The Slavic Thread!

[Miasto Lodz]

As for the beer, I would suggest any unpasteurized wheat beer made by small breweries, like Ciechan, Konstancin or Amber.

That's a cool name - Browar Amber

It's like "bro, gimme Amber, it'll beat war fo sho'!"

Heh, I like the moments when Britons or Americans see the word "warzone" printed on the bottle. They're like "What warzone?, Where?", but it actually means "brewed".

[Kemaliste]

China, North Korea, Iran and Syria, as well as Southeast Asian countries should be included. It would be much bigger and stronger. I hope my country joins it as well, once we get rid of the current government and replace it with a Kemalist one...

The PRC and Turkey would be be great members for sure! Iran, North Korea, and Syria with its internal conflict, I'm not too sure about. I know Vietnam has expressed interest in the Customs Union, so they may join the Eurasian Union as well.

Vietnam sounds good. But what internal conflict are you talking about in North Korea ?

[Risottia]

Too easy. The Italian-flag-style pizza has already been made, and it's the Pizza Margherita - named after Queen Margherita di Savoia: basil for green, mozzarella for white and tomato for red.

Considering that the Slavic flags often sport white-red-blue, the problem would be finding something blue for a Panslavic pizza... caviar is either reddish or black. Maybe some Czech cheese with a bluish mould? I have to think about that.

Why not Blue Cheese?

Eh, I don't know if, once cooked, it stays blue enough. And how will it mix with mozzarella? Will the two be still compatible?
Also, I wanted something produced in a Slavic country.

Borage flowers

This could be a solution.

As for modro kapusta, although it says "modro" (that is, blue), it's not blue. It's purple. Way too red. As a matter of fact, Germans and Italians alike call it a red cabbage (Rotkohl/cavolo rosso).

[Risottia]

But what internal conflict are you talking about in North Korea ?

My guess would be the conflict between brain and muscle. So far, muscle seems to be winning hands down.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

The PRC and Turkey would be be great members for sure! Iran, North Korea, and Syria with its internal conflict, I'm not too sure about. I know Vietnam has expressed interest in the Customs Union, so they may join the Eurasian Union as well.

Vietnam sounds good. But what internal conflict are you talking about in North Korea ?

Sorry, I was meant the internal conflict within Syria.

[Melas]

Panbalkanism is retarted, Rigas velestinos (a.k.a Rigas Feraios) had this idea of the balkans being as one nation in which turks,greeks and slavs would live together... now we had something like that happen just with slavs and the ending bombed us all...

[Kemaliste]

Vietnam sounds good. But what internal conflict are you talking about in North Korea ?

Sorry, I was meant the internal conflict within Syria.

That was my misreading then, sorry I get your point about Syria but we should protect the Syrian regime nevertheless. Not offense but sometimes Russia tends to pull their support back, that's understanble considering the horrible pressures coming out from the West. But Russia needs to be determined about this issue. That's why I think Syria should be included as an important ally in the area.

Same goes for Iran, Iraq and Lebanon. The more we get such allies in the region, the more America loses their influence over there.

As for North Korea, I don't see anything wrong with this. North Korea should be one of the first countries to be invited to the union as well as the PRC.

Currently there seems to be 3 of the Central Asian states which have signed the agreement, but others such as Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are missing. I also expect Ukraine and Armenia to join.

If it happens the way I wish, it will be a great union without any doubt

[Solokia]

Haven't eaten all day. What slavic food should I make tonight?

[Miasto Lodz]

Haven't eaten all day. What slavic food should I make tonight?

Coffee and cigarettes. The most common staple foods in Slavic countries.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

Haven't eaten all day. What slavic food should I make tonight?

I'm a fan of Kremsnita, but thats a dessert

[Yanitza]

Panbalkanism is retarted, Rigas velestinos (a.k.a Rigas Feraios) had this idea of the balkans being as one nation in which turks,greeks and slavs would live together... now we had something like that happen just with slavs and the ending bombed us all...

I don't believe it is retarded i believe it is a very good ideal and goal to be looking forward to, as i believe the Balkan people have had enough bloodshed to deal with and thier should be reconciliation between the Balkan people, as naive as i realize that sounds. Plus a Pan Balkan federation could finally pull the Balkans out of the orbit of meddling greater states. But i agree with you that it should be structure different to Yugoslavia

[Yanitza]

also Melas, you from Epirus?

