The Slavic Thread!

[Abasha]

People, to not quote both of you, let us make a comparison. If say anarchists or communists start a revolt in a capitalistic country and the burgeuouise police starting to supress them, than you would feel sorry for the communists and anarchists? No.

But, what is the differences between the Balkans "revolutionaries" and the Ottomans? Why the hypocrisy?

Revolutionaries aren't an entire group of people and the Balkan people didn't wan to join the Ottoman Empire in the first place. You know, we fought the Battle of Kosovo for our freedom after all. You act like we became their vassals willingly and were fine and dandy with becoming Muslim, which by the way is the ultimate goal of Islam.

You don't know what atrocities the Ottomans did, and undoubtedly they would have eventually tried to cleanse the Balkans like the tried to cleanse the Caucasus. Would you also like to tell me about how the Armenian Genocide never happened?

This spouting off is ignoring the atrocities that happened both during and after the Ottoman conquest. I am glad that my people refused to die like slaves! Zivela Srbija!

[Abasha]

People, to not quote both of you, let us make a comparison. If say anarchists or communists start a revolt in a capitalistic country and the burgeuouise police starting to supress them, than you would feel sorry for the communists and anarchists? No.

But, what is the differences between the Balkans "revolutionaries" and the Ottomans? Why the hypocrisy?

There is no comparison, what are you talking about?

Are you saying that people who laid there lives to create a fair land for their people, people who I am a descendent of, should have been crushed and their dream of establishing a land which their families can live freely without fear of religious persecution? I'm honestly shocked you hold those views, and think it's best to share them in Pan-Slavic thread.

I second this opinion! Religious persecution, ethnic occupation, and freedom to live their own lives were certainly goals that didn't need to be fought for. The Ottomans had no right to be in the Balkans anyways.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

There is no comparison, what are you talking about?

Are you saying that people who laid there lives to create a fair land for their people, people who I am a descendent of, should have been crushed and their dream of establishing a land which their families can live freely without fear of religious persecution? I'm honestly shocked you hold those views, and think it's best to share them in Pan-Slavic thread.

I second this opinion! Religious persecution, ethnic occupation, and freedom to live their own lives were certainly goals that didn't need to be fought for. The Ottomans had no right to be in the Balkans anyways.

implying they even have a right to be on the anatolian peninsula

[Tovarish Stalin]

Arguably Stalin was one of the better Russian leaders in terms of turning a country into a modernized epic power. This being taken into account since you included Putin. Stalin's plans are considered to have flipped a backwards and mockable nation into an industrial powerhouse and world superpower. (And WW2 of course)

I am Russian ! All about Peter the Great ^~^

[Marsisian]

Arguably Stalin was one of the better Russian leaders in terms of turning a country into a modernized epic power. This being taken into account since you included Putin. Stalin's plans are considered to have flipped a backwards and mockable nation into an industrial powerhouse and world superpower. (And WW2 of course)

I am Russian ! All about Peter the Great ^~^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

[Tovarish Stalin]

Arguably Stalin was one of the better Russian leaders in terms of turning a country into a modernized epic power. This being taken into account since you included Putin. Stalin's plans are considered to have flipped a backwards and mockable nation into an industrial powerhouse and world superpower. (And WW2 of course)

I am Russian ! All about Peter the Great ^~^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

I believe you did not get my point. I was saying that since the OP said Putin was the greatest Russian leader since 1883 (Even with putins oppressive policies, albeit not that bad compared to soviets) That Stalin should be thrown in there. Of COURSE he purged, But at the end of the day, Stalin flipped the soviets and is the primary reason they skated by so long.

[Libertarian California]

Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing?

[Shofercia]

Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing?

Nope. But, like WBC, they're very vocal, so... yeah

[Great Kleomentia]

People, to not quote both of you, let us make a comparison. If say anarchists or communists start a revolt in a capitalistic country and the burgeuouise police starting to supress them, than you would feel sorry for the communists and anarchists? No.

But, what is the differences between the Balkans "revolutionaries" and the Ottomans? Why the hypocrisy?

You really are insulting me and my ancestors who freed their land. Ill try to get it through that thick skull of yours one more time.
THE OTTOMANS SAVAGELY KILLED AND OPPRESSED THE BALKANS PEOPLE. NO ONE LIKES THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ASSHOLES AND DENIED BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO THEIR VASSALS. THE ONLY REASONS WE FOUGHT FOR YOU WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO. Do you not understand how vassals work? Just because they fight for you, never means that they likes you. The Balkan people never liked the Ottomans because they were the Nazis of the time.

[Wytenigistan]

To much South.
More north.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTilN57YmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_VL6ZYv2bE

Also, why do southern slavs call vodka "rakia"? Even non-slavs agree that it is vodka.

[DrakoLand]

People, to not quote both of you, let us make a comparison. If say anarchists or communists start a revolt in a capitalistic country and the burgeuouise police starting to supress them, than you would feel sorry for the communists and anarchists? No.

But, what is the differences between the Balkans "revolutionaries" and the Ottomans? Why the hypocrisy?

