FLORIDA: Zimmerman Freed From Jail

[AiliailiA]

There is this thing...it's called bail. If you post bail, then they let you go on the condition you show up for trial (along with a cash thing, I believe).

you post the bail (money) and that keeps you there.
say my bail is set at $15,000. if i 'bail' out on the trial, they keep the money.

I think you just fabricated that etymology. They have different roots. Doesn't matter much since they're so similar but let it be noted that you're making shit up.

[Juristonia]

do you have any idea how bail works?

and all the evidence points to TrayTray assaulting zimmerman. Self defense is legal in civilized countries.

the sad thing? this reaction is... stale..
people seriously dont understand bail..

All the evidence?

Please, divulge all this evidence that the State of Florida clearly doesn't have if they are charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder!

Well, there was a picture of Trayvon where he had a grill and like, that's totally conclusive evidence of everything, ever.

[AiliailiA]

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody.
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This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive

...still he hasn't been sentenced yet. And if the local laws state the suspect of a crime can be freed upon certain conditions, and the judiciary verifies such conditions are met, it's only fair.

I object to the local laws and the conditions they set, though, not to the decision of freeing him itself. I'd guess there's still a reasonable chance that he'll try and escape before the trial - that would be enough to keep him in jail imo. There's also a reasonable chance he could be killed by vigilantes, as there's a group that has openly placed a price on his head iirc.

I think the court also confiscated his gun, so I guess he'll be staying in. De facto house arrest but that's still a lot better than jail.

[Risottia]

I think the court also confiscated his gun, so I guess he'll be staying in.

Do you drive a gun to escape? I knew America is a weird place, but this...

De facto house arrest but that's still a lot better than jail.

A de jure house arrest would have better then.

[Tmutarakhan]

I think the court also confiscated his gun, so I guess he'll be staying in.

Do you drive a gun to escape? I knew America is a weird place, but this...

De facto house arrest but that's still a lot better than jail.

A de jure house arrest would have better then.

He is wearing an ankle-bracelet monitor and has a curfew.

[Risottia]

Do you drive a gun to escape? I knew America is a weird place, but this...


A de jure house arrest would have better then.

He is wearing an ankle-bracelet monitor and has a curfew.

Hm, well, I'd guess that's enough then.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

after, according to zimmerman, zimmerman cut him off, got out of his car and grabbed him with intent to stop him. In the united states that is assault. According to zimmerman's own account he should lose the protections of stand your ground, and go to jail.

ZImmerman is out on bail now, as he gets the presumption of innoccence before trial, and he has proved that he probably is not a flight risk by turning himself in.

Actually, according to Zimmerman and the 911 tape he lost sight of Martin and ceased following once the 911 operator requested he do so (the change in background noise at that point in the call suggest Zimmerman ceased moving.), he then began returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him and began beating on him.

At the bail hearing the lead investigator acknowledged the prosecution has no evidence that contradicts that Zimmerman was on his way back to the car or that Trayvon assaulted him.

[AiliailiA]

I think the court also confiscated his gun, so I guess he'll be staying in.

Do you drive a gun to escape? I knew America is a weird place, but this...

They drive around in tanks dontcha know.

Under the conditions set by Judge Kenneth Lester Jr, Zimmerman must wear an electronic monitoring device, although he may be allowed to leave the state.
He will also have to observe a dusk-to-dawn curfew and is prohibited from consuming illegal drugs or alcohol or possessing a firearm.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/04/20124235153900507.html

I'd have thought he has MORE need of a means of self-defense than the average person. I'm surprised there isn't more protest from gun-rights types about disarming a man who is not technically a criminal.

Doesn't bother me though. I'm quite anti-gun tho' I think people can have them if their work requires it, and I'd let people shoot at a gun range if they store their gun there. So he wouldn't have had a gun in the first place.

[Novus Niciae]

He has been released on bail... there will be a trial soon to decide his guilt.
Personally I am assuming he is innocent until his guilt has been proven in court.

[Tekania]

after, according to zimmerman, zimmerman cut him off, got out of his car and grabbed him with intent to stop him. In the united states that is assault. According to zimmerman's own account he should lose the protections of stand your ground, and go to jail.

ZImmerman is out on bail now, as he gets the presumption of innoccence before trial, and he has proved that he probably is not a flight risk by turning himself in.

Actually, according to Zimmerman and the 911 tape he lost sight of Martin and ceased following once the 911 operator requested he do so (the change in background noise at that point in the call suggest Zimmerman ceased moving.), he then began returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him and began beating on him.

