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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:12 am

Druidville wrote:Let's face it: Zimmerman isn't going to run. .

He is not running because his lawyer has convinced him he can win either at trial or on appeal.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:21 am

Stedicules wrote:
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By Zimmerman's own account he assaulted martin. He went after martin first. That assault should remove the protections of stand your ground from him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault yes i know wiki is not always a best source but for this it works.

Now this has nothing to do with bail. bail is only to make sure zimmerman shows up for trial, and as zimmerman turned himself in, its hard to say he is a flight risk.

he struck at him first because he was threatened by him. clearly within the 'stand your ground' law.


And here in lies the silliness of it all, as Martin appears to have been perfectly within his rights to defend himself under the same law as Zimmerman threatened him. It's a round about silliness. Although I think the prosecution may have a bit more of a case for some sort of charge, as Zimmerman (against all better judgement and direct instruction from authorities) provoked the confrontation. It may not be murder, but I'm willing to bet the prosecution can make something stick.

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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:25 am

It's just due process, to which any accused is entitled. You offer bail unless there is risk of flight, or a clear and present danger of harm.

So he gets what any defendant is entitled to.

And although I think he should not get away with creating a situation in which he causes someone else to feel threatened by him, and then using that person;s reaction to justify killing him, I still think every defendant is innocent, period.

We keep forgetting that part. It's like, let's skip the trial and go straight to the hanging.
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:38 am

Pope Joan wrote:We keep forgetting that part. It's like, let's skip the trial and go straight to the hanging.


Well that's the fun part.
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Postby Tekania » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:48 am

Faalennytopia wrote:There is something fishy about him being freed but i don't know what im sure the other NSG'S know


What's fishy about being able to post the bond which was set last week and being free pending trial?
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:54 am

Hathradic States wrote:There is this thing...it's called bail. If you post bail, then they let you go on the condition you show up for trial (along with a cash thing, I believe).


you post the bail (money) and that keeps you there.
say my bail is set at $15,000. if i 'bail' out on the trial, they keep the money.
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:56 am

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Druidville wrote:Let's face it: Zimmerman isn't going to run. He's going to be hiding from public view and hope the jihad doesn't find him.


Jihad implies the Muslims are out to get him. These are the liberal pop-culturist media fanatics after him.


Arent the Black panthers muslim? i know the Nation of islam has similar beliefs
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:58 am

Itanica wrote:(Image)
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I believe he acted in self defense. Granted he shouldn't have followed him, but I don't lash out and smash someone round the face if someone follows me. Politely ask them why they are following maybe.


apparently THAT was self inflicted. reddit told me so. and they ignore that when you listen to the 911 call, you can hear him stop moving. so clearly, he mastered the art of the ninja in about 15 seconds

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i cant believe how this is almost entirely party lines...
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Postby Tekania » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:01 am

The Aryan Nations wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Jihad implies the Muslims are out to get him. These are the liberal pop-culturist media fanatics after him.


Arent the Black panthers muslim? i know the Nation of islam has similar beliefs


You're thinking of the NOI..... the black panthers are maoist black-nationalist.
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:04 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Stedicules wrote:pretty cool thing they got nowadays. they're called bounty hunters and bond agents. if he doesn't show up, he's got worse people to deal with.


Not legal.


it is in america. fugitives lose protection under the US constitution. just cant kill them (unless attacked)

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Farnhamia wrote:That's not what she said.

as she left the house with a disgusted look on her face.


walk of shame?

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The Aryan Nations wrote:
Arent the Black panthers muslim? i know the Nation of islam has similar beliefs


You're thinking of the NOI..... the black panthers are maoist black-nationalist.


ahh, my bad
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:41 am

New Helier wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q_zmTNsKc&feature=g-logo&context=G23cc688FOAAAAAAAAAA

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody. Not sure if there is a thread on this topic already.

This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive that he shot an un-armed kid and it looks like he is getting off with barely a slap on the wrist! I'll bet every dollar I have that had Martin been white this wouldn't have even been an issue, Zimmerman would be in jail and we would have never heard of him or martin.