[Mehden]

Haven't eaten all day. What slavic food should I make tonight?

PIEROGIES

#everythingpolish

[Melas]

also Melas, you from Epirus?

I am from Mani but live near athens

[Yanitza]

also Melas, you from Epirus?

I am from Mani but live near athens

haha ok nevermind

[Melas]

I am from Mani but live near athens

haha ok nevermind

Lol did you ask cause you are from epirus (your flag sais so) or to know if I have any connections with Pavlos? (i dont )

[Yanitza]

haha ok nevermind

Lol did you ask cause you are from epirus (your flag sais so) or to know if I have any connections with Pavlos? (i dont )

i asked because your nationstates nation name has the -as suffix, so i thought maybe lol

anyway yeah i have roots in Epirus, the flag gives it away, from near Ioannina

[Risottia]

Haven't eaten all day. What slavic food should I make tonight?

Cevapcici and some boiled rice. Serve with ajvar.

[Scholencia]

Not a whole lot of economic growth going on at the moment. And protection from whom?

Well, there is no a lot economic growth now due to the 2008 recession which in many countries never ended. We all know who started the whole mess. In other hand some countries have a good economical growth like Poland but the problem is only the euro which is a negative side of the EU. Just compare Poland in 2004 and Poland today. It is very questionable how will Poland, Bulgaria or Germany handle without the single market.

Protection from countries which would without the eu started to blackmail them, there are also protcestion of the workers which is regulated very good in the Eu. it also offers education for foreing students in condition which the native students have, you can easily work in other members with out restriction. I think a pan-slavic union could not offer that.

thing is - you guys exploited Slavs more brutally than you exploited other groups. And then you guys, (well Austria,) sided with Nazis in WWII. So not cool. Do we have to kick your ass, (military,) from time to time, to remind you who the real Untermensch are?

Nah, I'm just kidding, we don't think anyone's an Untermensch

They didnt exploid the Slavs t least not during the late 19th century Habsburg Monarchy, it was the opposite. The austrians encourage industrialisation. See Škoda, architecture, etc.

Russia would instantly deny. After the turbulent 1990s, we don't trust enormous banks, which can influence policy. Also the whole Germany telling Serbia to settle on the Kosovo Issue as a requirement for membership is a bit of a dick move.

The problems is that the governemnt sold its banks to foreign companies and it is good that Russia wont join the EU. Russia had its recources and it can stand alone but the problem is which smaller countries who have no resources in which they could have profit.

well, actually the EU dont want that new countries enter the Eu so they are making some conditions in which they are sure that the newbie cannot make. In other hand nobody forces Serbia to join the EU.

He wouldn't have been smart enough to pull it off. "Sir, there are assassination attempts on you along this rout, and some have failed!"
"Oh well, keep going!"

I mean that's just asking for a Darwin

Actually, the federasing the Monarchy would prevent nationalism.

Panbalkanism is retarted, Rigas velestinos (a.k.a Rigas Feraios) had this idea of the balkans being as one nation in which turks,greeks and slavs would live together... now we had something like that happen just with slavs and the ending bombed us all...

I don't believe it is retarded i believe it is a very good ideal and goal to be looking forward to, as i believe the Balkan people have had enough bloodshed to deal with and thier should be reconciliation between the Balkan people, as naive as i realize that sounds. Plus a Pan Balkan federation could finally pull the Balkans out of the orbit of meddling greater states. But i agree with you that it should be structure different to Yugoslavia

a pan-balkan federation would be a shithole on earth.

[Yanitza]

Panbalkanism is retarted, Rigas velestinos (a.k.a Rigas Feraios) had this idea of the balkans being as one nation in which turks,greeks and slavs would live together... now we had something like that happen just with slavs and the ending bombed us all...

I don't believe it is retarded i believe it is a very good ideal and goal to be looking forward to, as i believe the Balkan people have had enough bloodshed to deal with and thier should be reconciliation between the Balkan people, as naive as i realize that sounds. Plus a Pan Balkan federation could finally pull the Balkans out of the orbit of meddling greater states. But i agree with you that it should be structure different to Yugoslavia

a pan-balkan federation would be a shithole on earth.[/quote]
why, becuase of historical stearerotypes?

[Scholencia]

why, becuase of historical stearerotypes?

