beyond that, I think that Florida's law on this matter sucks, because it allows people to get into altercations and attack each other out of mutual fear, escalating until somebody gets killed, and then lets the killer get off in a great many cases. The law should not encourage people to get into escalating altercations; it should push everybody towards deescalation in the public interest.

But we'll see.

So much this.

[Alien Space Bats]

He seemed to act like there was DEFINATELY something he didn't want the neighborhood watch patrol to see. That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.

Excuse me, but did Zimmerman have access to Martin's "history"? No? Then how in the fuck could he base his suspicions on it? Answer: He couldn't.

Your allegations are horseshit.

Likewise, what was Martin doing that made Zimmerman "suspect" him? Answer: Walking with a hood pulled over his face against the rain while talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone using an earbud. That's what Zimmerman saw - a guy walking along the street in the rain talking to thin air. Hence, his statement to the 911 operator: "I think he's on drugs."

I've seen people walk along the street talking on an earbud; Hell, I've done it myself. Even though we all know that the technology to talk on a cell phone without having to hold the God-damned thing up against your ear exists, and we may even have used it, we are not as a culture yet accustomed to seeing it: We think people who talk at thin air are "crazy", "wierd", "whacked out", or "on drugs".

So again, your allegations are horseshit.

Once again, just because someone is watching you (especially if you're a well known bully in the community), doesn't give you the right to turn around and 'give them a problem', by which I mean grabbing someone several inches shorter than you and beating them into the pavement.

Oh, but being light-skinned gives you the right to chase down someone you think is "suspicious" because he's wearing a hoodie against the rain and talking on a earbud, stop him, flash a God-damned gun (Zimmerman admits that Trayvon knew he had a gun, for Christ's sake), demand in a hostile and belligerent tone that they justify their presence in your neighborhood, and then maybe pull your piece on him and tell him not to move?

Is that because walking around after dark while black is a crime? When did we bring back the God-damned "sunset laws"?!? I must have missed that shit.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug. The world is better off without him.

So is there where you admit that you're a racist, or tell us all about how many close black friends you have?

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For his part, I don't think that George Zimmerman is a racist; I do believe, however, that he forgot that - in real life, anyway - he's not fucking Batman.

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EDIT: As for the pictures and the Twitter account, do you Stormfront fools realize that there's more than one person out there named "Trayvon Martin"?

I mean, there are multiple people with my name (I used to get horribly ribbed by my IT colleagues because my name is exactly the same as that of an Australian folk singer of Romany origin who tours the outback in a colorful wagon [OZZIES: If you know who I'm talking about, PLEASE don't blow my cover!!!!]); there are multiple people with my sister's married name; there are multiple people with my wife's name. As Ivan Vorpatril tells Miles Vorkosigan in Lois McMaster Bujold's novel Brothers in Arms, "This is Earth, Miles - there are six of everything here."

[Ethel mermania]

>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer

(Image)

The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.

Oh, well, tattoos and gold teeth, I'm convinced. Zimmerman should have followed him to his father's house and made sure of him, too, since that sort of thing is genetic, you know.

tatoo's and gold teeth ??? what makes me really afeared of the boy, is that indoor safe dart board behind him, you know his dad must have him practicing with plastic darts to you know do something to the white man . . ..

sheesh, by the looks of it my 15 year old could take that kid

[Desperate Measures]

Oh, well, tattoos and gold teeth, I'm convinced. Zimmerman should have followed him to his father's house and made sure of him, too, since that sort of thing is genetic, you know.

tatoo's and gold teeth ??? what makes me really afeared of the boy, is that indoor safe dart board behind him, you know his dad must have him practicing with plastic darts to you know do something to the white man . . ..

sheesh, by the looks of it my 15 year old could take that kid

Oh my gosh! I hope your 15 year old is fully registered with the neighborhood watch and any other well-intentioned vigilantes in the neighborhood.

[Alowwvia]

So if I don't rush to the defense of any black person who's been involved in any sort of crime, I'm a racist? Good to know.

I think everyone should get equal treatment, regardless of race. Including Trayvon.

[Samuraikoku]

So if I don't rush to the defense of any black person who's been involved in any sort of crime, I'm a racist? Good to know.

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

[Alowwvia]

So if I don't rush to the defense of any black person who's been involved in any sort of crime, I'm a racist? Good to know.

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

[Desperate Measures]

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

Because of? Because of? And won't it be nice to see what that eyewitness has to say in an official setting? Wonderful how that will happen.

[Alowwvia]

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

Because of? Because of? And won't it be nice to see what that eyewitness has to say in an official setting? Wonderful how that will happen.

Indeed.

[Desperate Measures]

Because of? Because of? And won't it be nice to see what that eyewitness has to say in an official setting? Wonderful how that will happen.

Indeed.

[Alowwvia]

Indeed.

Something the matter, chap?

[Desperate Measures]

Something the matter, chap?

I'm good now, love.

[Samuraikoku]

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

Who?