Creationism vs Evolution thread.

[South Arcea]

I can't believe in 2012, we're even debating over this. Are we going to debate over whether or not the earth is round next? Perhaps argue over whether tectonic plates move or not. Maybe we can finish it off with debating whether gravity is real or not

[The Alma Mater]

I can't believe in 2012, we're even debating over this. Are we going to debate over whether or not the earth is round next? Perhaps argue over whether tectonic plates move or not. Maybe we can finish it off with debating whether gravity is real or not

But it's fun ! Some of the alternative realities creationists have made up are actually pretty good settings for a fantasynovel. And I like fantasynovels

EDIT: oh, wow. Moment of insight... this is what Tolkien based middle earth on
Giant men walking around, people reaching ages of several centuries... Tolkien was a young earth creationist and his novels historic !

[Socialdemokraterne]

EDIT: I do believe in microevolution which has been proven but NOT macroevolution which hasn't been proven at all.

So in other words, you believe that I can add water to a glass with an eyedropper, and that water will accumulate in the glass, but you also believe that even if I continue to do this for a very, very long time that glass will never fill up and overflow? Because that's what macroevolution is: substantial accumulation of microevolutionary changes. It's an accumulation of changes large enough to consider the subject a different species entirely from its ancestors.

[Gallowfield]

In my country, anyone who believes such drivel will be shot on sight. There will be no mercy for the infidels.

[Cu Math]

I can't believe in 2012, we're even debating over this. Are we going to debate over whether or not the earth is round next? Perhaps argue over whether tectonic plates move or not. Maybe we can finish it off with debating whether gravity is real or not

Gravity is just a theory!

[Avenio]

In my country, anyone who believes such drivel will be shot on sight. There will be no mercy for the infidels.

This is an OOC forum; we don't use our NationStates countries here.

[Seperates]

In my country, anyone who believes such drivel will be shot on sight. There will be no mercy for the infidels.

Please read. This is an out-of-character forum.

[Gallowfield]

Ah, yes. Forgive my humor, but I support creationism. Macroevolution seems rather improbable to me.

[Avenio]

Ah, yes. Forgive my humor, but I support creationism. Macroevolution seems rather improbable to me.

Not really. Start here if you're interested in learning.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Ah, yes. Forgive my humor, but I support creationism. Macroevolution seems rather improbable to me.

And why is this?

[Seperates]

Ah, yes. Forgive my humor, but I support creationism. Macroevolution seems rather improbable to me.

Good thing that science isn't based on "What is improbable" or not. It's based on what IS.

[The Alma Mater]

Ah, yes. Forgive my humor, but I support creationism. Macroevolution seems rather improbable to me.

Even less probable than creationism ? Wow. That is... pretty improbable indeed.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Good thing that science isn't based on "What is improbable" or not. It's based on what IS.

Now, there's always room for a particular statement to be falsified. And probability does play a role in at least some things (the position of electrons in the atomic cloud, for instance). Let's not be too hard on him/her.

[Gallowfield]

If people evolved from animals with no divine intervention, then why do people do so many things that are counterproductive to their survival? Granted, sometimes animals do such things as well, but they don't always know when they are doing it. You would think that the desire to do things like eating unhealthy food, smoking, suicide, etc. would have been weeded out by natual selection long ago.

[Seperates]

If people evolved from animals with no divine intervention, then why do people do so many things that are counterproductive to their survival? Granted, sometimes animals do such things as well, but they don't always know when they are doing it. You would think that the desire to do things like eating unhealthy food, smoking, suicide, etc. would have been weeded out by natual selection long ago.

Perhaps because most of those are recent trends... not specific to genetics... and most cause problems AFTER you have had children.

[Avenio]

If people evolved from animals with no divine intervention, then why do people do so many things that are counterproductive to their survival? Granted, sometimes animals do such things as well, but they don't always know when they are doing it. You would think that the desire to do things like eating unhealthy food, smoking, suicide, etc. would have been weeded out by natual selection long ago.

Humans do a great deal of unnatural things. Like fly in airplanes, produce antibiotics and live past the age of 60. By creating technology and modifying our environment, we're bypassing normal selection processes that would work on long timescales. Junk food, for example, came about as a result of our brain being programmed to gain pleasure in eating carbohydrate-rich foods. We've simply created diets that are so rich in carbohydrates that they're unhealthy. We're gaming the system, as it were.

[Tlaceceyaya]

If people evolved from animals with no divine intervention, then why do people do so many things that are counterproductive to their survival? Granted, sometimes animals do such things as well, but they don't always know when they are doing it. You would think that the desire to do things like eating unhealthy food, smoking, suicide, etc. would have been weeded out by natual selection long ago.

Most people who die from obesity or smoking do so after having children. And for the last few thousand years, we have not been subjected to the same natural selection pressures. We help our weakest members far more than most other creatures. And then our weakest members breed.

[Seperates]

Good thing that science isn't based on "What is improbable" or not. It's based on what IS.

Now, there's always room for a particular statement to be falsified. And probability does play a role in at least some things (the position of electrons in the atomic cloud, for instance). Let's not be too hard on him/her.

That's the point. We edit it so that it stay to what IS (including probability because it is a scientific mechanism).

[JuNii]

What exactly is the difference between any of the first four options, aside from the times when God creates everything?

simple. some of those follow the thought that "It happened exactly the way the bible describes it." while others are "God created everything. Evolution is how he did it.

[Anthonlandesia]

Yes I am Zaurobias new nation. Well from what I have read from my thread it seems that the evolutionists can't produce any solid evidence for their discredited theory so I am going to have to say that it is settled that creationism is the truth.

[Gallowfield]

Perhaps I could have worded my point more effectively. Assuming you're the average person (which if you're not, I'm sorry), you probably enjoy unhealthy food and a mildly sedentary lifestyle. But if I told you the things you like will shorten your life, it would be your biological imperative to stop doing them in order to give yourself a larger timeframe to reproduce. However, most people would simply shrug and not give my advice a second thought. A perfect example of people doing things that don't make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Apathy is an odd thing to explain, isn't it?

[JuNii]

If people evolved from animals with no divine intervention, then why do people do so many things that are counterproductive to their survival? Granted, sometimes animals do such things as well, but they don't always know when they are doing it. You would think that the desire to do things like eating unhealthy food, smoking, suicide, etc. would have been weeded out by natual selection long ago.

because the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge only had a temporary effect?

[Tlaceceyaya]

To answer your question. Yes I am Zaurobia. I just created this nation since I didn't like the name Zaurobia that much. And furthermore upon reading through the posts of this thread it seems to be settled among the intellectuals that young earth creationism is the truth

What thread are you talking about?

[Tlaceceyaya]

Perhaps I could have worded my point more effectively. Assuming you're the average person (which if you're not, I'm sorry), you probably enjoy unhealthy food and a mildly sedentary lifestyle. But if I told you the things you like will shorten your life, it would be your biological imperative to stop doing them in order to give yourself a larger timeframe to reproduce. However, most people would simply shrug and not give my advice a second thought. A perfect example of people doing things that don't make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Apathy is an odd thing to explain, isn't it?

No. We did not evolve to diet. Our ancestors struggled with starvation, not obesity.

[Great Nepal]

To answer your question. Yes I am Zaurobia. I just created this nation since I didn't like the name Zaurobia that much. And furthermore upon reading through the posts of this thread it seems to be settled among the intellectuals that young earth creationism is the truth

Which dimension are you on?