The Slavic Thread!

[Melas]

Slavs are awesome,if they werent so busy killing each other and denying the are the same people they would be even cooler

[New Rogernomics]

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

[Bering]

Slavs are awesome,if they werent so busy killing each other and denying the are the same people they would be even cooler

But that is what makes us so special.
And we lose all those stereotypes we have of each other

[Mehden]

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

I think 'vague' is a little off mark. Even if the ancestry is as nebulous to be considered vague, Slavic culture across states is generally lockstep, and that factor is really the engine behind the concept of Pan-Slavism. States' certain autonomy and sovereignty, as I understand, is still an important principle, which it wasn't so much with Yugoslavia. I don't know enough about Pan-Turkism to comment, but as you included it with Yugoslavia, I assume it's something of a troubled ideology; if that's the case, I think their religious, political, and geopolitical issues are entirely too different a creature to be used in contrast with Pan-Slavism.

[Shofercia]

Czech Republic is easy to pun. Try a pun with Herzegovina, or Montenegro

I urge you to think very hard about if you want to encourage that.

You know, considering that you thought of that before I did, I think that says something about your mind

Nation Name: Pretty Awesome Persons
Nation Link: Click
Nationality: Rather not say...
Your views on Pan-Slavism: Why not?
Your views on Slavic Countries: Beautiful countries, really like that they've preserved their culture well for the most part
Your views on Slavic Governments: From what my girlfriend tells me, the former Yugoslavia governments are pretty corrupt, but they're just in the rebuilding process. They're probably better than the Yugoslavia government ever was, anyway.
Languages that you speak: English, Spanish, French and I'm awful at Croatian
Which country/state do you live in: Currently live in NYC
Where were you born: NYC
Your favorite thing about Slavic Culture: History and food
Favorite book/author/movie/music/etc: Brothers Karamazov/Dostoyevsky

I don't know much about slavic movies or music, sorry

Alright, you love Slavic History, that makes you a totally awesome person!

See what I there?

If you want to impress the girlfriend, read up on the Plomin Tablet, one of the earlier Croatian pieces of architecture that was found. Also, Tito was a Croat, and Tito's a good guy.

Damn dude - you're all over the place

Welcome to the thread

Why Romania?

1) Not a dude (unless Yugoslav doctors lied to my parents upon my birth. The bastards!
2) Thank you!
3) Played footie/soccer in Cluj as a teenager. Still have many friends there

Another Slavic Girl? Even better! And yeah, soccer is our past time, where our yard teams are just as good as our national teams, at least that's true in the case of Russia atm

What's your fave thing about Cluj?

well we do tend to concentrate around the great lakes for some reason...

Perhaps it reminds us of the Adriatic?

Rename it to the Great Adriatic Lakes!

Slavs are awesome,if they werent so busy killing each other and denying the are the same people they would be even cooler

Thank you! And the point of this thread is to promote Pan-Slavism, so that we'd party together, instead of killing each other, cause I think that'll work best for all of the sides involved.

[Shofercia]

The part about the corruption in the Yugoslav govt is debatable.
Really it all went to hell the moment Tito died, (at least that is what my Family told me)

corruption has always been there. yugoslavia had this system called selfgoverning socialism (i dont know how it is called on english but this is the literal translation) . on head of every company was a group of people who make decisions about the companies policy. the expert part (productions, material suppling...) was in charge of the workers. the first group were in fact just beraucrats, they wete put on the top by the Central Comitee and they actually corrupt. when the privatisation of the companies started at the begin of the 90ies they were the one who led the privatisation. they wete mostly sell the companies to their friends for less money or even they self buy it.

since they habent got the adequat knowledge to led a compqny it would go bankrupt and corrption had rissen

Right - shell companies were fairly common during the turbulent 1990's in Eastern Europe, where democracy meant "make as many offshore banking accounts with stolen state assets as you can". But that didn't start happening until after Yugoslavia fell apart, at least not on a massive scale. And if we had a massive Pan-Slavic movement in those times, we might've caught some of the crooks, before they fled.

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

Vaguely ancestral roots? Funny how all of us have very similar legends of creations, and very similar cultures. Additionally, we've undergone similar pressures, and survived similar trials; just in the past century, we've had to deal with inept Communist Governments, gangster Capitalist Governments, and worst of all - Nazism. We've got a lot more in common than say a random group wanting something random. Additionally, our cultures, as Mehden pointed out, are very close to one another.

Nor are we trying to create a super-state, or a megazord. Now don't get me wrong, we'd love to see Power Girls (and boys,) of various Slavic countries fight against the evils of inept Communist Governments and gangster Capitalist Governments, and we're generally up for forming that proverbial megazord, but as for creating one country - no thanks. The one country thingy might have worked in the 1800s, but right now, we don't trust each others' governments, and after inept Communism and gangster Capitalism, I can understand why.

Pan-Slavism has two main objectives: get Slavs to defend each other, whenever, wherever, and get Slavs to party together, whenever, wherever. That's it. Of course, that's a lot, and with past prejudices, established by our past governments, we've got a long road ahead, but it's an exciting and worthwhile road to travel!

