The Slavic Thread!

[Sudenbergreich]

Oh, there's an Austrian here? Whoa, this is going to be a real party!
Which would y'all have preferred -- the Austrian (and later Austro-Hungarian) Empire, or the Ottoman Empire?

The Austrians...I honestly don't know much about how they treated their Slavic subjects, but I do know that the Hungarians were given their own parliament eventually, and along with that the right to oppress other groups who wanted out of the Empire.

We never saw them as "subjects", just a non-autonomous part of the Empire. In the same sense how the British saw India or Australia at the time. Our treatment of the Slavs wasn't the best, sure; but we were still better than the Ottomans.

[Shofercia]

You're thinking of unity as in "all governments form megazord". That's not what we're going for. EU membership is odd, because that would mean handing our national sovereignty over to a bank that just screwed over Greece, so I'm not sure if that'll help, prolly not. It's not about states united, it's about people starting to feel comfy with one another, and defending one another, and if that helps our governments sort their shit out - why not? But that will be a side effect, not the main purpose.

Nor will linguistics be a barrier, because we respect each others' languages, and being multi-lingual is part of being Slavic

I am trying to say it isn't the 'goal', but the journey. European Union membership or the suggestion of it, has encouraged Slavic states to put grievances aside and work together.

To an extent I guess. The Council of Europe does that better

Plus, I wouldn't want Russia in the EU

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Plus, I wouldn't want Russia in the EU

Agreed. Cooperation, sure. Membership, no.

[New Rogernomics]

I am trying to say it isn't the 'goal', but the journey. European Union membership or the suggestion of it, has encouraged Slavic states to put grievances aside and work together.

To an extent I guess. The Council of Europe does that better

Plus, I wouldn't want Russia in the EU

Well, I think Russia has too many internal problems to gain membership regardless; then there is the issue of the ongoing conflict in Chechnya, corruption and the Russian political system. Russia has always been unable to decide whether it is in Europe or Asia; so I think it will always be incompatible and have to follow it's own path.

[Disserbia]

Well that would depend upon a few things, in general I feel like a kid in a candy store though. Anyway I like Turkey as a country, and I might be going there for my internship.

You're not going to chicken out, right?

All the puns are starting to remind me of yesterday so maybe because I'm not really hungary anymore.

[Mehden]

That isn't all Slavic nations united as one (either in alliance or in a physical sense), and I seem to remember the Ottoman Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire were both blocks on Slavic unity for a significant amount of time; as well as the Balkan wars. I am not trying to be an ass, but I disagree with the concept that Slavic unity is achievable or that it has been achievable in the past.

Neither was Yugoslavia all Slavic states, but you used that as an example for a failed attempt at Slavic unity
on whole, which the formation of that state had little to do with, in actuallity, the idea of Pan-Slavism (though
it was certainly a pretense).

As Shofercia pointed out, autonomy and sovereignty are tennets of the concept. I actually first
came into the thread echoing your sentiments, that I don't see it happening any time soon on account of grievances
from the last couple centuries, but my stance is that there is enough cultural familiarity among Slavic states that
at some point soon, some loose cooperative is a possibility.

Not exactly hard evidence, I know, but take for example some of the themes listed throughout the thread under what
people like most about Slavic culture. It's likely that each list can be applied to any individual Slavic state and
be said, with a fair degree of accuracy, to be true prevalent cultural characteristics of those states. Yes, there
are certainly other cultural factors that mitigate the strength of that familiarity, but I don't think those factors are
enough to totally sink the ship.

[Shofercia]

To an extent I guess. The Council of Europe does that better

Plus, I wouldn't want Russia in the EU

Well, I think Russia has too many internal problems to gain membership regardless; then there is the issue of the ongoing conflict in Chechnya, corruption and the Russian political system. Russia has always been unable to decide whether it is in Europe or Asia; so I think it will always be incompatible and have to follow it's own path.

The Second Chechen War has been over for quite some time. As for corruption, that's been decreasing, and some other countries that are in the EU have more. Russia's in the Council of Europe, and also in SCO. My big issue is that I don't want ECB and EU Bureaucracy controlling, or even having a major say in, Russia's natural resources, or Russia's Policies.

[Sudenbergreich]

Also: It wasn't just Slavs who were in the Empire, as this map stolen off wikipedia explains.

