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Postby Cameroi » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:01 pm

being a member of a discriminated against minority, doesn't prevent a member of that minority themselves as an individual, form being racist.

it is however, individuals, not ethnicities, that are capable of being racist.

you could have a racist culture. hitler for example tried to start one.
as have others. that still doesn't make racism something that can be biologically inherited.

nor reasonably applied as a label, to all persons who's ancestors were born in a particular place.

so the question itself is somewhat illogical.

any ONE can be a racist.

tarring a whole group, one that people are born into through no choice of their own,
to demonize and target them as a group, well that is precisely the great evil that hitler
and others like him, will forever be reviled for having committed.

and no, i don't think racism is PREVALENT in ANY race. nor at all.
rather it is a tool of political manipulation, one perhaps too easily created,
but not in any sense a default condition.
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Postby Biotopia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:04 pm

Cameroi wrote:being a member of a discriminated against minority, doesn't prevent a member of that minority themselves as an individual, form being racist.

it is however, individuals, not ethnicities, that are capable of being racist.

you could have a racist culture. hitler for example tried to start one.
as have others. that still doesn't make racism something that can be biologically inherited.

nor reasonably applied as a label, to all persons who's ancestors were born in a particular place.

so the question itself is somewhat illogical.

any ONE can be a racist.

tarring a whole group, one that people are born into through no choice of their own,
to demonize and target them as a group, well that is precisely the great evil that hitler
and others like him, will forever be reviled for having committed.

and no, i don't think racism is PREVALENT in ANY race. nor at all.
rather it is a tool of political manipulation, one perhaps too easily created,
but not in any sense a default condition.


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Postby Jocabia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:06 pm

Takaram wrote:
Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.


Agreed, but honestly, if you look at some of the shit being flung at anyone who disagrees with the President, not only by blacks, but also by white, purples, greens, and oranges (being racially sensitive), people are still quick to jump to racism (yes, I do realize that this is mostly politically motivated).

Uh, maybe you're not actually listening. People aren't saying that it's racist to disagree with the President. The problem is that it just so happens to be that while people are "disagreeing" they're also accusing him of being Muslim and foreign despite him being neither of those things. They just happen to be comparing him to a monkey and other animals "in the zoo" and calling him an African. It just happens that while they are disagreing they aren't actaully talking about actual policies of his and it's just about shit they made up.

Yes, it's not all of them. It's not even most of them. But the group of them that aren't racist are so desperate to appear to be a majority that they won't even call out the people who are very clearly being racist. When people accused McCain of not being eligible for office a whole lot of liberals, including the Congress, corrected them. That's because no one wanted to be associated with such things. Where are all the Republicans decrying the treatment of Obama? Where are all the Republicans saying the personal attacks calling him a Muslim and an African and whatnot are racist and wrong?

As I pointed out in another thread, it's an awful lot of coincidence to just be ignored. There is a group of people who can stop the undercurrent of racism in their party and they choose not to do so. It's them you should be calling out, because if they'd just do that, you'd not have an issue.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:06 pm

Mackedamia wrote:I perosonally believe that as humans we should all be equal, and we shouldn't mention race. But, blacks are gay as well, most would argue that it is becuase of whites enslaving blacks, but that is a very wide statment, my family(irish, german, and itailian) haden't come to america untill the late 1880's, and were not engaged in slavery, so why should I be held responsible? And also, why do whites have problems with blacks?


So, your family is in America since more than a century, but still you haven't learnt spelling?

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Postby Takaram » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:10 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.


Agreed, but honestly, if you look at some of the shit being flung at anyone who disagrees with the President, not only by blacks, but also by white, purples, greens, and oranges (being racially sensitive), people are still quick to jump to racism (yes, I do realize that this is mostly politically motivated).

Uh, maybe you're not actually listening. People aren't saying that it's racist to disagree with the President. The problem is that it just so happens to be that while people are "disagreeing" they're also accusing him of being Muslim and foreign despite him being neither of those things. They just happen to be comparing him to a monkey and other animals "in the zoo" and calling him an African. It just happens that while they are disagreing they aren't actaully talking about actual policies of his and it's just about shit they made up.

Yes, it's not all of them. It's not even most of them. But the group of them that aren't racist are so desperate to appear to be a majority that they won't even call out the people who are very clearly being racist. When people accused McCain of not being eligible for office a whole lot of liberals, including the Congress, corrected them. That's because no one wanted to be associated with such things. Where are all the Republicans decrying the treatment of Obama? Where are all the Republicans saying the personal attacks calling him a Muslim and an African and whatnot are racist and wrong?

