The Slavic Thread!

[Bordurian]

the slavs have already choosen their pan-union and that is the eu. it gives them stability, protection, economic growth and what so ever.

There are still some Slavs that haven't joined the EU yet. Russia and Belarus have joined the Eurasian Union.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

There are still some Slavs that haven't joined the EU yet. Russia and Belarus have joined the Eurasian Union.

Well, just working towards the forming of the Eurasian Union right now. Though, the two are in the Customs Union right now, along with Kazakhstan.

[Carmadin]

Greetings Comrades! Руддщ сщькфвуы, рщц фку нщг. Ша фтнщту цфтеы ещ иу шт кзпы ин еру цфн фыл Ш рфму дшлу шму кзпы.

Ruddshch sshch'kfvuy rshchts fku nshchg sha ftnshchtu tsftey eshch iu sht kzpy in ery tsfn fyl sh rfmu dshlu shmu kzpy to you too.

[Mehden]

I think 'vague' is a little off mark. Even if the ancestry is as nebulous to be considered vague, Slavic culture across states is generally lockstep, and that factor is really the engine behind the concept of Pan-Slavism. States' certain autonomy and sovereignty, as I understand, is still an important principle, which it wasn't so much with Yugoslavia. I don't know enough about Pan-Turkism to comment, but as you included it with Yugoslavia, I assume it's something of a troubled ideology; if that's the case, I think their religious, political, and geopolitical issues are entirely too different a creature to be used in contrast with Pan-Slavism.

Hardly, equating a group as the same based on race ignores cultural and religious differences. Slavic unity was tried before and it failed with the break up of Yugoslavia, a sign of the significant differences between one slavic group and another. You can't call Slavs the same, any more than you can western Europeans the same; what you are suggesting is that the British are French and the French are British because they share ancestry and traditions. A notion which is amusing, reminds me of the disastrous attempts at Arab unity or Pan-Turkism, and attempts at Slavic unity have been just as disastrous.

Every nation has differences, racial theory is cultural not backed up by science, indeed there are slight genetic differences, but not enough to proclaim we are so divergent to be as different species i.e. differences in how fat is stored, skin pigmentation, facial structure and muscle development (according those that subscribe to the notion that Polynesians are genetically ideal for rugby).

I never equated any configuration of Slavic peoples as 'the same' (a gross generalization that I’d be the first to admit is wrong), nor did I say anything about race, or racial theory. The word was 'ancestry,' and my point was that vague or not, the idea is moreso based on a shared culture and historical memory, which nations of 'Slavic' origin have. The ancestry thing is just a garnish.

Comparing French culture to British culture is not the same as comparing, for example, Polish and Russian culture, which is the fallacious argument Disserbia pointed out. I agree, the French and British have an entirely different cultural identity. The Poles and Russkis, on the other hand, aren't so dissimilar. Your relativist dismissal of the concept is the type of oversimplification that you've lodged I'm guilty of, and only exposes your loose, wiki-based familiarity with the subject matter.

Don't encourage me lol its pun time in the Muslim thread too. Death by puns!

*encourages*
I’m sure the hardliners just love you there, what with you sharia stories of your love for intoxication. I bet they think with enough encouragement of their own, they can be Quran you of your sinful ways!

[Ivan Norvi Kotowlzki]

Greetings Comrades! Руддщ сщькфвуы, рщц фку нщг. Ша фтнщту цфтеы ещ иу шт кзпы ин еру цфн фыл Ш рфму дшлу шму кзпы.

Ruddshch sshch'kfvuy rshchts fku nshchg sha ftnshchtu tsftey eshch iu sht kzpy in ery tsfn fyl sh rfmu dshlu shmu kzpy to you too.

I said in English: Hello Comrades, how are you? And by the way if any of you want to be in rpg's just ask because I have a lot of rpg's.

[Bering]

Ruddshch sshch'kfvuy rshchts fku nshchg sha ftnshchtu tsftey eshch iu sht kzpy in ery tsfn fyl sh rfmu dshlu shmu kzpy to you too.

I said in English: Hello Comrades, how are you? And by the way if any of you want to be in rpg's just ask because I have a lot of rpg's.

Well I for one am Bosnian and don't know Cyrillic

[Shofercia]

Vaguely ancestral roots? Funny how all of us have very similar legends of creations, and very similar cultures. Additionally, we've undergone similar pressures, and survived similar trials; just in the past century, we've had to deal with inept Communist Governments, gangster Capitalist Governments, and worst of all - Nazism. We've got a lot more in common than say a random group wanting something random. Additionally, our cultures, as Mehden pointed out, are very close to one another.