You really are insulting me and my ancestors who freed their land. Ill try to get it through that thick skull of yours one more time.
THE OTTOMANS SAVAGELY KILLED AND OPPRESSED THE BALKANS PEOPLE. NO ONE LIKES THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ASSHOLES AND DENIED BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO THEIR VASSALS. THE ONLY REASONS WE FOUGHT FOR YOU WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO. Do you not understand how vassals work? Just because they fight for you, never means that they likes you. The Balkan people never liked the Ottomans because they were the Nazis of the time.

OMG YOU RACIST ISLAMOPHOBE HOW JEW U LIVE WITH YO SHELF?

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

People, to not quote both of you, let us make a comparison. If say anarchists or communists start a revolt in a capitalistic country and the burgeuouise police starting to supress them, than you would feel sorry for the communists and anarchists? No.

But, what is the differences between the Balkans "revolutionaries" and the Ottomans? Why the hypocrisy?

You really are insulting me and my ancestors who freed their land. Ill try to get it through that thick skull of yours one more time.
THE OTTOMANS SAVAGELY KILLED AND OPPRESSED THE BALKANS PEOPLE. NO ONE LIKES THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ASSHOLES AND DENIED BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO THEIR VASSALS. THE ONLY REASONS WE FOUGHT FOR YOU WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO. Do you not understand how vassals work? Just because they fight for you, never means that they likes you. The Balkan people never liked the Ottomans because they were the Nazis of the time.

Some people fail to understand that people would like to govern themselves. If France decided to invade Sweden and install a government, there would be attempts at removing the ruler. Not because they're francophobic but because it's Sweden and a Frenchman has no right to rule there. Especially if they suppress rights and forbid customs of the native people.

[Great Kleomentia]

You really are insulting me and my ancestors who freed their land. Ill try to get it through that thick skull of yours one more time.
THE OTTOMANS SAVAGELY KILLED AND OPPRESSED THE BALKANS PEOPLE. NO ONE LIKES THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ASSHOLES AND DENIED BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO THEIR VASSALS. THE ONLY REASONS WE FOUGHT FOR YOU WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO. Do you not understand how vassals work? Just because they fight for you, never means that they likes you. The Balkan people never liked the Ottomans because they were the Nazis of the time.

Some people fail to understand that people would like to govern themselves. If France decided to invade Sweden and install a government, there would be attempts at removing the ruler. Not because they're francophobic but because it's Sweden and a Frenchman has no right to rule there. Especially if they suppress rights and forbid customs of the native people.

I would be all for restoring Byzantium. But only if every ethnicity and culture has equal standings and rights. And only if the ruling class would be a mix of every culture. This is how world unity can be created, but certainly not through pure military dictatorship.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

Some people fail to understand that people would like to govern themselves. If France decided to invade Sweden and install a government, there would be attempts at removing the ruler. Not because they're francophobic but because it's Sweden and a Frenchman has no right to rule there. Especially if they suppress rights and forbid customs of the native people.

I would be all for restoring Byzantium. But only if every ethnicity and culture has equal standings and rights. And only if the ruling class would be a mix of every culture. This is how world unity can be created, but certainly not through pure military dictatorship.

Byzantium would have fallen sooner or later, but yeah, they're my favorite empire. If Justinian's Plague never happened it would have definitely extended their existence. It would have been helpful for them to control Venice and essentially most of the Mediterranean. The Catholic Church would also lack a home and the Dark Ages would've been less dark.

Random fact, but if Arabs/Muslims never stepped foot in Europe, our vocabularies would be pretty different. I say our because I use Spanish words with Arab roots all the time, and (although some deny it) ex-Yugoslav languages borrow some vocab.

[Great Kleomentia]

I would be all for restoring Byzantium. But only if every ethnicity and culture has equal standings and rights. And only if the ruling class would be a mix of every culture. This is how world unity can be created, but certainly not through pure military dictatorship.

Byzantium would have fallen sooner or later, but yeah, they're my favorite empire. If Justinian's Plague never happened it would have definitely extended their existence. It would have been helpful for them to control Venice and essentially most of the Mediterranean. The Catholic Church would also lack a home and the Dark Ages would've been less dark.

Random fact, but if Arabs/Muslims never stepped foot in Europe, our vocabularies would be pretty different. I say our because I use Spanish words with Arab roots all the time, and (although some deny it) ex-Yugoslav languages borrow some vocab.

On another note. If the Spanish and catholics didnt push Arabs out of Europe, the Dark ages would be less dark as well.

[EUstan]

I would be all for restoring Byzantium. But only if every ethnicity and culture has equal standings and rights. And only if the ruling class would be a mix of every culture. This is how world unity can be created, but certainly not through pure military dictatorship.

Byzantium would have fallen sooner or later, but yeah, they're my favorite empire. If Justinian's Plague never happened it would have definitely extended their existence. It would have been helpful for them to control Venice and essentially most of the Mediterranean. The Catholic Church would also lack a home and the Dark Ages would've been less dark.

Random fact, but if Arabs/Muslims never stepped foot in Europe, our vocabularies would be pretty different. I say our because I use Spanish words with Arab roots all the time, and (although some deny it) ex-Yugoslav languages borrow some vocab.

