Creationism vs Evolution thread.

[Vault 1]

So fellow NSer's which do you believe in?

I personally believe Jews did it and blamed it on God, then Darwin saw how thin this cover was and made up a better one.

[ReVaQ]

Personally I believe that all the evidence points to biblical creationism. Specifically young earth creationism.

Yep, all evidence points to the Earth being created 6,000 years AFTER the domestication of the dog. Seems legit.

I suppose in a twisted way it does make sense to argue that the first two humans were being kicked out of the garden of Eden about 20,000 years after clothing was invented, because how else would they have been able to find snazzy duds to hide their suddenly-shameful nudity? And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives. Of course one has to wonder where all those people were living and hunting with tools and creating art and building houses for hundreds of thousands of years before God created the universe. Maybe a Creationist will provide us with some evidence about that!

I'll be right over here holding my breath.

And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives.

Wow. Just wow.

Even Richard Dawkins the famous biologist dosen't even estimate the duration of our species on Earth that LONG. Max would probable about 250.000 years and minimum is 100.000 years. I do hope you just made a typo.

[IshCong]

Yep, all evidence points to the Earth being created 6,000 years AFTER the domestication of the dog. Seems legit.

I suppose in a twisted way it does make sense to argue that the first two humans were being kicked out of the garden of Eden about 20,000 years after clothing was invented, because how else would they have been able to find snazzy duds to hide their suddenly-shameful nudity? And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives. Of course one has to wonder where all those people were living and hunting with tools and creating art and building houses for hundreds of thousands of years before God created the universe. Maybe a Creationist will provide us with some evidence about that!

I'll be right over here holding my breath.

And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives.

Wow. Just wow.

Even Richard Dawkins the famous biologist dosen't even estimate the duration of our species on Earth that LONG. Max would probable about 250.000 years and minimum is 100.000 years. I do hope you just made a typo.

He's probably referring to something aside from Homo sapiens sapiens. Like Homo erectus.
EDIT: Both are Humans, really.

So fellow NSer's which do you believe in? Personally I believe that all the evidence points to biblical creationism. Specifically young earth creationism. But what about you guys and girls?

EDIT: I do believe in microevolution which has been proven but NOT macroevolution which hasn't been proven at all.

Personally I believe that all the evidence points to biblical creationism.

And....................... What would that be for evidence?

You know, I have evidence for Spider-Man. All the comic books, you see they wrote it so it must be true right? I mean come on, no one is an atheist to Spider-man!

Spider-man: Falsifiable.
God: Unfalsifiable.

One can be proven or disproven, and so argumentation is possible.
The other can be neither proven, nor disproven, so argumentation is silly and unproductive.

[Sociobiology]

Um, I can see two major errors (the T-rex, and the jelly fish) but otherwise that is a accurate if brief representation.

Look closer. The T-rex is on the righthand line

but branches off before frogs and not on the line to birds,

the jellyfish on the lefthand one.

but after trilobites

Seems pretty credible to me.

not a bio major I take it.

Except that that isn't "Darwin's tree of life". Unless people normally wore jeans in his time.

I never did agree it was Darwin's.
It could not have been T-rex had not even been discovered while Darwin was alive.

The image is the original placeholder image of the tree of life project, and was never intended to be accurate, yet still has a degree of accuracy.

the current and actual tree of life project can be found here
http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html
And is incredibly accurate.

[Seangoli]

Yep, all evidence points to the Earth being created 6,000 years AFTER the domestication of the dog. Seems legit.

I suppose in a twisted way it does make sense to argue that the first two humans were being kicked out of the garden of Eden about 20,000 years after clothing was invented, because how else would they have been able to find snazzy duds to hide their suddenly-shameful nudity? And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives. Of course one has to wonder where all those people were living and hunting with tools and creating art and building houses for hundreds of thousands of years before God created the universe. Maybe a Creationist will provide us with some evidence about that!

I'll be right over here holding my breath.

And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives.

Wow. Just wow.

Even Richard Dawkins the famous biologist dosen't even estimate the duration of our species on Earth that LONG. Max would probable about 250.000 years and minimum is 100.000 years. I do hope you just made a typo.

