Will Obama "Improve" after the 2012 election?

[The Corparation]

After he's elected he's obviously going to come out of the closet as gay transvestite Muslim atheist communist Nazi baby eater.He'll then take our guns and kill our old people and make white people slaves and shit....or more likely things will continue on the same course and he'll keep doing the mostly mediocre job he's been doing

[Our New World Oceania]

If he were to win, he wouldn't "improve" because his entire time in office was all just a bunch of "improv."

And it wouldn't be any different with anybody else because...?

The only thing that makes him different is the fact that he's black, and it's the only thing that won him the election too.

[Vousielle]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

For fuck's sake, anyone who thinks Obama is a leftist is an idiot. Well for one, our left ain't even the left. It's just more right, closer to centrism. Obama's a moderate liberal at best. He's centrist on our political compass, but on the actual political compass, all powerful American politicians are to the right, not the left.

Hahaha of course, I finish typing up an edit to that effect only to find you stated it already, not to mention more clearly.

[Yorick]

I don't think he will But if he does then we are in for one bad surprise. It would be a blessing if he doesn't win.

I honestly don't see how it matters. It's not like Mitt Romney is going to shake up the status quo in any way. I'm not a Gingrich supporter at all, in fact I hate him, but his one liner about Romney "managing our decline" was pretty apt.

[Mosasauria]

I don't think he will But if he does then we are in for one bad surprise. It would be a blessing if he doesn't win.

How so? We'd be stuck with more fascists.

[Renaissance Prussia]

I don't think he will But if he does then we are in for one bad surprise. It would be a blessing if he doesn't win.

Why would it be a blessing what has been so bad that it is really important to change the president, in fact our economy is the best its been right now for three years, and unemployment is decreasing.

[The Republic of Lanos]

No. He even mentioned in a leaked microphone conversation that winning the election will make him "more flexable", meaning that he wont have to worry about any political opposition and can lean as far to the left as he wants to. You will see obama stop appeasing the right and return back to the "first two years" phase when he was handing out stimulus checks, passing healthcare bills without reading them, and baling out car businesses that should have failed.

And if the Republicans take the Congress completely, you will see him blame Republicans while acting by executive fiat. Of course, things will blow up in his face when multiple legal challenges to him ruling by decree gain fruition in the courts.

[Vousielle]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

I was thinking in a timescale of the 1950's to now.

[Edit] I probably should have explicitly stated that in hindsight.

[Ngelmish]

Obviously "improvement" is a loaded term since there are lots of different ways of measuring it. Will Obama be more likely to govern closer to the center than he is currently? I think so. Will ideological hacks and misinformed people scream about his all-encroaching leftism? Yes. Would I view that as an improvement? Moderately.

[AETEN II]

For fuck's sake, anyone who thinks Obama is a leftist is an idiot. Well for one, our left ain't even the left. It's just more right, closer to centrism. Obama's a moderate liberal at best. He's centrist on our political compass, but on the actual political compass, all powerful American politicians are to the right, not the left.

This. Which makes American conservatives really scary.

It's also sad that so few understand that. I also makes me laugh whenever someone calls an American politician that hasn't stated he's communist to be communist. Cause it's impossible.

[Mosasauria]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

As I've said, American conservatives are really, really scary.

[Renascibilitas]

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

I was thinking in a timescale of the 1950's to now.

If only the GOP had a guy like Eisenhower running.

[Mosasauria]

Obviously "improvement" is a loaded term since there are lots of different ways of measuring it. Will Obama be more likely to govern closer to the center than he is currently? I think so. Will ideological hacks and misinformed people scream about his all-encroaching leftism? Yes. Would I view that as an improvement? Moderately.

This. This is how I see Obama's second term as being.

[AETEN II]

I don't think he will But if he does then we are in for one bad surprise. It would be a blessing if he doesn't win.

How so? We'd be stuck with more fascists.

Actually know. Facists on the compass are up, not right. That's why Libertarians are down.

[Ertae]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

Ron Paul wants a trillion in cuts, slashing five departments, and abolition of the income tax. Granted, he's not the mainstream, but most of them operate off of similar rhetoric.

[Yorick]

I was thinking in a timescale of the 1950's to now.

If only the GOP had a guy like Eisenhower running.

You mean the person who quietly supported Segregation and launched a massive racial profiling campaign to kick out all illegal immigrants? I don't think people here have much of a sense of scale. Granted again, my views are far to the right of 90% of NS but still.

