Creationism vs Evolution thread.

[Farnhamia]

The real PR move came when Paul put together the mission to the gentiles. That's when the dietary laws and the requirement for circumcision went, because those two together were a deal breaker. The Early Church, without Saint Paul, would have assimilated back into mainstream Judaism in a couple of generations. By taking Jesus' message to non-Jews, Paul reached a much larger audience, one with money and power.

I disagree about reassimiliation. they were basically divided after the Bar Kokhba revolt which divided jewish people who beleived in bar kokhba from jewish christians at that time.

what happened to the original purpose of this thread . . . .

Bar Kochba was in the 130s, a century after Jesus and a good 75 years after most of the original apostles were dead. Do you mean the Jewish revolt in the 60s, that Vespasian and Titus put down? I don't know that there was a serious division in Judaism between the mainstream and Jewish Christians. I think the latter were always a minority and either gave up their Jewishness or gave up their Christianity, one way or the other.

[The Alma Mater]

Well i'm leaving for another 70 pages again (maybe?), i still see no great division between science and religion.

I ask again: please make a functioning cdplayer, microwave or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

[Aquahelper]

I disagree about reassimiliation. they were basically divided after the Bar Kokhba revolt which divided jewish people who beleived in bar kokhba from jewish christians at that time.

what happened to the original purpose of this thread . . . .

Bar Kochba was in the 130s, a century after Jesus and a good 75 years after most of the original apostles were dead. Do you mean the Jewish revolt in the 60s, that Vespasian and Titus put down? I don't know that there was a serious division in Judaism between the mainstream and Jewish Christians. I think the latter were always a minority and either gave up their Jewishness or gave up their Christianity, one way or the other.

bar kokhba was a self proclaimed messiah who established a nation, hence the division with christians. I think it was the definitive moment you can say Judaism separated from christianity.

Well i'm leaving for another 70 pages again (maybe?), i still see no great division between science and religion.

I ask again: please make a functioning cdplayer, microwave or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

all I have to say about it is on this page viewtopic.php?f=20&t=175410&start=1825 near the bottom, the long post

[The Alma Mater]

all I have to say about it is on this page viewtopic.php?f=20&t=175410&start=1825 near the bottom, the long post

But that does not adress my point

[Aquahelper]

all I have to say about it is on this page viewtopic.php?f=20&t=175410&start=1825 near the bottom, the long post

But that does not adress my point

because i'm a christian with some semblance of rationality that seems to be so lacking within christianity? (that and i'm a science major)

but anyway to work go I.

[Farnhamia]

Bar Kochba was in the 130s, a century after Jesus and a good 75 years after most of the original apostles were dead. Do you mean the Jewish revolt in the 60s, that Vespasian and Titus put down? I don't know that there was a serious division in Judaism between the mainstream and Jewish Christians. I think the latter were always a minority and either gave up their Jewishness or gave up their Christianity, one way or the other.

bar kokhba was a self proclaimed messiah who established a nation, hence the division with christians. I think it was the definitive moment you can say Judaism separated from christianity.

I ask again: please make a functioning cdplayer, microwave or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

all I have to say about it is on this page viewtopic.php?f=20&t=175410&start=1825 near the bottom, the long post

Simon bar Kokhba was, indeed, a self-proclaimed messiah. His "nation" lasted all of three years and it took over 1800 years for another Jewish state to be born in Palestine. I've done some looking around and I'll concede that the quelling of the Bar Kokhba revolt was the final blow that split Christianity away from Judaism, but that split had been under way since the mid 1st century.

My point about reassimilation is, without Paul's mission to the gentiles, the circle of Christianity would have been quite small, consisting of observant Jews who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah and who were waiting for his imminent return. As time passed and he did not return, that group would probably have given up waiting and simply resumed being mainstream Jews. Paul took Christianity out of Palestine into the larger Empire and saved it from that fate.

But yeah ... creationism? Evolution? Oh, there you are, over in the corner. Sorry, creationism, there's still no evidence that supports you. I know, I'm sorry, it's not fair, but it's the truth. You can go hang out in the Comparative Religions ... What? Well, that's pretty rude. So what if the Hindus are burning incense all the time, they don't complain about all your hymn-singing ... Well! I never! You march yourself down to the principal's office and explain yourself to him!

[Vault 1]

or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

[The Alma Mater]

or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

Having 700 wives and 300 concubines does not help to slow Aids down

[Farnhamia]

or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

Really? How does that work?

[The Alma Mater]

But that does not adress my point

because i'm a christian with some semblance of rationality that seems to be so lacking within christianity? (that and i'm a science major)

No, because it does not compare creationism and evolution on their scientific merits. Which is what creationists want - since creationism is the "scientific" version of the Genesis story.