Because of economy. You would have problems with Greece, Romania and Bulgaria. Greece would be nominaly the country with the higher GDP but with a high debt. There is no chance that some countries with a lower GDP would spent money on fixing Greek economy. Secondly, some countries are deeply corrupt. The last reason and but not important is, yes, historical stearerotypes.

[Bordurian]

why, becuase of historical stearerotypes?

Because of economy. You would have problems with Greece, Romania and Bulgaria. Greece would be nominaly the country with the higher GDP but with a high debt. There is no chance that some countries with a lower GDP would spent money on fixing Greek economy. Secondly, some countries are deeply corrupt. The last reason and but not important is, yes, historical stearerotypes.

Greece isn't Slavic.

[Shofercia]

Not a whole lot of economic growth going on at the moment. And protection from whom?

Well, there is no a lot economic growth now due to the 2008 recession which in many countries never ended. We all know who started the whole mess. In other hand some countries have a good economical growth like Poland but the problem is only the euro which is a negative side of the EU. Just compare Poland in 2004 and Poland today. It is very questionable how will Poland, Bulgaria or Germany handle without the single market.

Protection from countries which would without the eu started to blackmail them, there are also protcestion of the workers which is regulated very good in the Eu. it also offers education for foreing students in condition which the native students have, you can easily work in other members with out restriction. I think a pan-slavic union could not offer that.

Although US started the whole mess, other countries should've been able to insulate themselves better, like the Government did in Russia. The problem with the EU, is that the ECB chose to preserve as much of their assets as possible, and fucked over the rest of the EU in the process. When a crisis hits, everyone's gotta contribute, there's no "banker's exception". Additionally, the current market is globalized, so it's tough for countries to blackmail others. I know that Russia might give discounts to friendly regimes, but I've yet to hear that Russia's selling above the market price to certain countries.

Also, Pan-Slavism doesn't call for a Union. It calls for Slavs to defend each other, (implying that we won't attack each other,) for Slavs to party together, and for Slavs to respect one another and work together

We're not here to create a government. We're here to steer our respective governments towards understanding and non aggression with our peoples, cause the extreme majority of our governments, (maybe Belarus being the sole exception,) don't have a history of not trolling other Slavs, and we gotta change that

thing is - you guys exploited Slavs more brutally than you exploited other groups. And then you guys, (well Austria,) sided with Nazis in WWII. So not cool. Do we have to kick your ass, (military,) from time to time, to remind you who the real Untermensch are?

Nah, I'm just kidding, we don't think anyone's an Untermensch

They didnt exploid the Slavs t least not during the late 19th century Habsburg Monarchy, it was the opposite. The austrians encourage industrialisation. See Škoda, architecture, etc.

Yeah they did, quite ruthlessly. The policy of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was for the Austrians and Hungarians to "rule their own barbarians" however they liked.

The problems is that the governemnt sold its banks to foreign companies and it is good that Russia wont join the EU. Russia had its recources and it can stand alone but the problem is which smaller countries who have no resources in which they could have profit.

well, actually the EU dont want that new countries enter the Eu so they are making some conditions in which they are sure that the newbie cannot make. In other hand nobody forces Serbia to join the EU.

I'm not saying anyone's forcing Serbia, but Russia and Serbia have the exact same stance on Kosovo, and yet, Serbia's stance is a barrier, according to Germany, whereas Russia's isn't.

Actually, the federasing the Monarchy would prevent nationalism.

Nope, since nationalism was already prevalent, due to the rich-poor divide, the narrow concentration of wealth, the European Spring, and the oppression of minorities, including Slavs.


And if the Balkan Federation was ruled by zombie Tito, or another capable leader, it would be awesome

That is, of course, if the Balkan People want it.

[Scholencia]

Although US started the whole mess, other countries should've been able to insulate themselves better, like the Government did in Russia. The problem with the EU, is that the ECB chose to preserve as much of their assets as possible, and fucked over the rest of the EU in the process. When a crisis hits, everyone's gotta contribute, there's no "banker's exception". Additionally, the current market is globalized, so it's tough for countries to blackmail others. I know that Russia might give discounts to friendly regimes, but I've yet to hear that Russia's selling above the market price to certain countries.