[Mosasauria]

This. Which makes American conservatives really scary.

It's also sad that so few understand that. I also makes me laugh whenever someone calls an American politician that hasn't stated he's communist to be communist. Cause it's impossible.

Well, you know, anyone who doesn't support the glorious cause of being a Christian Moral Crusader who's out to defend White People and the Rich from injustice at the hands of the Libruhl Eleet is obv. a Commie.

[Socialist Ecuador]

I was thinking in a timescale of the 1950's to now.

If only the GOP had a guy like Eisenhower running.

If Eisenhower was running as a Republican now, he'd be cast out as a LIEbral DIM-0-crap socialist fascist ultra super Hitler Nazi RINO. See: John Huntsman. Hell, he'd probably be to the left of a lot of Democrats.

[Mosasauria]

How so? We'd be stuck with more fascists.

Actually know. Facists on the compass are up, not right. That's why Libertarians are down.

The alternatives to Obama tend to say they want small government, but then want to regulate absolutely everything a person does in his/her life.

[Pohlmania]

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[Mosasauria]

If only the GOP had a guy like Eisenhower running.

You mean the person who quietly supported Segregation and launched a massive racial profiling campaign to kick out all illegal immigrants? I don't think people here have much of a sense of scale. Granted again, my views are far to the right of 90% of NS but still.

Welcome to America. Would you like a Coke and fries with that?

[AETEN II]

It's also sad that so few understand that. I also makes me laugh whenever someone calls an American politician that hasn't stated he's communist to be communist. Cause it's impossible.

Well, you know, anyone who doesn't support the glorious cause of being a Christian Moral Crusader who's out to defend White People and the Rich from injustice at the hands of the Libruhl Eleet is obv. a Commie.

Nah, what would be really scary if a conservative was elected who was in the second quadrant at the farthest corner up. THEN we would be fucked. Hopefully he'd make it obvious however and sport a pencil moustache.

[Sucrati]

Hopefully he'll improve by growing a spine and not caving in to absolutely everything the Republicans angrily demand in the spirit of "Bipartisanship".

He touts off Bipartisanship over and over until the Republicans won the House back, and then it's suddenly a bad thing?

Anywho, while it's pretty much guaranteed that Obama and the Democrats will win in 2012, due to the lack of sense by Republicans in Congress and the media throwing Romney under the bus. Obama will go onto finish up his agenda seeing that he can't be re-elected after 2 terms in office. What he does however, is entirely up for him and his allies to get done.

Yes, he'll improve his standing with his base and his hardcore supporters. However, he won't be much help with the economic and foreign policy issues.

[Seperates]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

Aha... Yes, well, but they weren't talking about defunding everything but the war effort, outlawing gay marriage and abortion, and playing chicken with the budget deadline to achieve their political gains.

Actually Republicans have historically been more "left". I mean, Reagan even raised taxes during his second term due to the exponential deficet caused by his application of supply-side economic theory (also called Reaganomics). Which is one of the reasons that I love Reagan. He honestly just wanted to help the American people, and at first he thought that supply side would be the thing to do it. But when it obviously was failing, he didn't countinue to pursue it, he altered course, realizing that his theory wasn't, in actuality, the best thing for the people of the U.S.

[Renaissance Prussia]

I do think that it's almost inevitable that he will win the election, he's far more moderate than Mitt Romney's made himself out to be, and now that he's gone so far right he's not allowed to go back without looking like a total liar.

The answer as to whether or not I think President Obama will improve after the election this November, I say yes. Given that since 2009, Obama has been hounded with calls that he's not an American, he's a Muslim, he's not a Christian, he's a socialist, and so on and so forth. Since then, I think he's felt like he's had to clear his name rather than lead and that's a huge problem. With a second term - essentially a "lame duck" term, he wouldn't have to worry about getting reelected - he could do all the thing all liberals wish he would do; lead.

President Obama has had a real hard time standing up for himself and his beliefs, specifically with Congress. While "reaching across the aisle" and compromise is definitely the thing that needs to be promoted, giving the Republicans a win at every single juncture is not a winning or leading approach. Hopefully, and I think so, Obama with a second and therefore "lame duck" term he will stand up for himself and do what he wants, how he wants. Right now in this country we badly need a leader. We need someone to inspire us and I definitely think - even as a moderate who supported Hillary in 2008 - that President Obama can really be the man that inspired a generation. Much like that of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan.

Thank You!!!! This is what I try to tell my friends who think they know politics!