Will Obama "Improve" after the 2012 election?

[Renascibilitas]

Look at what you get for your taxes in Sweden.

Look up Sweden. Second highest tax rates in the world.

I wasn't disputing that...at all.


What I was saying was that you pay high taxes, but you get more in return. With the United States, your money goes to business subsidies, oil companies, defense, and waste. In Sweden, you get health care, 18 month maternal leave, free lunches for school children. The list goes on.

[Mosasauria]

If he does win the election(Which is more than likely), then he won't necessarily improve so much as get a backbone. He won't be bending over every time the Republicans yell ,"Buck dich!"

[Wirbel]

Look up Sweden. Second highest tax rates in the world.

That has jack shit to do with his post, buddy. High taxes are irrelevant if you get great benefits with them that decrease your spending on other services.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

[Renascibilitas]

That has jack shit to do with his post, buddy. High taxes are irrelevant if you get great benefits with them that decrease your spending on other services.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

I'm pretty sure these benefits are given to everyone in Sweden.

[Wirbel]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

[Ertae]

That has jack shit to do with his post, buddy. High taxes are irrelevant if you get great benefits with them that decrease your spending on other services.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

To all people. It's not as if your livelihood is being totally destroyed for all other sakes. But you operate on the principle that individuality and freedom to do what you will with whatever you get your hands on is better than ensuring your fellow human being isn't left to starve or freeze.

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

...because that's common sense. There's a difference between socialism and fascism. The United States wasn't meant to be the government-/money-choked morass it is now; does that mean the initial intention was all wrong? The Soviet Union was intended to be a socialist state. Stalin ensured it wouldn't be.

[AETEN II]

Nothing to improve on? Who on earth said that? As long as the world turns, there will be things to improve.

But bottom line is that Obama will only make this great nation more Socialist like Europe a terrible place of socialism and too much alcohol.

The thread title here should be not Will Obama improve... it should be "Once Mitt wins what can He do to reverse the devastating Obamanomics and Obama White House Machine policies?"

As that is a much more realistic title albeit a tiny bit longer. But Obama has done so much wrong in his presidency it is despicable!

-War on Christmas
-War on Religion
-Putting Joe Biden to Sleep at a speech

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-Obama-Care
-Being a Secret Muslim
-A Secret Kenyan
-Saying that he wants to decriminalize Marijuana
and the list goes on and on I'm sure of it.

So for the sake of America vote Republican in 2012 as it will save america.

Fucking awesome.

Obama will also win the election. Mitt Romney no tiene el voto latino. Not to mention Mitt's alienated a great deal of women voters as well. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would think that Republicans are trying to get Obama re-elected. Or are failing so damn hard it looks like it.

[Laerod]

That has jack shit to do with his post, buddy. High taxes are irrelevant if you get great benefits with them that decrease your spending on other services.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

Awesome, isn't it =D

[TaQud]

If he does win the election(Which is more than likely), then he won't necessarily improve so much as get a backbone. He won't be bending over every time the Republicans yell ,"Buck dich!"

He has to do at least something. He can't just go on trips to countries and do nothing he says in speeches.

[The Pink Followers]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

Because it wasn't. It was state-capitalistic, quasi-communistic and totalitarian.

[Vousielle]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

[Addendum] In any case, the american political spectrum is far more centrist due to our two-party system than you might find in a parliamentary democracy like France for example, and our political center tends conservative so slightly left of our center would be seen as center-right elsewhere in the world.

[Renascibilitas]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

If you knew anything about socialism, you would know that the Soviet Union was not socialist. The Russian Revolution was hijacked by fascist like Stalin.

The long term? Let's think about that: Why are we putting a 15th century economic ideology above a 19th century one?

[Wirbel]

It doesn't work because there aren't any incentives. No incentives= No business= No cash flow= No good living quality. People have tried to implement these theoretical models that you dream of, but it hasn't worked yet.

You know you have to work in a socialist nation to get rewards, right?

In your imaginary NS nation.

[Mosasauria]

If he does win the election(Which is more than likely), then he won't necessarily improve so much as get a backbone. He won't be bending over every time the Republicans yell ,"Buck dich!"

He has to do at least something. He can't just go on trips to countries and do nothing he says in speeches.

Thing is, if he's reelected, he'll actually be doing the things he promises because he won't be worrying about reelection. Politicians tend to show their true face in their last term.
Whether that will be good or bad in Obama's case, I don't know. However, it seems infinitely better to me than the alternatives.

[Renaissance Prussia]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

That has jack shit to do with his post, buddy. High taxes are irrelevant if you get great benefits with them that decrease your spending on other services.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

Complaining wont get you anywhere and there is no socialist bills or laws that have been passed or made by the Obama administration.

[Renascibilitas]

You know you have to work in a socialist nation to get rewards, right?

In your imaginary NS nation.

My nation has huge subsidies, little regulation, no political freedoms, and hates the environment. Essentially the exactly opposite of socialism.

Again, you've showed you fail to understand socialism. For six hours of labor, you receive items that took six hours of labor to make. The government doesn't grant you these things for doing nothing.

[Mosasauria]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

If you knew anything about socialism, you would know that the Soviet Union was not socialist. The Russian Revolution was hijacked by fascist like Stalin.

The long term? Let's think about that: Why are we putting a 15th century economic ideology above a 19th century one?

It technically was Socialist, but yes, it was hijacked. Hence why Stalinism/State Socialism is now a term.

[AETEN II]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

For fuck's sake, anyone who thinks Obama is a leftist is an idiot. Well for one, our left ain't even the left. It's just more right, closer to centrism. Obama's a moderate liberal at best. He's centrist on our political compass, but on the actual political compass, all powerful American politicians are to the right, not the left.

[Our New World Oceania]

If he were to win, he wouldn't "improve" because his entire time in office was all just a bunch of "improv."

[Mosasauria]

I'm done with this stupid discussion. You socialists don't really think about the long term, do you. You deny that the Soviet Union was socialist to defend your idea.

Great benefits? Great Benefits? They are all given away to other people!

Complaining wont get you anywhere and there is no socialist bills or laws that have been passed or made by the Obama administration.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT MEDICARE THINGAMAJIGAMABOB THAT OBUMMER PASSED IN THE NAME OF SOCIALISM AND NGOS!2!!

[Mosasauria]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

For fuck's sake, anyone who thinks Obama is a leftist is an idiot. Well for one, our left ain't even the left. It's just more right, closer to centrism. Obama's a moderate liberal at best. He's centrist on our political compass, but on the actual political compass, all powerful American politicians are to the right, not the left.

This. Which makes American conservatives really scary.

[Seperates]

If he were to win, he wouldn't "improve" because his entire time in office was all just a bunch of "improv."

And it wouldn't be any different with anybody else because...?

[Yorick]

Wirbel, here is the thing. I am not disputing your right to disagree with the President, but you need to have a realistic view of the political situation. There is a widening ideological gap between Pres. Obama and the GOP, but it isn't because Obama is a crazy leftist. Rather the GOP has been drifting right in recent years, that is what accounts for the disparity. Obama is center-right... it''s just that centrism and the Republican Party has less and less in common lately. The term RINO is used to denote Conservative moderates who haven't changed with the times.

The Republicans were much more right-wing in the past than they are now, not less. Look at Bob Dole's platform in 1996 for example: he was talking about 15% tax cuts across the board and abolishing whole government departments. And he was the moderate in that race, Pat Buchanan was considered the conservative alternative!

[Guatamala]

I don't think he will But if he does then we are in for one bad surprise. It would be a blessing if he doesn't win.

[Seneca]

Nobody knows for sure what will happen.