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

I think 'vague' is a little off mark. Even if the ancestry is as nebulous to be considered vague, Slavic culture across states is generally lockstep, and that factor is really the engine behind the concept of Pan-Slavism. States' certain autonomy and sovereignty, as I understand, is still an important principle, which it wasn't so much with Yugoslavia. I don't know enough about Pan-Turkism to comment, but as you included it with Yugoslavia, I assume it's something of a troubled ideology; if that's the case, I think their religious, political, and geopolitical issues are entirely too different a creature to be used in contrast with Pan-Slavism.

You're right - Pan-Slavism ensures that Slavic States retain autonomy, unless we give it up voluntarily, because it forbids Slavic States from attacking other Slavic States, meaning that it would have forbidden Brezhnev's 1968, as well as Stalin's 1939. More importantly, just imagine if we've had a decent Pan-Slavic movement in 1938. Best case scenario - some of us never would've lived under Nazism, and that's really saying something extremely positive. The break up of Yugoslavia, even if it had occurred, would have been as peaceful as that of Czechoslovakia, and Czechoslovakia might not have even broken apart!

[Disserbia]

I urge you to think very hard about if you want to encourage that.

You know, considering that you thought of that before I did, I think that says something about your mind

While I'm Slovene the implications here, I guarantee its not what you think it is...it was far more inappropriate.

[Saruhan]

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

Vaguely ancestral roots? Funny how all of us have very similar legends of creations, and very similar cultures. Additionally, we've undergone similar pressures, and survived similar trials; just in the past century, we've had to deal with inept Communist Governments, gangster Capitalist Governments, and worst of all - Nazism. We've got a lot more in common than say a random group wanting something random. Additionally, our cultures, as Mehden pointed out, are very close to one another.

Nor are we trying to create a super-state, or a megazord. Now don't get me wrong, we'd love to see Power Girls (and boys,) of various Slavic countries fight against the evils of inept Communist Governments and gangster Capitalist Governments, and we're generally up for forming that proverbial megazord, but as for creating one country - no thanks. The one country thingy might have worked in the 1800s, but right now, we don't trust each others' governments, and after inept Communism and gangster Capitalism, I can understand why.

Pan-Slavism has two main objectives: get Slavs to defend each other, whenever, wherever, and get Slavs to party together, whenever, wherever. That's it. Of course, that's a lot, and with past prejudices, established by our past governments, we've got a long road ahead, but it's an exciting and worthwhile road to travel!

And this will be helped along by the vast amounts of high quality alcohol the whole of Slavdom produces

[Shofercia]

You know, considering that you thought of that before I did, I think that says something about your mind

While I'm Slovene the implications here, I guarantee its not what you think it is...it was far more inappropriate.

You aren't helping your case there, chief. You're doing your case a Disserbice

(What? You knew that was coming )

[Disserbia]

While I'm Slovene the implications here, I guarantee its not what you think it is...it was far more inappropriate.

You aren't helping your case there, chief. You're doing your case a Disserbice

(What? You knew that was coming )

I know I'm a trainwreck tonight. Anyway there are a variety of things people do at a crossroads, building a country is just one of them.

God I really help no one knows what I'm talking about.

[Ivania]

I am a Russian slav and proud of my roots!

[Shofercia]

You aren't helping your case there, chief. You're doing your case a Disserbice

(What? You knew that was coming )

I know I'm a trainwreck tonight. Anyway there are a variety of things people do at a crossroads, building a country is just one of them.

God I really help no one knows what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be a gentleman, and not take advantage of you, although, since I know what you're talking about, I easily could. Also, I'm in a good mood

[Disserbia]

I know I'm a trainwreck tonight. Anyway there are a variety of things people do at a crossroads, building a country is just one of them.

God I really help no one knows what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be a gentleman, and not take advantage of you, although, since I know what you're talking about, I easily could. Also, I'm in a good mood

If I had shares I'd give you them. I don't want a 100 year war on my hands at this point.

[Mehden]

I'm going to be a gentleman, and not take advantage of you, although, since I know what you're talking about, I easily could. Also, I'm in a good mood

If I had shares I'd give you them. I don't want a 100 year war on my hands at this point.

Indeed, especially if you have small hands. A war of that size would appear way too intimidating to get practical use, and even moreso if it involves Montenegro.

[New Rogernomics]

Is this one of those threads when diverse people who only share vague ancestral roots try to build a super-state (or rather one or more nations try to force others into a super-state). Oh wait that is Turanism/Pan-Turkism and Yugoslavia.

Continue.

I think 'vague' is a little off mark. Even if the ancestry is as nebulous to be considered vague, Slavic culture across states is generally lockstep, and that factor is really the engine behind the concept of Pan-Slavism. States' certain autonomy and sovereignty, as I understand, is still an important principle, which it wasn't so much with Yugoslavia. I don't know enough about Pan-Turkism to comment, but as you included it with Yugoslavia, I assume it's something of a troubled ideology; if that's the case, I think their religious, political, and geopolitical issues are entirely too different a creature to be used in contrast with Pan-Slavism.