Depends on how you use the nomenclature, and your views towards human evolution really. Some refer to all member of the Homo genus as being under the term "human", which would hypothetically bring the time back to about 1 million-ish years. Of course, you could go the other route that many modern biological anthropologists take and argue that everything after and partially including Homo erectus are actually variations within a single a species itself, and should merely be considered within Homo sapiens itself. Which as a bit of credence to it, as the variation one sees in later species is really quite small when compared to the variation one sees within modern living species.

Now if one is talking about Modern Homo sapiens, you have a point sort of. Biologically modern humans appeared about 150,000 years ago (possibly 200,000 if memory serves) with behaviorally modern human appearing sometime later (For a safe bet, 75,000-100,000 years is a good age range but there is little agreement on this issue).

That said, it's all depends on your viewpoints towards our ancestry and how you decide to use the nomenclature. Certainly using "humans" to refer to more archaic forms is neither unheard of nor unprecedented.

[Free Soviets]

the current and actual tree of life project can be found here
http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html
And is incredibly accurate.

and i want a stylized and simplified version as a back piece tattoo

[Free Soviets]

nah. there'd be nothing to have faith in without revelation, which means divine revelation is the basis of religion. the prominence of faith has only gone up as the gods stopped regularly revealing themselves to people except in pieces of toast.

Uh, no, the rate of atheism has pretty much been increasing steadily in the West as of late.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =111885128

you should probably recalibrate your detectors

[Zutroy]

So fellow NSer's which do you believe in?

I personally believe Jews did it and blamed it on God, then Darwin saw how thin this cover was and made up a better one.

Seems legit.

[IshCong]

Uh, no, the rate of atheism has pretty much been increasing steadily in the West as of late.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =111885128

you should probably recalibrate your detectors

What?
Would you like more sources on how atheism has gradually become more common in the West?

[Free Soviets]

you should probably recalibrate your detectors

What?
Would you like more sources on how atheism has gradually become more common in the West?

nah, i mean that religion is ridiculous

[IshCong]

What?
Would you like more sources on how atheism has gradually become more common in the West?

nah, i mean that religion is ridiculous

I didn't say it was. That source was just one that duly noted that the rate of atheism in the West is rising.

[Kandona]

Yep, all evidence points to the Earth being created 6,000 years AFTER the domestication of the dog. Seems legit.

I suppose in a twisted way it does make sense to argue that the first two humans were being kicked out of the garden of Eden about 20,000 years after clothing was invented, because how else would they have been able to find snazzy duds to hide their suddenly-shameful nudity? And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives. Of course one has to wonder where all those people were living and hunting with tools and creating art and building houses for hundreds of thousands of years before God created the universe. Maybe a Creationist will provide us with some evidence about that!

I'll be right over here holding my breath.

And I guess it's sound to say that this must have been occurring some 350,000 years after humans began using controlled fires to cook food, because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives.

Wow. Just wow.

Even Richard Dawkins the famous biologist dosen't even estimate the duration of our species on Earth that LONG. Max would probable about 250.000 years and minimum is 100.000 years. I do hope you just made a typo.

From what I read, and what I have watched... the genus "Homo"( we as humans are Homo sapiens) have been around for about 1.8 million years. Our species "sapiens" has only been around for 50,000 years. The Human Species

[Free Soviets]

nah, i mean that religion is ridiculous

I didn't say it was. That source was just one that duly noted that the rate of atheism in the West is rising.

we seem to be talking past each other. i think religion is kinda dumb and based on obviously faulty sources - visions and other sorts of revelation. and as we've more and more fully adopted an "oh really?" approach to the world, such visions have been increasingly relegated to the domain of psychiatry. and in the wake of that, people started talking more and more about how religion is all about 'faith'. and that's just historically untrue - according to their own traditions the gods used to come through all the time, smiting and such.

[IshCong]

I didn't say it was. That source was just one that duly noted that the rate of atheism in the West is rising.

we seem to be talking past each other. i think religion is kinda dumb and based on obviously faulty sources - visions and other sorts of revelation. and as we've more and more fully adopted an "oh really?" approach to the world, such visions have been increasingly relegated to the domain of psychiatry. and in the wake of that, people started talking more and more about how religion is all about 'faith'. and that's just historically untrue - according to their own traditions the gods used to come through all the time, smiting and such.