At the bail hearing the lead investigator acknowledged the prosecution has no evidence that contradicts that Zimmerman was on his way back to the car or that Trayvon assaulted him.

Except of course that the altercation occurred near Martin's destination and not near Zimmerman's vehicle. And we have a witness of actual verbiage between Martin and Zimmerman immediate to the altercation.

[Tekania]

you post the bail (money) and that keeps you there.
say my bail is set at $15,000. if i 'bail' out on the trial, they keep the money.

I think you just fabricated that etymology. They have different roots. Doesn't matter much since they're so similar but let it be noted that you're making shit up.

he did, the actual etymology is "bail" in the sense of confinement or custody, (such as bailing hay) as the concept was you were placed into the custody of the one who posted the bonding payment.

[Ifreann]

You don't have to defend anyone...but next time, if you don't want to be called a racist, perhaps keep your mouth shut?

Thomas Paine said it best

We'll see how smug he is when my medicine raises him from the dead.

[Fascist Earth]

after, according to zimmerman, zimmerman cut him off, got out of his car and grabbed him with intent to stop him. In the united states that is assault. According to zimmerman's own account he should lose the protections of stand your ground, and go to jail.

ZImmerman is out on bail now, as he gets the presumption of innoccence before trial, and he has proved that he probably is not a flight risk by turning himself in.

Actually, according to Zimmerman and the 911 tape he lost sight of Martin and ceased following once the 911 operator requested he do so (the change in background noise at that point in the call suggest Zimmerman ceased moving.), he then began returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him and began beating on him.

At the bail hearing the lead investigator acknowledged the prosecution has no evidence that contradicts that Zimmerman was on his way back to the car or that Trayvon assaulted him.

what cool aid you drinking

[Arkinesia]

after, according to zimmerman, zimmerman cut him off, got out of his car and grabbed him with intent to stop him. In the united states that is assault. According to zimmerman's own account he should lose the protections of stand your ground, and go to jail.

ZImmerman is out on bail now, as he gets the presumption of innoccence before trial, and he has proved that he probably is not a flight risk by turning himself in.

Actually, according to Zimmerman and the 911 tape he lost sight of Martin and ceased following once the 911 operator requested he do so (the change in background noise at that point in the call suggest Zimmerman ceased moving.), he then began returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him and began beating on him.

At the bail hearing the lead investigator acknowledged the prosecution has no evidence that contradicts that Zimmerman was on his way back to the car or that Trayvon assaulted him.

Pure conjecture without a source citing the State of Florida.

[Stedicules]

The one photo being wrong does no discredit that 'Trayvon was a thug' part, because it's true. I don't care where that image came from; all I care is that you accept that Trayvon was, in fact, pretty scummy, and probably DID react to Zimmerman with violence because it's in his nature to react in a 'bully' sort of way.

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

he was returning to his vehicle when martin assaulted him.

[Juristonia]

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

he was returning to his vehicle when martin assaulted him.

Except of course that the altercation occurred near Martin's destination and not near Zimmerman's vehicle. And we have a witness of actual verbiage between Martin and Zimmerman immediate to the altercation.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q_zmTNsKc&feature=g-logo&context=G23cc688FOAAAAAAAAAA

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody. Not sure if there is a thread on this topic already.

This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive that he shot an un-armed kid and it looks like he is getting off with barely a slap on the wrist! I'll bet every dollar I have that had Martin been white this wouldn't have even been an issue, Zimmerman would be in jail and we would have never heard of him or martin.

do you have any idea how bail works?

and all the evidence points to TrayTray assaulting zimmerman.

It really doesn't.

Self defense is legal in civilized countries.

Sure, but it's not self-defense if you're the attacker.

That said, him being released after posting bond should not be controversial. At all.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

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I believe he acted in self defense. Granted he shouldn't have followed him, but I don't lash out and smash someone round the face if someone follows me. Politely ask them why they are following maybe.

Of course not.

On the other hand, if the person following you attacks you unprovoked, I suspect you'd defend yourself. And I suspect that that's what Trayvon Martin did--George Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin while the latter was minding his own business, and Trayvon Martin attempted to defend himself from George Zimmerman's armed assault as best he could.

See how that works?

[Lizardiar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q_zmTNsKc&feature=g-logo&context=G23cc688FOAAAAAAAAAA

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody. Not sure if there is a thread on this topic already.

This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive that he shot an un-armed kid and it looks like he is getting off with barely a slap on the wrist! I'll bet every dollar I have that had Martin been white this wouldn't have even been an issue, Zimmerman would be in jail and we would have never heard of him or martin.