There would not be a great scism in first place if Justinians successors never lost Italy.

There are more turkish words in ex-yugoslav languages.

[The Fascist German Union]

Had no idea there were so many Slavs.

Zeite fur Kampf....Krieg....

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

Byzantium would have fallen sooner or later, but yeah, they're my favorite empire. If Justinian's Plague never happened it would have definitely extended their existence. It would have been helpful for them to control Venice and essentially most of the Mediterranean. The Catholic Church would also lack a home and the Dark Ages would've been less dark.

Random fact, but if Arabs/Muslims never stepped foot in Europe, our vocabularies would be pretty different. I say our because I use Spanish words with Arab roots all the time, and (although some deny it) ex-Yugoslav languages borrow some vocab.

On another note. If the Spanish and catholics didnt push Arabs out of Europe, the Dark ages would be less dark as well.

How so? The only reason that the Arabs got info was because they conquered advanced cultures. If they really were good scientists, why are they backwards people now?

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

The primitive martyrs depended on empire, not on intelligence. And while the dark ages might have been lighter, now they would be backwards. Look at the problems

• Arabs invade Europe
• Arabs use up info
• Europe is stuck in dim age

[Great Kleomentia]

Byzantium would have fallen sooner or later, but yeah, they're my favorite empire. If Justinian's Plague never happened it would have definitely extended their existence. It would have been helpful for them to control Venice and essentially most of the Mediterranean. The Catholic Church would also lack a home and the Dark Ages would've been less dark.

Random fact, but if Arabs/Muslims never stepped foot in Europe, our vocabularies would be pretty different. I say our because I use Spanish words with Arab roots all the time, and (although some deny it) ex-Yugoslav languages borrow some vocab.

There would not be a great scism in first place if Justinians successors never lost Italy.

There are more turkish words in ex-yugoslav languages.

Not that many. There are a few of them in day to day language. But not in the literature. Most of Turkish words in Yugoslav languages are about foods tho ^^

On another note. If the Spanish and catholics didnt push Arabs out of Europe, the Dark ages would be less dark as well.

How so? The only reason that the Arabs got info was because they conquered advanced cultures. If they really were good scientists, why are they backwards people now?

Not really. Arabs were significantly more advanced at that age. In culture and science. But then Catholics reconquered Spanish territories and burned down great amounts of libraries.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

There would not be a great scism in first place if Justinians successors never lost Italy.

There are more turkish words in ex-yugoslav languages.

Not that many. There are a few of them in day to day language. But not in the literature. Most of Turkish words in Yugoslav languages are about foods tho ^^

How so? The only reason that the Arabs got info was because they conquered advanced cultures. If they really were good scientists, why are they backwards people now?

Not really. Arabs were significantly more advanced at that age. In culture and science. But then Catholics reconquered Spanish territories and burned down great amounts of libraries.

They were more advanced because they had conquered more advanced civilizations. As soon as they stopped conquering, they were stuck, and most Arabic countries have a wealth of oil yet they're still shitholes without regards for basic women's rights, they execute infidels, and are utterly backwards. At least most Catholic countries are developed now.

[Great Kleomentia]

Not that many. There are a few of them in day to day language. But not in the literature. Most of Turkish words in Yugoslav languages are about foods tho ^^

Not really. Arabs were significantly more advanced at that age. In culture and science. But then Catholics reconquered Spanish territories and burned down great amounts of libraries.

They were more advanced because they had conquered more advanced civilizations. As soon as they stopped conquering, they were stuck, and most Arabic countries have a wealth of oil yet they're still shitholes without regards for basic women's rights, they execute infidels, and are utterly backwards. At least most Catholic countries are developed now.

We were, however, not talking about the modern middle east. We were talking about the Caliphates.

[DrakoLand]

There would not be a great scism in first place if Justinians successors never lost Italy.

There are more turkish words in ex-yugoslav languages.

Not that many. There are a few of them in day to day language. But not in the literature. Most of Turkish words in Yugoslav languages are about foods tho ^^

How so? The only reason that the Arabs got info was because they conquered advanced cultures. If they really were good scientists, why are they backwards people now?

Not really. Arabs were significantly more advanced at that age. In culture and science. But then Catholics reconquered Spanish territories and burned down great amounts of libraries.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUULL FUUUUUUUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIT!

[Great Kleomentia]

Not that many. There are a few of them in day to day language. But not in the literature. Most of Turkish words in Yugoslav languages are about foods tho ^^

Not really. Arabs were significantly more advanced at that age. In culture and science. But then Catholics reconquered Spanish territories and burned down great amounts of libraries.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUULL FUUUUUUUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIT!

Theres no way i can go against that argument.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

They were more advanced because they had conquered more advanced civilizations. As soon as they stopped conquering, they were stuck, and most Arabic countries have a wealth of oil yet they're still shitholes without regards for basic women's rights, they execute infidels, and are utterly backwards. At least most Catholic countries are developed now.

We were, however, not talking about the modern middle east. We were talking about the Caliphates.

Well if they captured Europe, then Europe would be stuck in the dim ages, so no matter how advanced they were then, it wouldn't matter.