Nor are we trying to create a super-state, or a megazord. Now don't get me wrong, we'd love to see Power Girls (and boys,) of various Slavic countries fight against the evils of inept Communist Governments and gangster Capitalist Governments, and we're generally up for forming that proverbial megazord, but as for creating one country - no thanks. The one country thingy might have worked in the 1800s, but right now, we don't trust each others' governments, and after inept Communism and gangster Capitalism, I can understand why.

Pan-Slavism has two main objectives: get Slavs to defend each other, whenever, wherever, and get Slavs to party together, whenever, wherever. That's it. Of course, that's a lot, and with past prejudices, established by our past governments, we've got a long road ahead, but it's an exciting and worthwhile road to travel!

I don't see how any concept of Slavic unity is possible, the nation-state acts as a source of division as does economics and politics; there are many historical and territorial grievances throughout Europe, many of those are held by Slavic states against other Slavic states. This undermines the whole concept of 'Pan-Slavism', just as Pan-Arabism and Pan-Turkish-ism is undermined by religious, cultural and economic differences despite what you describe. Merely because a racial group shares traits or even traditions does not create unity; the best case of Slavic disunity is the corrupt and authoritarian government of 'Macedonia' which declares itself 'Macedonian' and actively discriminates against other Slavic groups.

Further note: As an internationalist I oppose artificial race division, there is no such thing as 'race'; there are only different cultures, religions and ideological groups. The notion of race division was one of the causes of the first world war, second world war and the Yugoslavian war; frankly the world doesn't need a repeat. The sooner race theory dies off the better.

Not really. The grievances are with our governments, not amongst ourselves, and Pan-Slavism only requires that our governments not attack each other, which they can't do under CoE and EAU rules, anyways. Pan-Slavism promotes Slavic Culture and Slavic Unity; it doesn't enhance any Slavic Government that's seeking to either destabilize Slavic Culture, or destabilize Slavic Unity. And yes - we have retarded governments. But Slavs aren't the same as Slavic Governments. For instance Czechoslovakia has yet to have a decent government, fucking Brezhnev. Russians didn't have a good government, for at least a century. We're used to working with crappy governments. The fact that some of our governments are decent, is already awesome

Additionally, we're not excluding anyone solely on the basis of race. If you want to participate, learn Slavic Culture, and join the festivities

Pan-Slavism is primarily culture-driven. We're tired of being forced to fight each other, cause inept communism/gangster capitalism led us to idiot governments. We're tired of having our taxes go to enrich those in government, instead of being spent on services, like schools with a rich Slavic Humanities Program. We're tired of fucking stagnation, of answering to unknown banks, or massive corporations. We're tired of all that shit. We want to live as our culture would have us live. And if you want in, pick up War and Peace, pick up the Adventures of Shveikh, pick up Pushkin's Poems, or other great Slavic writings and come on in!

I mean, look, Ris feels at home here, as he should, cause he gets our culture. It'd be foolish for us to limit it just to race. Besides, if we did that, who'd cook us pizza?

Edit: just to address your points on religion: we're ok with religious integration. We're ok with religious separation. As long as your religion doesn't mess with my religion, I'm ok with that. We're ok with that. I get along with Slavic Muslims. They get along with me. And then we all party in Kazan

[Soviet Russia Republic]

...I mean, look, Ris feels at home here, as he should, cause he gets our culture. It'd be foolish for us to limit it just to race. Besides, if we did that, who'd cook us pizza?

I shall take over pizza production if needed. In fact I here by challenge Risottia to a pizza making contest.

[Shofercia]

...I mean, look, Ris feels at home here, as he should, cause he gets our culture. It'd be foolish for us to limit it just to race. Besides, if we did that, who'd cook us pizza?

I shall take over pizza production if needed. In fact I here by challenge Risottia to a pizza making contest.

SRR v Ris on making Italian-Slavic themed Pizzas? This is going to be good. Whoever loses, I still win!

*pats stomach*

[Saruhan]

I shall take over pizza production if needed. In fact I here by challenge Risottia to a pizza making contest.

SRR v Ris on making Italian-Slavic themed Pizzas? This is going to be good. Whoever loses, I still win!

*pats stomach*

But would it be a modern or original style pizza? I mean if Ris only has the Italian Flag to do and SSR has all the Slavic nations, it's not exactly fair is it?

[Shofercia]

SRR v Ris on making Italian-Slavic themed Pizzas? This is going to be good. Whoever loses, I still win!

*pats stomach*

But would it be a modern or original style pizza? I mean if Ris only has the Italian Flag to do and SSR has all the Slavic nations, it's not exactly fair is it?

Ris can use Slavic Nations, we don't discriminate

Especially when that means more pizza for me

[Saruhan]

But would it be a modern or original style pizza? I mean if Ris only has the Italian Flag to do and SSR has all the Slavic nations, it's not exactly fair is it?

Ris can use Slavic Nations, we don't discriminate

So we'll have two Poland pizza's then?