Ooooookay then.

[Sanguinum Maria]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

[The Pink Followers]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

They are both, as I understand it. They are transitional in that they bear features similar to two different species, and are yet a species in their own rights.

[Mavorpen]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

Everything is a transitional fossil.

[Sanguinum Maria]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

Everything is a transitional fossil.

Yeah, I kinda figured that would be the case after I posted the question. Doh.

[Wikkiwallana]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

Everything is a transitional fossil.

Not the dead ends.

[Free Soviets]

Quick question.

When it comes to transitional stage fossils, what exactly about them keys us in that they were transitional stages, and not merely their own species that went extinct? If the wording of that question even makes any sense. ;^_^

we can't really tell that, exactly. like, we can't know that this particular population - let alone individual - had offspring that eventually resulted in currently existing species. so instead we call anything with the right sorts of mixed features 'transitional'. the basic idea is that a transitional form is a species that has traits in common with both earlier ancestors and later descendents.

archeopteryx is an absolutely stunning example - a proto-bird with flight feathers and claws on its wings, teeth in its mouth, and a long bony tail.

[Moutere]

because (after all) Adam and Eve had sons but no daughters and yet their sons still found wives.

Don't forget Lilith.

Incest is mentioned at least twice in the bible (see Lots Daughters)

Also Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image ... male and female created he them

Also, in the Old Testament there's this interesting bit (very short mention, can't quote chapter and verse, maybe someone else can) of the Judeo-Christian god being mentioned as one of a pantheon (or a meeting/congregation of gods, my Bible (yes, I posses one, shock, shock, horror, horror) isn't in English, so I don't know the exact term).

Its Psalms 82.1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
The things is Yaweh actually believed that other gods existed which is why there is a commandment to worship no other god...

[Wikkiwallana]

Don't forget Lilith.

Also, in the Old Testament there's this interesting bit (very short mention, can't quote chapter and verse, maybe someone else can) of the Judeo-Christian god being mentioned as one of a pantheon (or a meeting/congregation of gods, my Bible (yes, I posses one, shock, shock, horror, horror) isn't in English, so I don't know the exact term).

Its Psalms 82.1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
The things is Yaweh actually believed that other gods existed which is why their is a commandment to worship no other god...

Or, you know, Psalms was a book of hymns…

[Desperate Measures]

Don't forget Lilith.

Also, in the Old Testament there's this interesting bit (very short mention, can't quote chapter and verse, maybe someone else can) of the Judeo-Christian god being mentioned as one of a pantheon (or a meeting/congregation of gods, my Bible (yes, I posses one, shock, shock, horror, horror) isn't in English, so I don't know the exact term).

Its Psalms 82.1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
The things is Yaweh actually believed that other gods existed which is why their is a commandment to worship no other god...

So we get the jerk that doesn't want to share power? Oh, man. I just realized something. We're probably the fucked up retarded planet in the universe and that Yahweh guy was sent to us just to get out of the other gods hair all the time.

[IshCong]

Don't forget Lilith.

Also, in the Old Testament there's this interesting bit (very short mention, can't quote chapter and verse, maybe someone else can) of the Judeo-Christian god being mentioned as one of a pantheon (or a meeting/congregation of gods, my Bible (yes, I posses one, shock, shock, horror, horror) isn't in English, so I don't know the exact term).

Its Psalms 82.1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
The things is Yaweh actually believed that other gods existed which is why their is a commandment to worship no other god...

You would think an omniscient being would know things pretty well.
Which begs the question of why his follows seem to think there are no other gods.
Unless I'm misreading what you typed.

[Moutere]

Its Psalms 82.1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
The things is Yaweh actually believed that other gods existed which is why their is a commandment to worship no other god...

You would think an omniscient being would know things pretty well.
Which begs the question of why his follows seem to think there are no other gods.
Unless I'm misreading what you typed.

Note I'm not a monotheist so I can't answer that.
But either the whole thing is poetic license (i.e. Psalms IS a book of Hymns) and not revealed truth
or God accepts that there are other 'spirit' entities in the world which imperfect mortals call gods but which are still less than He who created them all