[Scholencia]

the slavs have already choosen their pan-union and that is the eu. it gives them stability, protection, economic growth and what so ever.

There are still some Slavs that haven't joined the EU yet. Russia and Belarus have joined the Eurasian Union.

Because thoose Slavs are not democratic and they cannot join the EU. it would be interesting to see the reactions if they were offered to join.

speak for yourself.

Poland, slovakia, Czech Republic, Malta etc. have had all referendums in which they could decide if they want to merge with the EU or not. The majority of the Slavs decided to join the EU and to live in harmony with their other european nations. There also clues that even more Slavs will join the EU in future. You cannot do against the peoples will.

[Kemaliste]

Well that would depend upon a few things, in general I feel like a kid in a candy store though. Anyway I like Turkey as a country, and I might be going there for my internship.

You're not going to chicken out, right?

[Scholencia]

Oh, there's an Austrian here? Whoa, this is going to be a real party!
Which would y'all have preferred -- the Austrian (and later Austro-Hungarian) Empire, or the Ottoman Empire?

The Austrians...I honestly don't know much about how they treated their Slavic subjects, but I do know that the Hungarians were given their own parliament eventually, and along with that the right to oppress other groups who wanted out of the Empire.

We never saw them as "subjects", just a non-autonomous part of the Empire. In the same sense how the British saw India or Australia at the time. Our treatment of the Slavs wasn't the best, sure; but we were still better than the Ottomans.

Actually, the Hungarians were tho one who threaten them bad. Sure, Austria had also some failures to but that was in the 18th and early 19th century. By the end of the 19th century they were quite good and gave the Poles autonomy, in Bohemia they established industry (to thanks to Czechoslovakia became the most industrial developed country in Europe during the 20ies and 30ies). There was even plans to reform the monarchy into some kind "united states"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... er_Austria

Archduke Ferdinand wanted to do that but unfortunately he was killed by serbian nationalists.

[Mehden]

We never saw them as "subjects", just a non-autonomous part of the Empire. In the same sense how the British saw India or Australia at the time. Our treatment of the Slavs wasn't the best, sure; but we were still better than the Ottomans.

Actually, the Hungarians were tho one who threaten them bad. Sure, Austria had also some failures to but that was in the 18th and early 19th century. By the end of the 19th century they were quite good and gave the Poles autonomy, in Bohemia they established industry (to thanks to Czechoslovakia became the most industrial developed country in Europe during the 20ies and 30ies). There was even plans to reform the monarchy into some kind "united states"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... er_Austria

Archduke Ferdinand wanted to do that but unfortunately he was killed by serbian nationalists.

Dem Serbs. Always with the throwing of their wrenches into things!

[Scholencia]

Actually, the Hungarians were tho one who threaten them bad. Sure, Austria had also some failures to but that was in the 18th and early 19th century. By the end of the 19th century they were quite good and gave the Poles autonomy, in Bohemia they established industry (to thanks to Czechoslovakia became the most industrial developed country in Europe during the 20ies and 30ies). There was even plans to reform the monarchy into some kind "united states"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... er_Austria

Archduke Ferdinand wanted to do that but unfortunately he was killed by serbian nationalists.

Dem Serbs. Always with the throwing of their wrenches into things!

Sorry for hurting your feelings, of course many things are made up.

[Risottia]

I shall take over pizza production if needed. In fact I here by challenge Risottia to a pizza making contest.

SRR v Ris on making Italian-Slavic themed Pizzas? This is going to be good. Whoever loses, I still win!

*pats stomach*

Too easy. The Italian-flag-style pizza has already been made, and it's the Pizza Margherita - named after Queen Margherita di Savoia: basil for green, mozzarella for white and tomato for red.

Considering that the Slavic flags often sport white-red-blue, the problem would be finding something blue for a Panslavic pizza... caviar is either reddish or black. Maybe some Czech cheese with a bluish mould? I have to think about that.

[Mehden]

Dem Serbs. Always with the throwing of their wrenches into things!

Sorry for hurting your feelings, of course many things are made up.

Kidding

[Scholencia]

Sorry for hurting your feelings, of course many things are made up.

Kidding

me too

[Soviet Russia Republic]

There are still some Slavs that haven't joined the EU yet. Russia and Belarus have joined the Eurasian Union.

