Wage Slavery

[Rick Rollin]

I think the idea of the workplace in general is a very real tool that helps to solidify the class dictatorship. I do think this is a form of slavery, in the sense that our options and freedom are constrained based upon the whims of others without any implied consent. Wages are one facet of the social paradigm that seems to be the most effective at trapping people in poverty and restricting their freedoms.

Is this about communism? Last time I checked, people here aren't poor.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I think the idea of the workplace in general is a very real tool that helps to solidify the class dictatorship. I do think this is a form of slavery, in the sense that our options and freedom are constrained based upon the whims of others without any implied consent. Wages are one facet of the social paradigm that seems to be the most effective at trapping people in poverty and restricting their freedoms.

Is this about communism? Last time I checked, people here aren't poor.

People around the world are poor, and the rest are merely restrained.

[Bafuria]

Being forced to make a living is not slavery.

[Rick Rollin]

Is this about communism? Last time I checked, people here aren't poor.

People around the world are poor, and the rest are merely restrained.

They're poor because their governments are shitty, not because of some evil conspiracy by The Man or some fundamental flaw in capitalism. What you are saying is nonsense on par of the Bildberg Whatever hypothesisers.

[New England and The Maritimes]

People around the world are poor, and the rest are merely restrained.

They're poor because their governments are shitty, not because of some evil conspiracy by The Man or some fundamental flaw in capitalism. What you are saying is nonsense on par of the Bildberg Whatever hypothesisers.

The paradigm of workplaces and the social structures we have set up are needlessly constricting, and will be untenable as automation begins to expand into every facet of the economy. Then what will become of the multitudes who are no longer "economically viable"?

[Rick Rollin]

They're poor because their governments are shitty, not because of some evil conspiracy by The Man or some fundamental flaw in capitalism. What you are saying is nonsense on par of the Bildberg Whatever hypothesisers.

The paradigm of workplaces and the social structures we have set up are needlessly constricting,

And an unfree market is better in that regard?

and will be untenable as automation begins to expand into every facet of the economy. Then what will become of the multitudes who are no longer "economically viable"?

Increasing productivity does not reduce labor use.

[Tmutarakhan]

The Chief executive of Disney was paid almost 600 million dollars in 1998 alone while the average pay rate was $25,000
now tell me what the hell does one individual do with an annual income of 600 million, why is such a salary necessarily? to show him that he's special and no one else can do a job like him? that's what you seem to be saying

Running a company is hard.

It ain't that hard. The head of Toyota Motors made less than a thousandth what Disney shelled out-- and Toyota is doing a lot better.

[Occupied Deutschland]

They're poor because their governments are shitty, not because of some evil conspiracy by The Man or some fundamental flaw in capitalism. What you are saying is nonsense on par of the Bildberg Whatever hypothesisers.

The paradigm of workplaces and the social structures we have set up are needlessly(1) constricting, and will be untenable as automation begins to expand into every facet of the economy. Then what will become of the multitudes who are no longer "economically viable"(2)?

1: Scarcity means there is a need for constriction of supply. The price system accomplishes this. Any Post-scarcity ideas would indeed render such things needless, but until then...
2: They'll find jobs in new sectors? Seriously, it's happened countless times in the past. Invention x comes along and increases productivity, thus people who used to do activity x to contribute to productivity become "economically (un)viable". These people go on to different or new jobs or sectors required due to the Invention (coal miner #s shot up after the invention of the steam engine, automobile production required assemblers & mechanics (likely some of the same people who had been wheelwrights and "buggy-fixers" back in the day), computer production required silicone mining, assembly, programming, etc. Typewriter salesman and repairmen go out of business. I mean, seriously. I would think people would have realized by now that Ned Ludd was NOT in fact right in his thinking.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Running a company is hard.

It ain't that hard. The head of Toyota Motors made less than a thousandth what Disney shelled out-- and Toyota is doing a lot better.

Toyota's head only had to deal with vehicles & the advertising of said vehicles.
I'm guessing Disney's CEO responsibilities include: Movies, Merchandise, (at least) nominal oversight of the various Disney theme parks and centers, (at least) nominal oversight of the Disney television channel, (at least) nominal oversight of the Disney music brand, directing of Disney subsidiaries (Marvel, Pixar, ESPN, etc.), as well as all the other crap I can't even think of.

[Greater Portucale]

I wouldn't call it Slavery - Serfdom is more like it.

We are required to work for our lords (companies/governments) in exchange for money that we use to live (as serfs would work for their lands, in exchange for land to grow their food, and protection).


All serfs are not slaves - they can leave their land at will. If the lord does not give enough land for one to make a living, and/or demands too much extra work, the serf can always leave and seek a new lord.
Problem is, especially when land is scarce, this isnt an alternative - you leave your meager plot of land, and you starve. Your lord is then at will to abuse you, demanding more work for no more land, putting you under an unfair Oath of Alligiance.
Your children will also become serfs - after all, when they grow up, your Lord might not give them land, but other Lord might - Working for a lord is the only thing they will be ever able to do. They cannot aspire to be Lords themselves (they are "son's of"), for they can never afford a battle armor and a horse, so that they could risk their lives fighting infidels (that was how the original lords came to be). Its a cycle.


Oh well, again - no one is a slave. You can always "leave". Excelent choices there.

[Stacy0202]

Do you live to work, or work to live? Anyone who does either of these things runs the chance of becoming a wage slave, trading freedom for stingy subsistence, every single day. It's a slick slope that leads to choreographing every aspect of your lifestyle around living paycheck to paycheck.

Fear is a key factor in becoming a wage slave. To borrow a phrase from English Romantic-era poet William Blake, the bonds of a wage slave are “mind-forged manacles.” Workers fear that if they didn't have to go to work, they wouldn't go, and they'd disappear down the rabbit hole of non-productivity and draw the ire of judging society.

The question is this: How to avoid the stagnation of wage slavery?

[Sharlenebax]

Whenever possible, those looking to avoid wage slavery should look to expand their skill set. It doesn't even have to be something within your current job field, just something you find interesting and that will have wide enough appeal and application to create future employment possibilities. Go back to college, pursue vocational training, search for online educational materials, read books and join interest groups pertaining to your field of interest. With options on your side, the bonds of wage slavery feel that much lighter.

[Rick Rollin]

Do you live to work, or work to live? Anyone who does either of these things runs the chance of becoming a wage slave, trading freedom for stingy subsistence, every single day. It's a slick slope that leads to choreographing every aspect of your lifestyle around living paycheck to paycheck.

Fear is a key factor in becoming a wage slave. To borrow a phrase from English Romantic-era poet William Blake, the bonds of a wage slave are “mind-forged manacles.” Workers fear that if they didn't have to go to work, they wouldn't go, and they'd disappear down the rabbit hole of non-productivity and draw the ire of judging society.

The question is this: How to avoid the stagnation of wage slavery?

Do you live to work, or work to live? Anyone who does either of these things runs the chance of becoming a wage slave, trading freedom for meager subsistence, every single day. It's a slick slope that leads to choreographing every part of your way of life around living paycheck to paycheck. When you have given up your freedom to the whims of your employer, here is the best way to restore control and stay away from wage slavery. How to avoid the stagnation of wage slavery? The following are some ways to ensure that even while you're working, you do not become a wage slave: live frugally, stay out of debt, earn money on your time, and expand your skills. To be successful means taking risks. It will help you to become strong as well as learn a living.

Think for yourselves.