FLORIDA: Zimmerman Freed From Jail

[Condunum]

So? This isn't a fucking problem, let alone a big one. He posted bail, and was released. So fucking what?

[Ethel mermania]

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

after, according to zimmerman, zimmerman cut him off, got out of his car and grabbed him with intent to stop him. In the united states that is assault. According to zimmerman's own account he should lose the protections of stand your ground, and go to jail.

ZImmerman is out on bail now, as he gets the presumption of innoccence before trial, and he has proved that he probably is not a flight risk by turning himself in.

[Ircona]

Even assuming that's true, all Zimmerman had to do was stay in his vehicle and not follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher told him they didn't want him following.

Maybe, I'll yield that one. But that's still no reason for Trayvon to attack him unprovoked.

Oh I don't know. He was alone at night in the rain being followed by an older strange man who was for all he knew armed. Maybe he felt threatened...

[Alowwvia]

Something the matter, chap?

I'm good now, love.

Ah, alright.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

Who?

I forgot.

[Samuraikoku]

I forgot.

I'll wait until you remember, and source it.

[Alowwvia]

I forgot.

I'll wait until you remember, and source it.

I think it might have been that one Senato-- no, wait... that was back in January...

Hmmm...

[Condunum]

Maybe, I'll yield that one. But that's still no reason for Trayvon to attack him unprovoked.

Oh I don't know. He was alone at night in the rain being followed by an older strange man who was for all he knew armed. Maybe he felt threatened...

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

[Tekania]

Except Trayvon Martin wasn't involved in any sort of crime. Nor there was anyone to defend him. Just a guy who called 911, they told him NOT to go vigilante, and he did.

Trayvon Martin pushed someone to the ground and started to beat them.

That's a pretty normal response to result to fighting when attempts to flee a danger fails.

[Wamitoria]

Meh, as long as he doesn't flee this isn't a problem.

[Tekania]

Oh I don't know. He was alone at night in the rain being followed by an older strange man who was for all he knew armed. Maybe he felt threatened...

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

Well, Martin was provoked.... Zimmerman was provocative.

[Wamitoria]

Oh I don't know. He was alone at night in the rain being followed by an older strange man who was for all he knew armed. Maybe he felt threatened...

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

Having somebody flash their gun at you is grounds for defending oneself.

[Farnhamia]

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

Having somebody flash their gun at you is grounds for defending oneself.

In Florida, anyway.

[Desperate Measures]

Having somebody flash their gun at you is grounds for defending oneself.

In Florida, anyway.

Some laws aren't the best for self-preservation.

And also, not sure if it was noted:
Police chief in Trayvon case to resign permanently today
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 5XBeqtYunc

Edit 2: Apparently they are not accepting his resignation. Or something.

[Tekania]

Having somebody flash their gun at you is grounds for defending oneself.

In Florida, anyway.

Hell, flashing your gun at other people may be grounds for self-defense in Florida.

[Salandriagado]

Oh I don't know. He was alone at night in the rain being followed by an older strange man who was for all he knew armed. Maybe he felt threatened...

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

"A man with a gun followed me through the streets and grabbed ahold of me", however, is a perfectly good reason.

[Ethel mermania]

In Florida, anyway.

Hell, flashing your gun at other people may be grounds for self-defense in Florida.

It is in new york.

[Condunum]

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

"A man with a gun followed me through the streets and grabbed ahold of me", however, is a perfectly good reason.

Did I say it wasn't?

[Tekania]

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

"A man with a gun followed me through the streets and grabbed ahold of me", however, is a perfectly good reason.

Well, he was back while wearing a hoodie.... he was asking for it.

(This is known as the "she was asking for it defense")

[Condunum]

Unprovoked attack is not justifiable, period. "He looked suspicious" is not acceptable, for either party.

Well, Martin was provoked.... Zimmerman was provocative.

That holds no weight on my statement. Durr.

[Englia (Ancient)]

Good; fair bail and whatnot.

[Delator]

So if I don't rush to the defense of any black person who's been involved in any sort of crime, I'm a racist?

Trayvon got what he deserved.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug.

You don't have to defend anyone...but next time, if you don't want to be called a racist, perhaps keep your mouth shut?

[Tmutarakhan]

So if I don't rush to the defense of any black person who's been involved in any sort of crime, I'm a racist?

Trayvon got what he deserved.

I applaud Zimmerman for ending the life of a thug.

You don't have to defend anyone...but next time, if you don't want to be called a racist, perhaps keep your mouth shut?

Thomas Paine said it best

[AiliailiA]

I support bailing ANYONE who isn't likely to re-offend or abscond. It should be bail they can afford, too. About a half million Americans are in jail at any one time, unable to make bail and not yet tried in court.

[Arkinesia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q_zmTNsKc&feature=g-logo&context=G23cc688FOAAAAAAAAAA

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody. Not sure if there is a thread on this topic already.

This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive that he shot an un-armed kid and it looks like he is getting off with barely a slap on the wrist! I'll bet every dollar I have that had Martin been white this wouldn't have even been an issue, Zimmerman would be in jail and we would have never heard of him or martin.

do you have any idea how bail works?

and all the evidence points to TrayTray assaulting zimmerman. Self defense is legal in civilized countries.

the sad thing? this reaction is... stale..
people seriously dont understand bail..

All the evidence?

Please, divulge all this evidence that the State of Florida clearly doesn't have if they are charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder!

[Risottia]

Last night George Zimmerman was freed from police custody.
...
This is fucking horseshit. What the fuck are they playing at? The evidence is pretty conclusive

...still he hasn't been sentenced yet. And if the local laws state the suspect of a crime can be freed upon certain conditions, and the judiciary verifies such conditions are met, it's only fair.

I object to the local laws and the conditions they set, though, not to the decision of freeing him itself. I'd guess there's still a reasonable chance that he'll try and escape before the trial - that would be enough to keep him in jail imo. There's also a reasonable chance he could be killed by vigilantes, as there's a group that has openly placed a price on his head iirc.