[Shofercia]

Ris can use Slavic Nations, we don't discriminate

So we'll have two Poland pizza's then?

I see wat u did thar!

[Saruhan]

So we'll have two Poland pizza's then?

I see wat u did thar!

Well, where would you get toppings the right colour of blue for the Russian, Serbian, etc flags? Chernobyl?

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

Y'know, maybe it's just that I don't like nationalism in general, but I think it's very interesting to see that a big part of national identity is its exclusiveness. For example, a big part of being Irish is being not English. For many groups in the Balkans as well (especially the Serbs), a big part of their identity is being not Turkish.
And those in the Balkans can be (mostly) united by their hatred of the Turks. So, as a Turk, I feel as though it's my duty to just drop by and say hello.

[Saruhan]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaa, the Ottomans are nosing around again

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

I'm good with Turkey as it is right now. ^^ Though I still want to see a great deal of further improvement in relations with Turkey.

[Disserbia]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

Y'know, maybe it's just that I don't like nationalism in general, but I think it's very interesting to see that a big part of national identity is its exclusiveness. For example, a big part of being Irish is being not English. For many groups in the Balkans as well (especially the Serbs), a big part of their identity is being not Turkish.
And those in the Balkans can be (mostly) united by their hatred of the Turks. So, as a Turk, I feel as though it's my duty to just drop by and say hello.

Its a big part of everyone's identity to not be Turkish or English unless they're Turkish or English. Anyway there was some Austrian guy in here a while back so you two can go sit in a corner and compare whose empire was bigger and whose lasted longer, or you can join the party.

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaa, the Ottomans are nosing around again

Oh, you're not still on that whole Crimean War fiasco, are you? Because that wasn't much fun for us, either...still, we won! Ha!...even though we had a ton of help.

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

I'm good with Turkey as it is right now. ^^ Though I still want to see a great deal of further improvement in relations with Turkey.

Oh, and I'm fine with the Slavs.
What country are you from?

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

Y'know, maybe it's just that I don't like nationalism in general, but I think it's very interesting to see that a big part of national identity is its exclusiveness. For example, a big part of being Irish is being not English. For many groups in the Balkans as well (especially the Serbs), a big part of their identity is being not Turkish.
And those in the Balkans can be (mostly) united by their hatred of the Turks. So, as a Turk, I feel as though it's my duty to just drop by and say hello.

Its a big part of everyone's identity to not be Turkish or English unless they're Turkish or English. Anyway there was some Austrian guy in here a while back so you two can go sit in a corner and compare whose empire was bigger and whose lasted longer, or you can join the party.

Oh, there's an Austrian here? Whoa, this is going to be a real party!
Which would y'all have preferred -- the Austrian (and later Austro-Hungarian) Empire, or the Ottoman Empire?
The Ottomans did have that whole devşirme thing, but we also gave you nominal independence over internal affairs with the millet system. The Austrians...I honestly don't know much about how they treated their Slavic subjects, but I do know that the Hungarians were given their own parliament eventually, and along with that the right to oppress other groups who wanted out of the Empire.

[Velerik]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

Diiiiiiiid somebody say "Ottoman"?

Chechen reporting!

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Hey everyone, as a Turk, it's my duty to stick my nose into your business.
So, how are you doing? Miss the good ol' days of the Ottoman Empire~?

Diiiiiiiid somebody say "Ottoman"?

Chechen reporting!

Barış, seninle yoldaş olmak! Ben bir Müslüman olduğunu varsayalım, ve ben yanılıyorsam üzgünüm. Memnun oldum!

[Saruhan]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaa, the Ottomans are nosing around again

Oh, you're not still on that whole Crimean War fiasco, are you? Because that wasn't much fun for us, either...still, we won! Ha!...even though we had a ton of help.

That modern? Nah, i'm still in 1459


Seriously though, you're not that bad. We had our days though

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Oh, and I'm fine with the Slavs.
What country are you from?

Cool.
Russia Federation. Though adopted into anther country, I hope to return shortly after school though.

[Saruhan]

Diiiiiiiid somebody say "Ottoman"?

Chechen reporting!

Barış, seninle yoldaş olmak! Ben bir Müslüman olduğunu varsayalım, ve ben yanılıyorsam üzgünüm. Memnun oldum!

Why'd I read that as musselman?

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Oh, you're not still on that whole Crimean War fiasco, are you? Because that wasn't much fun for us, either...still, we won! Ha!...even though we had a ton of help.

That modern? Nah, i'm still in 1459


Seriously though, you're not that bad. We had our days though

Ooh...yeah, we did have that whole Golden Horde thing, though. Really sorry about that. But don't worry -- Tamerlane was so awful, even we don't like him.

"The Turks are a people of conquest, but also of justice! We weren't generally oppressive conquerers--"
"What about Tamerlane?"
"Ugh, that bastard's a Mongol."