Hardly, equating a group as the same based on race ignores cultural and religious differences. Slavic unity was tried before and it failed with the break up of Yugoslavia, a sign of the significant differences between one slavic group and another. You can't call Slavs the same, any more than you can western Europeans the same; what you are suggesting is that the British are French and the French are British because they share ancestry and traditions. A notion which is amusing, reminds me of the disastrous attempts at Arab unity or Pan-Turkism, and attempts at Slavic unity have been just as disastrous.

Every nation has differences, racial theory is cultural not backed up by science, indeed there are slight genetic differences, but not enough to proclaim we are so divergent to be as different species i.e. differences in how fat is stored, skin pigmentation, facial structure and muscle development (according those that subscribe to the notion that Polynesians are genetically ideal for rugby).

[New Rogernomics]

Vaguely ancestral roots? Funny how all of us have very similar legends of creations, and very similar cultures. Additionally, we've undergone similar pressures, and survived similar trials; just in the past century, we've had to deal with inept Communist Governments, gangster Capitalist Governments, and worst of all - Nazism. We've got a lot more in common than say a random group wanting something random. Additionally, our cultures, as Mehden pointed out, are very close to one another.

Nor are we trying to create a super-state, or a megazord. Now don't get me wrong, we'd love to see Power Girls (and boys,) of various Slavic countries fight against the evils of inept Communist Governments and gangster Capitalist Governments, and we're generally up for forming that proverbial megazord, but as for creating one country - no thanks. The one country thingy might have worked in the 1800s, but right now, we don't trust each others' governments, and after inept Communism and gangster Capitalism, I can understand why.

Pan-Slavism has two main objectives: get Slavs to defend each other, whenever, wherever, and get Slavs to party together, whenever, wherever. That's it. Of course, that's a lot, and with past prejudices, established by our past governments, we've got a long road ahead, but it's an exciting and worthwhile road to travel!

I don't see how any concept of Slavic unity is possible, the nation-state acts as a source of division as does economics and politics; there are many historical and territorial grievances throughout Europe, many of those are held by Slavic states against other Slavic states. This undermines the whole concept of 'Pan-Slavism', just as Pan-Arabism and Pan-Turkish-ism is undermined by religious, cultural and economic differences despite what you describe. Merely because a racial group shares traits or even traditions does not create unity; the best case of Slavic disunity is the corrupt and authoritarian government of 'Macedonia' which declares itself 'Macedonian' and actively discriminates against other Slavic groups.

Further note: As an internationalist I oppose artificial race division, there is no such thing as 'race'; there are only different cultures, religions and ideological groups. The notion of race division was one of the causes of the first world war, second world war and the Yugoslavian war; frankly the world doesn't need a repeat. The sooner race theory dies off the better.

[Scholencia]

the slavs have already choosen their pan-union and that is the eu. it gives them stability, protection, economic growth and what so ever.

[Bering]

Well, we were technically Pan-Slavic under the Warsaw Pact (until Yugoslavia left the group)

[Risottia]

Well, we were technically Pan-Slavic under the Warsaw Pact (until Yugoslavia left the group)

Well, you lacked some Slovenes who had ended up in Italy.

[Bering]

Well, we were technically Pan-Slavic under the Warsaw Pact (until Yugoslavia left the group)

Well, you lacked some Slovenes who had ended up in Italy.

Well the majority were in the pact anyway...and besides the amount that ended up in Italy was not that big...

[Risottia]

Well, you lacked some Slovenes who had ended up in Italy.

Well the majority were in the pact anyway...and besides the amount that ended up in Italy was not that big...

Your lack of empathy for those poor Slavic brothers forced to eat pizza and spaghetti is a real shame.

[Bering]

Well the majority were in the pact anyway...and besides the amount that ended up in Italy was not that big...

Your lack of empathy for those poor Slavic brothers forced to eat pizza and spaghetti is a real shame.

yes I am sure they suffered Vodka/Rakija withdrawal for decades

[Ivan Norvi Kotowlzki]

Greetings Comrades! Руддщ сщькфвуы, рщц фку нщг. Ша фтнщту цфтеы ещ иу шт кзпы ин еру цфн фыл Ш рфму дшлу шму кзпы.

[Saruhan]

Well, we were technically Pan-Slavic under the Warsaw Pact (until Yugoslavia left the group)

But then Yugoslavia was a pretty big part of Slavdom wasn't it?

[Disserbia]

If I had shares I'd give you them. I don't want a 100 year war on my hands at this point.

Indeed, especially if you have small hands. A war of that size would appear way too intimidating to get practical use, and even moreso if it involves Montenegro.

Don't encourage me lol its pun time in the Muslim thread too. Death by puns!

I think you're verging on logical fallacy. I agree with almost everything you said though.

the slavs have already choosen their pan-union and that is the eu. it gives them stability, protection, economic growth and what so ever.

speak for yourself.