Creationism vs Evolution thread.

[Catan]

If god wanted us to be creationists, you think he would have mentioned "Kill Darwin" somewhere in the book of revelations.

[Vault 1]

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

Really? How does that work?

If every person has only one sex partner in life, specifically their spouse, of an opposite sex, to which they are lawfully wedded with both parents' permissions, horizontal transmission of HIV will be near eliminated.

Of course, that does not stop little kids with hiv being born from already infected parents, and them continuing to spread the disease to their wife or husband once they grow

That's vertical transmission. But vertical transmission can be stopped right there; and kids born with HIV don't have the life expectancy to continue to horizontal transmission, particularly if we let nature take its course.
Besides, what parent would agree to let their child marry a HIV carrier?

[The Alma Mater]

That's vertical transmission. But vertical transmission can be stopped right there; and kids born with HIV don't have the life expectancy to continue to horizontal transmission, particularly if we let nature take its course.

Is "letting the kid die" the Christian way ?
Hmm, actually - it is. Fair point.

Besides, what parent would agree to let their child marry a HIV carrier?

The bible teaches that if a nonbethroted woman is raped, she should marry the rapist. And we are following Biblical wisdom here.

[Vault 1]

Is "letting the kid die" the Christian way ?
Hmm, actually - it is. Fair point.

Yes if that is God's will.

The bible teaches that if a nonbethroted woman is raped, she should marry the rapist. And we are following Biblical wisdom here.

Stoning has never been eliminated as an option, and is the one to take.

Not to mention that HIV carriers can be screened for how they got the disease and also stoned if it was a result of sinful acts.

[Xsyne]

Really? Then what do IQ tests test for?

Ability to do well in IQ tests.

You're being overly generous here. It's more "ability to do well on that particular IQ test". And since your score tends to improve if you retake an IQ test (I believe it's by about 5 to 10 points on average), it's really more "ability to do well on that particular IQ test at that particular time".

[Vousielle]

Really? How does that work?

If every person has only one sex partner in life, specifically their spouse, of an opposite sex, to which they are lawfully wedded with both parents' permissions, horizontal transmission of HIV will be near eliminated.

How exactly does that utilise biblical wisdom in any way? The nuclear family structure is not really based on the bible, it is a regional/culture thing. The bible only directly addresses polgyamous marriage. There are men in the bible with only one spouse, but that is never labelled as the 'correct' form of marriage. Biblical wisdom and the teachings of contemporary Christians arent the same thing.

[Northwestern Iberia]

If god wanted us to be creationists, you think he would have mentioned "Kill Darwin" somewhere in the book of revelations.

LOOOOOOL

[Xsyne]

But then how did whatever the intelligent being is composed of get there?

Always been there, will always be there.

Now try asking bib bang theorists about how that mass came to be in the first place... they can't even answer that.

What mass? Mass is a property imparted by the Higgs boson, which did not exist until some time after the Big Bang.

[Vault 1]

What mass? Mass is a property imparted by the Higgs boson, which did not exist until some time after the Big Bang.

Prove that Higgs boson exists.

[Catan]

To follow the Bible is to reject the word of science, whose founder Gallileo almost died by the power of the cross. His sacrifice and ridicule saved you from the sin of ignorence, and if you do not beleive, you will go to hell (or the southern US. same thing.)

[Vousielle]

What mass? Mass is a property imparted by the Higgs boson, which did not exist until some time after the Big Bang.

Prove that Higgs boson exists.

Prove that a deity exists. All you can do here is cast doubt on the Higgs Boson, it does nothing to make creationism more plausible

[Xsyne]

What mass? Mass is a property imparted by the Higgs boson, which did not exist until some time after the Big Bang.

Prove that Higgs boson exists.

Cogito ergo sum. It's not widely-known, but Descartes was actually a Higgs boson wearing an elaborate mask.

[Leepaidamba]

Prove that Higgs boson exists.

Cogito ergo sum. It's not widely-known, but Descartes was actually a Higgs boson wearing an elaborate mask.

This proof is better than any post by Vault so far, even though I think 'cogito ergo sum' is wrong.

[Vault 1]

Prove that a deity exists. All you can do here is cast doubt on the Higgs Boson, it does nothing to make creationism more plausible

So Higgs boson is just like God - you can't prove it, but it fits in with your unholy scripture, so you take it on faith.

In essence you also believe in God, or in this case Holy Spirit, only you try to call it by different names, to differ yourself from the crowd.

[Vousielle]

Prove that a deity exists. All you can do here is cast doubt on the Higgs Boson, it does nothing to make creationism more plausible

So Higgs boson is just like God - you can't prove it, but it fits in with your unholy scripture, so you take it on faith.

In essence you also believe in God, or in this case Holy Spirit, only you try to call it by different names, to differ yourself from the crowd.

No. The Higgs Boson fits with available evidence. If it doesnt exist it is no big loss, the point is to find the best explanation based on what we know now. If we never find a Higgs Boson, it just means physicists have been approaching the question wrong. If God is shown to be false an entire cultural institution comes crumbling down, and all the people killed for not believing the right way died in vain.

[The Alma Mater]

Prove that a deity exists. All you can do here is cast doubt on the Higgs Boson, it does nothing to make creationism more plausible

So Higgs boson is just like God - you can't prove it, but it fits in with your unholy scripture, so you take it on faith.

Though with the small twist that the Higgs Believers try their utmost best to disprove its existence; building expensive machinery to do so

[Communist Cyrodiil]

I think evolution makes logical sense.

[Vousielle]

I can't say for certain that the universe wasn't created by an intelligent entity. I do know that creationism is unscientific and not worth my time. We may someday discover that there is a god, but you know who will prove it? Scientists, not priests or philisophers. Join the winning team, search for the truth instead of believing what you were told as a kid.

[Vault 1]

Though with the small twist that the Higgs Believers try their utmost best to disprove its existence; building expensive machinery to do so

To prove it, just to prove it.
If it never catches anything - then either the collider wasn't large enough or the hardons weren't hard enough.

[Leepaidamba]

Though with the small twist that the Higgs Believers try their utmost best to disprove its existence; building expensive machinery to do so

To prove it, just to prove it.
If it never catches anything - then either the collider wasn't large enough or the hardons weren't hard enough.

Hardon? Are you trying to be funny?

[Catan]

Evolution may disprove the bible, so creationism is wrong. No doubt. However, it does not cast doubt on Intelligent Design, so it is still a viable theory.

[Catan]

Evolution may disprove the bible, so creationism is wrong. No doubt. However, it does not cast doubt on Intelligent Design, so it is still a viable theory.

[Vault 1]

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You seem to be a little behind the curve on all this.

[Unchecked Expansion]

Evolution may disprove the bible, so creationism is wrong. No doubt. However, it does not cast doubt on Intelligent Design, so it is still a viable theory.

ID is not a theory or a hypothesis.
It's at the scientific level of 'fairy tale'.

[The Cummunist State]

Evolution may disprove the bible, so creationism is wrong. No doubt. However, it does not cast doubt on Intelligent Design, so it is still a viable theory.

It's not a Theory. It's a malformed hypothesis.