Because thoose Slavs are not democratic and they cannot join the EU. it would be interesting to see the reactions if they were offered to join.

If EU membership was offered to Russia right now, it most likely would be shot down. It would lack the public support needed (most polls I've seen show support for the idea of joining at around 40%), nor politicians support it, especially those of the opposition groups. It's not a good idea anyway to go behind something that doesn't how major support, you tend to lose elections that way. Besides, Russia is already in the Customs Union and with the goal of having the Eurasian Union up and running in a few years.

[Risottia]

Russia is already in the Customs Union and with the goal of having the Eurasian Union up and running in a few years.

The Eurasian Union shall be assimilated. We are have the Borg! (aka the Swedes)

[Kemaliste]

Because thoose Slavs are not democratic and they cannot join the EU. it would be interesting to see the reactions if they were offered to join.

If EU membership was offered to Russia right now, it most likely would be shot down. It would lack the public support needed (most polls I've seen show support for the idea of joining at around 40%), nor politicians support it, especially those of the opposition groups. It's not a good idea anyway to go behind something that doesn't how major support, you tend to lose elections that way. Besides, Russia is already in the Customs Union and with the goal of having the Eurasian Union up and running in a few years.

I hope Putin is sincere about the Eurasian Union project. It should be actualized as soon as possible.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

If EU membership was offered to Russia right now, it most likely would be shot down. It would lack the public support needed (most polls I've seen show support for the idea of joining at around 40%), nor politicians support it, especially those of the opposition groups. It's not a good idea anyway to go behind something that doesn't how major support, you tend to lose elections that way. Besides, Russia is already in the Customs Union and with the goal of having the Eurasian Union up and running in a few years.

I hope Putin is sincere about the Eurasian Union project. It should be actualized as soon as possible.

I think he is very sincere about it. I'm sure it will be one of his main goals during his third term, it would be a huge success for him to help make the Eurasian Union a reality. I'm hoping the goal of having it by 2015 is met, but worry it may be a couple more years after.

[Sudenbergreich]

Dem Serbs. Always with the throwing of their wrenches bombs into things!

A bomb was the original weapon used to try to assassinate Franz Ferdinand, but it was badly miscued.

Actually, the Hungarians were tho one who threaten them bad. Sure, Austria had also some failures to but that was in the 18th and early 19th century. By the end of the 19th century they were quite good and gave the Poles autonomy, in Bohemia they established industry (to thanks to Czechoslovakia became the most industrial developed country in Europe during the 20ies and 30ies). There was even plans to reform the monarchy into some kind "united states"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... er_Austria

Archduke Ferdinand wanted to do that but unfortunately he was killed by serbian nationalists.

The Hungarians wished to kind of "pin the Slavs down while they could". They knew industrial projects in different areas of the Empire would one day create a push for autonomy and independence, and didn't want to risk being surrounded by ambitious nations. Austria wanted to further development, whereas Hungary was more or less scared of the future.

[Kemaliste]

I hope Putin is sincere about the Eurasian Union project. It should be actualized as soon as possible.

I think he is very sincere about it. I'm sure it will be one of his main goals during his third term, it would be a huge success for him to help make the Eurasian Union a reality. I'm hoping the goal of having it by 2015 is met, but worry it may be a couple more years after.

China, North Korea, Iran and Syria, as well as Southeast Asian countries should be included. It would be much bigger and stronger. I hope my country joins it as well, once we get rid of the current government and replace it with a Kemalist one...

[L Ron Cupboard]

Considering that the Slavic flags often sport white-red-blue, the problem would be finding something blue for a Panslavic pizza... caviar is either reddish or black. Maybe some Czech cheese with a bluish mould? I have to think about that.

Borage flowers

[Miasto Lodz]

Considering that the Slavic flags often sport white-red-blue, the problem would be finding something blue for a Panslavic pizza... caviar is either reddish or black. Maybe some Czech cheese with a bluish mould? I have to think about that.

Silesian modro kapusta.

[Disserbia]

Poland, slovakia, Czech Republic, Malta etc. have had all referendums in which they could decide if they want to merge with the EU or not. The majority of the Slavs decided to join the EU and to live in harmony with their other european nations. There also clues that even more Slavs will join the EU in future. You cannot do against the peoples will.

My problem is with how you worded it. Its nice to hear your opinion though.