As I pointed out in another thread, it's an awful lot of coincidence to just be ignored. There is a group of people who can stop the undercurrent of racism in their party and they choose not to do so. It's them you should be calling out, because if they'd just do that, you'd not have an issue.


Oh, no argument there, but it still fails to justify the treatment being thrown at a lot of people who disagree with Obama. I was discussing some of the issues I took with the Obama administration (whole different thread, don't start on this please), when someone looked at me and accused me of being racist, despite the fact that I had never even mentioned Obama's race.

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Postby Jocabia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:16 pm

Takaram wrote:
Jocabia wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.


Agreed, but honestly, if you look at some of the shit being flung at anyone who disagrees with the President, not only by blacks, but also by white, purples, greens, and oranges (being racially sensitive), people are still quick to jump to racism (yes, I do realize that this is mostly politically motivated).

Uh, maybe you're not actually listening. People aren't saying that it's racist to disagree with the President. The problem is that it just so happens to be that while people are "disagreeing" they're also accusing him of being Muslim and foreign despite him being neither of those things. They just happen to be comparing him to a monkey and other animals "in the zoo" and calling him an African. It just happens that while they are disagreing they aren't actaully talking about actual policies of his and it's just about shit they made up.

Yes, it's not all of them. It's not even most of them. But the group of them that aren't racist are so desperate to appear to be a majority that they won't even call out the people who are very clearly being racist. When people accused McCain of not being eligible for office a whole lot of liberals, including the Congress, corrected them. That's because no one wanted to be associated with such things. Where are all the Republicans decrying the treatment of Obama? Where are all the Republicans saying the personal attacks calling him a Muslim and an African and whatnot are racist and wrong?

As I pointed out in another thread, it's an awful lot of coincidence to just be ignored. There is a group of people who can stop the undercurrent of racism in their party and they choose not to do so. It's them you should be calling out, because if they'd just do that, you'd not have an issue.


Oh, no argument there, but it still fails to justify the treatment being thrown at a lot of people who disagree with Obama. I was discussing some of the issues I took with the Obama administration (whole different thread, don't start on this please), when someone looked at me and accused me of being racist, despite the fact that I had never even mentioned Obama's race.

Here's a test:

Do you think that Obama is a Muslim?

Do you think that Obama is the legitimate President of the United States?

Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?

Do you think Obama won because he was black?

Followed by the idiot test:

Do you believe the healthcare plan advocates death panels?

Do you believe they cover illegal aliens?

Do you believe they are nationalizing healthcare?

Like I said, the last couple are just to find out why people might think your reasons for disagreeing with Obame might be different than you're actually giving.
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Postby Jocabia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:26 pm

They aren't hard questions. At all. If you've actually got rational reasons behind your objections to the healthcare proposal you should be able to answer those questions right off the top of your head in about a minute.
Sgt Toomey wrote:Come to think of it, it would make more sense to hate him for being black. At least its half true..
JJ Place wrote:Sure, the statistics are that a gun is more likely to harm a family member than a criminal

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Postby Niur » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:27 pm

MY MUST EVERY THREAD DEVOLVE INTO HEALTHCARE AND OBAMA DISSCUSSION?!
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Postby Samatolian City-States » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:29 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.

It happens a lot more than you'd think down here.
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Postby Takaram » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:31 pm

Here's a test:

Do you think that Obama is a Muslim?
No, but it wouldn't matter if he was

Do you think that Obama is the legitimate President of the United States?
Yes

Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?
Yes

Do you think Obama won because he was black?
It might have been a contributing factor, but not the main reason.

Followed by the idiot test:

Do you believe the healthcare plan advocates death panels?
No

Do you believe they cover illegal aliens?
Haven't read it, but not likely

Do you believe they are nationalizing healthcare?
No
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:33 pm

Samatolian City-States wrote:
Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.

It happens a lot more than you'd think down here.
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When I was on the force in Orlando, I got accused all the time of pulling someone over for dwb - driving while black.

The fact that they were driving in a bad neighborhood at 2am with only one working headlight and no taillights and I could not possibly have known their ethnicity prior to actually pulling them over is irrelevant.
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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:33 pm

I've had more than one Asian friend tell me that Asians are overall the most racist folks around.

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Postby Tunizcha » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:35 pm

Takaram wrote:Here's a test:

Do you think that Obama is a Muslim?
No, but it wouldn't matter if he was


He's not.

Do you think that Obama is the legitimate President of the United States?
Yes


He is.

Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?
Yes


He was.

Do you think Obama won because he was black?
It might have been a contributing factor, but not the main reason.


Ditto.

Followed by the idiot test:

Do you believe the healthcare plan advocates death panels?
No


It doesn't.