On what evidence? There is no clear-cut evidence either way. We can't tell if Zimmerman is telling the truth of being attacked or if he attacked Martin. The 911 call is not clear and you can't tell who is yelling. The media has already admitted to openly lying and using the picture of Martin when he was much younger and smaller.
Going for a 2nd degree murder conviction was purely out of pleasing the masses. But there isn't enough to convict him of 2nd degree. Manslaughter maybe, but the real focus should be on the open threats, bounties, and racebaiters.
If this case were the reverse, with a black man shooting a 6'4" white kid in a black neighborhood, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be screaming their heads off about the 'Racist Justice System' and how "They only arrested him because he is black! It was clearly self-defence!"

Racism and sensationalism sells...If only it wasn't the same for the justice system...

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

He wasn't killed for those crimes; he was killed because he assaulted a man with a gun like an idiot.

How do you know the man with a gun didn't assault him?

However, these incidents prove that the young man was no stranger to doing violence to get what he wanted.

They really don't. Writing graffiti isn't exactly a violent act.

Also, since when is 17 'a kid', anyways? That's full blown 'young-adult', and most people by 17 should know how to tell right from wrong.

Not relevant. Even if he had the history of "bad behavior" you claim, he wasn't engaging in any of it at the time of the incident under discussion, was he? Who appointed George Zimmerman judge, jury, and executioner?

[Transhuman Proteus]

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

he was returning to his vehicle when martin assaulted him.

Or so those supporting him say. From the information that has gotten to the public it doesn't look like it happened that way.

Plus if Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, than Martin should also have lost sight of Zimmerman. It seems odd that Martin would first run, after being followed by a suspicious guy in a car, then having lost the guy go back and attack him.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Even if he didn't actually do it, he seemed to take great pride in the whole 'thug life' lifestyle.

And? If he doesn't actually do anything, what does it matter what kind of "lifestyle" he takes pride in?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

the real focus should be on the...racebaiters.

Cut everything else out because this is the part I'm responding to.

And I totally agree. It's a travesty how the right wing and the knee-jerk Zimmerman defenders have done everything they can to try and spark a racial conflict in this country over the Trayvon Martin situation. We on the left have tried our best to hold this country together by advocating that the case is dealt with through proper channels, but the right seems to be intent on tearing this country apart by denying legal justice and encouraging racial conflict.

[Lizardiar]

the real focus should be on the...racebaiters.

Cut everything else out because this is the part I'm responding to.

And I totally agree. It's a travesty how the right wing and the knee-jerk Zimmerman defenders have done everything they can to try and spark a racial conflict in this country over the Trayvon Martin situation. We on the left have tried our best to hold this country together by advocating that the case is dealt with through proper channels, but the right seems to be intent on tearing this country apart by denying legal justice and encouraging racial conflict.

Just the right? No one is blameless in this. MSNBC, FOX News, and CNN have all played their part. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are advocating violence against Zimmerman. The New Black Panther Party put a bounty on his head, which last time I checked, they can't do that legally but who is going to call them on that? Zimmerman's supporters have all claimed that Martin was some thug from the streets, and theya re in the wrong too. The president didn't help any with his "My son would look like Trayvon."

If he wanted to stop the infighting he should get onto the NBP and the hate speech being spewed by Sharpton and Jackson. He should show that the Justice System isn't going to bow to popular will and will do what is right. If he wanted to stop all this insanity, he needs to come out and support the Judge and the court that is trying Zimmerman. Express his condolences to the Martin family and say 'The evidence will prove guilt or innocence.'

[Cannot think of a name]

Under the conditions set by Judge Kenneth Lester Jr, Zimmerman must wear an electronic monitoring device, although he may be allowed to leave the state.
He will also have to observe a dusk-to-dawn curfew and is prohibited from consuming illegal drugs or alcohol or possessing a firearm.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/04/20124235153900507.html

I'd have thought he has MORE need of a means of self-defense than the average person. I'm surprised there isn't more protest from gun-rights types about disarming a man who is not technically a criminal.

Doesn't bother me though. I'm quite anti-gun tho' I think people can have them if their work requires it, and I'd let people shoot at a gun range if they store their gun there. So he wouldn't have had a gun in the first place.

He can leave the state but not be out after dark? And why can't he have a drink? He wasn't charged with drunkenly shooting someone, he did that sober. Saying he's banned from using illegal drugs seems redundant. Those seem like weird conditions for bail. His lawyer didn't know where he was prior to being charged but when he was he turned himself in before it was even announced. He doesn't seem like a flight risk, those seem like odd restrictions. Ah well, at least this shit's going to trial...