Also, Pan-Slavism doesn't call for a Union. It calls for Slavs to defend each other, (implying that we won't attack each other,) for Slavs to party together, and for Slavs to respect one another and work together

We're not here to create a government. We're here to steer our respective governments towards understanding and non aggression with our peoples, cause the extreme majority of our governments, (maybe Belarus being the sole exception,) don't have a history of not trolling other Slavs, and we gotta change that

Yes, the US started the mess and it should take responsibility for it. It is as a nuclear reactor exploses and you say:"ups, sorry but everybody has contribute since I had no controll over it". And no, Russia didnt preserve itslelf since it had also recession, it is just that it could deal with it due to its recources like oil and some other factors. The bigger countries have this luck that they have reserves while smaller not they havent. This is also one of reasson why i dont accept "the government should be prepared of it and the market is globalised" argument especially that the smaller did not cause it. You also ignore the fact that some EU countries did have recession which speaks much in favour ofthe EU. The whole point of the is to sell as cheaper as possible due to existance of an single market. it also includes streaming of capital, knowledge and educated people (though I dont agree with everything). Blackmailing is indeed possible (see croatian-slovenian territorial dispute). What you mean by ECB is choosing to preserve as much of their assets? (

The EU also dont call for the a single government, I was talking about the living standard. How can a slavic Union help to fix somebodies living standard? You cannot also want that all Slavs respect each other since many Slavs did horrible things to each other and also there a very big cultural diferences between them.You see, a person from the Balkan can imposible indetify themself with a peasant from Ural. As I see this pan-slavic fantasy is based on some genetical relativenes and if so it is nonsence. A pan-sovietism would have better much more sence. Not attacking each other and parting can be achieved without a pan-slavic union. In fact, why not have a pan-european union,we all have common genetics in the indo-european people. So, you are european, arent you?

Yeah they did, quite ruthlessly. The policy of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was for the Austrians and Hungarians to "rule their own barbarians" however they liked.

so, in which example do you see that was so? Were there concentration camps for Slavs? The austrians posses slavic slaves?

The only destabilisating factor in the A-U Monarhy were the Hungarians who were indeed nationalits and made some nationalist laws. The Austrians were quite the opposite. Also notice, the A-u monarhy was divided into Austrian and hungarian part and every part had its own laws and constituion. A Slavs in the Austrian part did have to be a Austrian to require a respectable status (just use the list of Austrian WWi generals and you will see many of them were slavic). Also the slavs had representatives in the parliament and even the ruling dynasty was part slavic (Maria Theresia had a affair with a officer from Slavonia whoose child would become a emperor at least a legend says so ).

The only part where Austrians were bad was during Bachs apsolutism. A-U also made opened many industrial companies which exists even today. in Croatia, many people (from Germans to Slavs) from the whole part monarchy settled thanks the province of Slavonia fourished economically. Later they would be assimilated (for example there is a city called Daruvar whoose population is Czech).

I'm not saying anyone's forcing Serbia, but Russia and Serbia have the exact same stance on Kosovo, and yet, Serbia's stance is a barrier, according to Germany, whereas Russia's isn't.

So, do France, Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovenia etc have a different stance on Kosovo. The issue is very deliqate and have a not so good reputation about it. That is why it should fix it. The stance of the club is known, serbia want to move in the club and not the club join to serbia. So, serbia should deal with it or dont go in the club. It is not that it has not an alternative. It is af if you want to go into a night-club and a guard wont let the person because it is not properly dressed.

Nope, since nationalism was already prevalent, due to the rich-poor divide, the narrow concentration of wealth, the European Spring, and the oppression of minorities, including Slavs.


And if the Balkan Federation was ruled by zombie Tito, or another capable leader, it would be awesome

That is, of course, if the Balkan People want it.

Yeah, but if the Monarhy was federalised what Franz Ferdinand proposed it would reduce nationalism.

If a balkan federation was ruled by a zombie it would be scary, by a zombie Tito it would be a catastrophe. Not, really we dont want to be once more Serbias or whoose else bitch. It depents who would be in charge in such federation.

Because of economy. You would have problems with Greece, Romania and Bulgaria. Greece would be nominaly the country with the higher GDP but with a high debt. There is no chance that some countries with a lower GDP would spent money on fixing Greek economy. Secondly, some countries are deeply corrupt. The last reason and but not important is, yes, historical stearerotypes.

Greece isn't Slavic.

Yes, I know. We were speaking about a Balkan Federation, also it means the whole Balkan.

[Inoroth]

Yay Slavic Peoples... Almost as cool as Italians (though I might be a bit biased ). Anyway, just wanted to say I support a people who are proud of their history and their roots. Go guys go!