Hello, welcome to America. In America, we usually hold something called a trial before we crucify the bastard. We also have something called a bail, and contrary to what your -ahem- ignorance tells you, that's not a: "Ok, Zimmerman is free now." So why don't you calm the fuck down and try not to begin rioting, m'kay?

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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:45 am

Because Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

Martin was in no way right to start assaulting neighborhood watchmen under the suspicion they might be watching them commit his crimes.

Trayvon got what he deserved, and I hope Zimmerman goes free.
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Postby The free state of Great Britain » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:48 am

New Helier wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q_zmTNsKc&feature=g-logo&context=G23cc688FOAAAAAAAAAA

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody. Not sure if there is a thread on this topic already.

This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive that he shot an un-armed kid and it looks like he is getting off with barely a slap on the wrist! I'll bet every dollar I have that had Martin been white this wouldn't have even been an issue, Zimmerman would be in jail and we would have never heard of him or martin.



Okay, so if he gets found not guilty you'll still think he's guilty because everyone says so? If he's found not guilty isn't that proof that the 'evidence' that he shot an unarmed kid isn't conclusive and that he did in fact act in self defence?

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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:48 am

Alowwvia wrote:Because Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

Martin was in no way right to start assaulting neighborhood watchmen under the suspicion they might be watching them commit his crimes.

Trayvon got what he deserved, and I hope Zimmerman goes free.

Which crimes was Martin in the middle of? :eyebrow: Walking?
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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:51 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Alowwvia wrote:Because Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

Martin was in no way right to start assaulting neighborhood watchmen under the suspicion they might be watching them commit his crimes.

Trayvon got what he deserved, and I hope Zimmerman goes free.

Which crimes was Martin in the middle of? :eyebrow: Walking?


He seemed to act like there was DEFINATELY something he didn't want the neighborhood watch patrol to see. That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.


Once again, just because someone is watching you (especially if you're a well known bully in the community), doesn't give you the right to turn around and 'give them a problem', by which I mean grabbing someone several inches shorter than you and beating them into the pavement.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug. The world is better off without him.
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Postby Avenio » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:53 am

Alowwvia wrote: That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.


'The fact'? Let's see some evidence of that 'fact'.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:54 am

Alowwvia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Which crimes was Martin in the middle of? :eyebrow: Walking?


He seemed to act like there was DEFINATELY something he didn't want the neighborhood watch patrol to see. That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.


Once again, just because someone is watching you (especially if you're a well known bully in the community), doesn't give you the right to turn around and 'give them a problem', by which I mean grabbing someone several inches shorter than you and beating them into the pavement.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug. The world is better off without him.

Oh, I thought maybe you knew something the rest of us didn't. You're just making shit up like the others. Good to know.

From Wiki on Zimmerman:
"Zimmerman's past legal troubles

Contrary to any alleged claims of having a "squeaky clean" background, Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer when interfering with the arrest of a friend.[36] In an application to join Seminole County Sheriff’s Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy he explained the incident: "I was in an altercation with an undercover officer that was taking part in an ATF sting for underage drinking in UCF. He never told me he was an officer and assaulted me first. Shortly after that, in September 2005, the same unit was conducting a sting at UCF and an officer was killed by an OPD officer because he discharged his weapon and did not identify himself."[37] However, according to the official arrest report, agents with Florida’s Alcohol Beverage and Tobacco division were arresting several employees near the University of Central Florida. Agent Paul Fleishman wrote that Zimmerman walked up to a man under arrest and began chatting, refusing to leave. Zimmerman then proceeded to curse at him, before pushing him and causing a short struggle.[38] In a police affidavit it was clamed that police badges were shown to Zimmerman but Zimmerman said "I don't care who you are."[39] Criminal charges were later dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. He also was involved in physical altercation with his ex-fiancée, Veronica Zauzo. Zauzo claimed he pushed her, Zimmerman claimed she slapped and choked him and drew blood. A Judge issued a mutual restraining order against each of them to last over a year, no charges were filed"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigat ... l_troubles
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:54 am

Avenio wrote:
Alowwvia wrote: That, along with the fact that Trayvon had a HISTORY of... 'bad behavior', means there's good reason to be suspicious of him.


