Creationism vs Evolution thread.

[Seperates]

Man, I just noticed that the poll title is "What do you believe in?"

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I believe that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you...stranger.

Wah... RIP Ledger...

[Avenio]

Hey, hey, the man is right, to a point. We can't predict the exact changes that will occur in an enviorment overy millions (or even billions) of years, so we can't accuratly predict what one species will evolve into (or even die out). Most species, in a stable enviorment stay similar barring major seperation and geological change.

Yeah that

which is very different to Darwins Tree of Life

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Which is, of course, why we don't use Darwin's original tree of life anymore.Phylogenies are much more accurate.

[New Heathera]

So fellow NSer's which do you believe in? Personally I believe that all the evidence points to biblical creationism. Specifically young earth creationism. But what about you guys and girls?

EDIT: I do believe in microevolution which has been proven but NOT macroevolution which hasn't been proven at all.

Creationism goes against the law of conservation of matter, considering how impossible it would be to build a human atom by atom. Sorry, science can't be beaten.

[Ridicularia]

Which is, of course, why we don't use Darwin's original tree of life anymore.Phylogenies are much more accurate.

And they still suck. I had to build a few phylogenies last year. 25 hours to calculate, crashed my computer, still got disagreement between results. But yeah, they're better than random drawings. Darwin didn't even have genetics, there was no way he could have known how organisms were related.

[Kvatchdom]

I'm a Darwinian materialist, so yes, evolution is the truth.

[Kandona]

no we haven't - there is no evidence that a fish become an elephant

Because a fish didn't become an elephant. Fish became amphibians. And other types of fish. Mostly the latter.

Then amphibians became reptiles.... reptiles became mammals and birds.... can't forget that part too

But the ones that didn't change... well, they evolved into different types of amphibians, and reptiles

[Free Soviets]

Which is, of course, why we don't use Darwin's original tree of life anymore.Phylogenies are much more accurate.

And they still suck. I had to build a few phylogenies last year. 25 hours to calculate, crashed my computer, still got disagreement between results. But yeah, they're better than random drawings. Darwin didn't even have genetics, there was no way he could have known how organisms were related.

well, other than morphological similarities...

[Beerithica]

I voted but, come on people. This is the 21st century, not the bronze age. We've cast away the prophet for the scientist a long time ago.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I voted but, come on people. This is the 21st century, not the bronze age. We've cast away the prophet for the scientist a long time ago.

Let me guess, your an atheist?

[Beerithica]

Let me guess, your an atheist?

Why are we dragging beliefs into a discussion where they don't belong? Evolution vs. Creationism is a matter of fact vs. fiction.

[Chinese Regions]

So fellow NSer's which do you believe in? Personally I believe that all the evidence points to biblical creationism. Specifically young earth creationism. But what about you guys and girls?

EDIT: I do believe in microevolution which has been proven but NOT macroevolution which hasn't been proven at all.

There is fundamental difference between the two. The only difference is scale, it would be like saying it is possible to walk across the floor of your bedroom but not walk to the supermarket.
"Macroevolution" which isn't even a word, has also been proven.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Let me guess, your an atheist?

Why are we dragging beliefs into a discussion where they don't belong? Evolution vs. Creationism is a matter of fact vs. fiction.

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

[Kandona]

Are you kidding me? They are actually proof of young earth creationism. There is tons of evidence to suggest that they lived along side man until they went extinct as a result of environmental changes. And of course the great flood killed most of them.

You refer to the Great Tomato Sauce Overboil. FSM has repeatedly apologized for that.

you believe in the pasta god thing?

[Wikkiwallana]

Why are we dragging beliefs into a discussion where they don't belong? Evolution vs. Creationism is a matter of fact vs. fiction.

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

Creationism is not the totality of religious teachings.

[Beerithica]

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

When such a teaching conflicts with facts, such as young earth creationism, I'd say it's fictional. That's not to say all religious teachings conflict with facts.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

When such a teaching conflicts with facts, such as young earth creationism, I'd say it's fictional. That's not to say all religious teachings conflict with facts.

Well i suppose everyone is entitled the their own opinion.

[Wikkiwallana]

When such a teaching conflicts with facts, such as young earth creationism, I'd say it's fictional. That's not to say all religious teachings conflict with facts.

Well i suppose everyone is entitled the their own opinion.

Yes, but we are not entitled to our own facts. There's only one set of those, and everyone has to share. And the fact is, YEC is hopeless bull.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Well i suppose everyone is entitled the their own opinion.

Yes, but we are not entitled to our own facts. There's only one set of those, and everyone has to share. And the fact is, YEC is hopeless bull.

What is the difference between YEC and OEC exactly?

[Free Soviets]

Yes, but we are not entitled to our own facts. There's only one set of those, and everyone has to share. And the fact is, YEC is hopeless bull.

What is the difference between YEC and OEC exactly?

YEC is even stupider

[Wikkiwallana]

Yes, but we are not entitled to our own facts. There's only one set of those, and everyone has to share. And the fact is, YEC is hopeless bull.

What is the difference between YEC and OEC exactly?

YEC takes the entire Old Testament completely literally. OEC realizes that parts are metaphors. How much and which parts depends on which branch of OEC.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

What is the difference between YEC and OEC exactly?

YEC takes the entire Old Testament completely literally. OEC realizes that parts are metaphors. How much and which parts depends on which branch of OEC.

Thank you.

[Chronicia]

Why are we dragging beliefs into a discussion where they don't belong? Evolution vs. Creationism is a matter of fact vs. fiction.

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

Interesting debate.

I find it somewhat ironic though that the Soviet Socialist Republic - in the real world, a centrally sponsored atheist state who persecuted the church - is standing up for religion!

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Uh right all religious teachings are fiction.

Interesting debate.

I find it somewhat ironic though that the Soviet Socialist Republic - in the real world, a centrally sponsored atheist state who persecuted the church - is standing up for religion!

I find it terrible that anybody would want to persecute religion, the the USSR did to religious people was terrible, the religions tried to spread love kindness and morality to that country and the government hated them for that. I havent the slightest idea why atheists are atracted to communism and socialism more than theists but religion stands for many things socialism stands for, love, helping those around you, if anything religion makes you more socialist.

Or in other words i dont let my economic belifes interfere with my religion.

[Zutroy]

I believe in microevolution which has been proven over and over again. It is macroevolution that I know is false and have never been proven.

If it has never been proven one way or the other, now do you know it is false? Where do you pull these definitive statements out of?

[Sociobiology]

I believe in microevolution which has been proven over and over again. It is macroevolution that I know is false and have never been proven.

because 1+1+1 =3 but you could never add enough ones together to equal something like 62, right