As soon as creationists have something to show which makes creationism worthwhile - be it a cure for something, or a device that taps that water God hid in the center of the earth after the flood, a potion which extends our lives to centuries just like Noahs and Methusalems, a way to construct aircraft carriers out of wood...

...THEN I am more then willing to take them seriously. But until then they are just another group of crackpots.

[The Cummunist State]

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

Really? How does that work?

He's just going to answer abstinence. Which is bullshit.
Preemptive strike!

[Chinese Regions]

or treatment for a viral disease of your choice using creationist science

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

[Farnhamia]

Really? How does that work?

He's just going to answer abstinence. Which is bullshit.
Preemptive strike!

My money's on doing away with all the homosexuals, with a side of abstinence.

[The Cummunist State]

He's just going to answer abstinence. Which is bullshit.
Preemptive strike!

My money's on doing away with all the homosexuals, with a side of abstinence.

Oh, and liberals! Don't forget them. And Muslims and Atheists contribute to it

[Leepaidamba]

Really? How does that work?

He's just going to answer abstinence. Which is bullshit.
Preemptive strike!

Abstinence only works most of the time if you follow through. And that's not even taking into account that when abstinence fails, it fails hard. And it fails too often.

[The Alma Mater]

My money's on doing away with all the homosexuals, with a side of abstinence.

Oh, and liberals! Don't forget them. And Muslims and Atheists contribute to it

Seriously though, they probably refer to limiting sex within marriage and doing away with bloodtransfusions.

Of course, that does not stop little kids with hiv being born from already infected parents, and them continuing to spread the disease to their wife or husband once they grow up. Because condoms are sinful, and it is every christians duty to make as many babies as possible.

[Farnhamia]

He's just going to answer abstinence. Which is bullshit.
Preemptive strike!

Abstinence only works most of the time if you follow through. And that's not even taking into account that when abstinence fails, it fails hard. And it fails too often.

True (I hate not being able to use apostrophes and punctuation in the spoiler tags, don't you?).

[Samuraikoku]

Oh, and liberals! Don't forget them. And Muslims and Atheists contribute to it

Seriously though, they probably refer to limiting sex within marriage and doing away with bloodtransfusions.

Of course, that does not stop little kids with hiv being born from already infected parents, and them continuing to spread the disease to their wife or husband once they grow up. Because condoms are sinful.

The sanctity of life!

[Farnhamia]

Oh, and liberals! Don't forget them. And Muslims and Atheists contribute to it

Seriously though, they probably refer to limiting sex within marriage and doing away with bloodtransfusions.

Of course, that does not stop little kids with hiv being born from already infected parents, and them continuing to spread the disease to their wife or husband once they grow up. Because condoms are sinful, and it is every christians duty to make as many babies as possible.

I suppose we should make the hard choices and either quarantine or eliminate everyone who tests positive for HIV.

[Great Nepal]

It's not exactly a treatment, but you could use Biblical wisdom to stop and near eliminate HIV/AIDS.

Really? How does that work?

Unless I am wrong: Jesus could cure by touching people...
So, you old Bible in one hand and touch affected person's genitalia with another followed by smoothing of it using Bible. and Vaseline
It will cure AIDS.

[The Alma Mater]

Seriously though, they probably refer to limiting sex within marriage and doing away with bloodtransfusions.

Of course, that does not stop little kids with hiv being born from already infected parents, and them continuing to spread the disease to their wife or husband once they grow up. Because condoms are sinful, and it is every christians duty to make as many babies as possible.

I suppose we should make the hard choices and either quarantine or eliminate everyone who tests positive for HIV.

Nah. According to creationism, HIV can not exist. It can not be new, and since it is not old, it is merely a figment of our imagination.

Voila ! Creationism cured AIDS. That has earned it a place in the classroom, right ?

[Samuraikoku]

I suppose we should make the hard choices and either quarantine or eliminate everyone who tests positive for HIV.

There's one person that I know that is HIV positive. I'd never let them do that to said person.

[Farnhamia]

I suppose we should make the hard choices and either quarantine or eliminate everyone who tests positive for HIV.

There's one person that I know that is HIV positive. I'd never let them do that to said person.

Don't worry.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Really? How does that work?

Unless I am wrong: Jesus could cure by touching people...
So, you old Bible in one hand and touch affected person's genitalia with another followed by smoothing of it using Bible. and Vaseline
It will cure AIDS.

Ah, so priests in the Vatican were actually getting young boys to cure their AIDS. They were so misunderstood!

[Great Nepal]

Unless I am wrong: Jesus could cure by touching people...
So, you old Bible in one hand and touch affected person's genitalia with another followed by smoothing of it using Bible. and Vaseline
It will cure AIDS.

Ah, so priests in the Vatican were actually getting young boys to cure their AIDS. They were so misunderstood!

Indeed.
They were creating medicine for AIDS however were brutally stopped and contributed to millions dying due to AIDS.