Do you believe they cover illegal aliens?
Haven't read it, but not likely


I've read it, it doesn't.

Do you believe they are nationalizing healthcare?
No


It's not.
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Postby Takaram » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:45 pm

Tunizcha wrote:
Takaram wrote:Here's a test:

Do you think that Obama is a Muslim?
No, but it wouldn't matter if he was


He's not.

Do you think that Obama is the legitimate President of the United States?
Yes


He is.

Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?
Yes


He was.

Do you think Obama won because he was black?
It might have been a contributing factor, but not the main reason.


Ditto.

Followed by the idiot test:

Do you believe the healthcare plan advocates death panels?
No


It doesn't.

Do you believe they cover illegal aliens?
Haven't read it, but not likely


I've read it, it doesn't.

Do you believe they are nationalizing healthcare?
No


It's not.


Oh, that was me responding to Jocabia's test, not my test

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Postby Conservative Ad Droid » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:55 pm

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Rolling squid wrote:Very few people are actually racist, many people are culture-ist. They believe that the culture they live in is the best, and those who follow a different culture are doing things wrong. It just so happens that cultures tend to evolve regionally, as do different ethnic groups. Henceforth comes the origins of racism.


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Postby Ryadn » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:57 pm

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Niur wrote:My god, I can not understand a word of the topic opener. Do they not teach english in American schools anymore?


I was unaware that they taught anything in American schools anymore.


Don't make me go over there and learn you both some facts, misters!
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Postby Ryadn » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:59 pm

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Mackedamia wrote:Are blacks racest, or maybe asians?

The Black Panthers are racist, and I'm pretty sure only Tiger Woods and Michael Yo are both Black and Asian...


:palm:

You don't live in a place with much ethnic diversity, you do?

Apologies if your post was an attempt at sarcasm, but not really apologetic, cause it failed.
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Postby Takaram » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:02 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Der Teutoniker wrote:
Niur wrote:My god, I can not understand a word of the topic opener. Do they not teach english in American schools anymore?


I was unaware that they taught anything in American schools anymore.


Don't make me go over there and learn you both some facts, misters!


Hey! If they don't wanna be edumacated, that's their right!

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Postby Ryadn » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:04 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Samatolian City-States wrote:I read the thread title as asking: Are blacks (A) racist, or (B) Asians?

Also, the only real racial stereotype I hold about black people is my fear that they'll accuse me of racism.

Uh, what are you doing that black people are accusing you of racism? I can't remember the last time I was accused of racism by anyone at any time.


A homeless man in the Tenderloin accused me of being evil because I'm white. But then later he said he liked my style, so I don't know what to believe.

Also, you know, he was kind of crazy, and I tend to think that had more to do with his accusation than being black did.
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Postby DrunkenDove » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:06 pm

Niur wrote:MY MUST EVERY THREAD DEVOLVE INTO HEALTHCARE AND OBAMA DISSCUSSION?!


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Postby Takaram » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:08 pm

Niur wrote:MY MUST EVERY THREAD DEVOLVE INTO HEALTHCARE AND OBAMA DISSCUSSION?!


Yes. Welcome to NSG

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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:08 pm

Jocabia wrote:Here's a test:

Do you think that Obama is a Muslim?


Of course.

Do you think that Obama is the legitimate President of the United States?


Maybe in Kenya.

Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?


Pshh...

Do you think Obama won because he was black?


He's gotten everywhere in life because he's black, just like the rest of them.

Followed by the idiot test:

Do you believe the healthcare plan advocates death panels?


Obviously, the TV said so.

Do you believe they cover illegal aliens?


I'll be voting for Joe Wilson when the time comes.

Do you believe they are nationalizing healthcare?


Those socialist commies have to be up to something, so sure, why not?

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Postby Biotopia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:09 pm

Takaram wrote:
Ryadn wrote:
Der Teutoniker wrote:
Niur wrote:My god, I can not understand a word of the topic opener. Do they not teach english in American schools anymore?


I was unaware that they taught anything in American schools anymore.


Don't make me go over there and learn you both some facts, misters!


Hey! If they don't wanna be edumacated, that's their right!


You can take away their school books, but you'll have to pry their guns from their cold dead hands
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Postby Blouman Empire » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:42 pm

Bitchkitten wrote:I've had more than one Asian friend tell me that Asians are overall the most racist folks around.


I don't have any Asian friends and I know this to be the case.
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Postby Antilon » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

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Bitchkitten wrote:I've had more than one Asian friend tell me that Asians are overall the most racist folks around.


I don't have any Asian friends and I know this to be the case.


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