'The fact'? Let's see some evidence of that 'fact'.

I think he smoked pot. Death to the pot smokers!
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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:57 am

>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

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Image

The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.
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Postby Avenio » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:02 am

Alowwvia wrote:>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer
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http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/upload ... /Ax26X.jpg[/img]

The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.


That's not the right Trayvon Martin.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:03 am

Alowwvia wrote:>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer

(Image)

The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.

"In October, Martin was suspended with friends for writing “W.T.F.” on a hallway locker, according to a school report obtained by the Herald. A security guard looking through his backpack for the graffiti marker and instead found women’s rings and earrings and a screwdriver, described by the staffer as a “burglary tool.”"
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rom-school

DEATH!!!!
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:05 am

Alowwvia wrote:>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer



The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.

Oh, well, tattoos and gold teeth, I'm convinced. Zimmerman should have followed him to his father's house and made sure of him, too, since that sort of thing is genetic, you know. :roll:
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Desperate Measures wrote:
Alowwvia wrote:>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer

(Image)

The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.

"In October, Martin was suspended with friends for writing “W.T.F.” on a hallway locker, according to a school report obtained by the Herald. A security guard looking through his backpack for the graffiti marker and instead found women’s rings and earrings and a screwdriver, described by the staffer as a “burglary tool.”"
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rom-school

DEATH!!!!


He wasn't killed for those crimes; he was killed because he assaulted a man with a gun like an idiot. However, these incidents prove that the young man was no stranger to doing violence to get what he wanted.

Also, since when is 17 'a kid', anyways? That's full blown 'young-adult', and most people by 17 should know how to tell right from wrong.



Oh gee whiz, one picture turned out to be mistaken identity.

That doesn't erase Trayvon's criminal record or his obvious love for violence.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:07 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Alowwvia wrote:>But Trayvon was a good, innocent young m--

No. He wasn't. He was a thug. A common low-life.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... rug-dealer



The above image is what Trayvon Martin actually looked like. He routinely spoke lik dis nyukka, boasted about dealing drugs, and more importantly, seemed quite proud of his will and capacity to do violence, such as assaulting a bus driver.

Please educate yourself.

Oh, well, tattoos and gold teeth, I'm convinced. Zimmerman should have followed him to his father's house and made sure of him, too, since that sort of thing is genetic, you know. :roll:

My Grandfather had gold teeth. Ever since, we've been using medical procedures pretty much right after birth. Thiefs in the night, you know.
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Desperate Measures
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:08 am

Alowwvia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:"In October, Martin was suspended with friends for writing “W.T.F.” on a hallway locker, according to a school report obtained by the Herald. A security guard looking through his backpack for the graffiti marker and instead found women’s rings and earrings and a screwdriver, described by the staffer as a “burglary tool.”"
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rom-school

DEATH!!!!


He wasn't killed for those crimes; he was killed because he assaulted a man with a gun like an idiot. However, these incidents prove that the young man was no stranger to doing violence to get what he wanted.

Also, since when is 17 'a kid', anyways? That's full blown 'young-adult', and most people by 17 should know how to tell right from wrong.



Oh gee whiz, one picture turned out to be mistaken identity.

That doesn't erase Trayvon's criminal record or his obvious love for violence.

What violence?

You know that Zimmerman's lawyers will actually have a better defense than this bullshit that you're spouting, right? Why not try to attach yourself to some of those arguments? You won't fail so hard.
Last edited by Desperate Measures on Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
"My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music."
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Also, me.
“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”
- Fyodor Dostoyevsky Russian Novelist and Writer, 1821-1881
"All Clock Faces Are Wrong." - Gene Ray, Prophet(?) http://www.timecube.com
A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

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