Sex!

[Smunkeeville]

For me or for others?

I don't really care what others do, although I might disagree with their choices I wouldn't try to stop them from making them.

I don't really have the desire to have sex with anyone other than my husband, in fact the thought of it icks me out a little bit. That could be because I don't really have the desire to actually be around anyone but my husband for more than 3-4 minutes... everyone else is inferior and they piss me off.

I think as long as things are consensual then it's probably okay. I'm just not going to consent to anything outside of my marriage for now.

[Bottle]

Out of curiosity:

Do you believe there are no people who feel "naturally" inclined toward monogamy?

I believe that everybody's different, and that certainly there's probably someone, somewhere, who feels that way. But considering the likelihood that it's actually a moral decision on their part rather than a natural one, I'd say my answer to your question is yes. Monogamy is an abomination created by puritanical moralists, not the natural way humans were intended to live.

I think it's pretty hard to say what's "natural" and what's "artificial" when it comes to human behavior. I mean, I see what you're saying, but I don't know that you can really say a person's moral values are "unnatural." That's basically the same as claiming that our instinctive behaviors are "natural" while our reasoned behaviors are "non-natural," and I don't agree with that. Instinct isn't any more (or less) natural than our conscious, rational thoughts. It's all generated in our beautiful natural brains, eh?

[Cabra West]

I think there are people who are "serial monogamists" by nature. They become completely infatuated with one person, and are exclusively interested in that person, for a year or two. Then they cease being interested in that person and move on to another relationship.

That counts as "monogamy" in my book, since at any given time they have only one partner. Life-long monogamy is a whole other story.

I think that actually matches my observations as well.
However, I think towards the end of a monogamous relationship, most people tend towards polyarmoury, usually staying with the previous partner while already engaging with the next.

[Aelosia]

I am a virgin...

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[RightLeaningChristians]

I am a virgin...

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6 Seconds of my life gone..

[New Olwe]

I think it's pretty hard to say what's "natural" and what's "artificial" when it comes to human behavior. I mean, I see what you're saying, but I don't know that you can really say a person's moral values are "unnatural." That's basically the same as claiming that our instinctive behaviors are "natural" while our reasoned behaviors are "non-natural," and I don't agree with that. Instinct isn't any more (or less) natural than our conscious, rational thoughts. It's all generated in our beautiful natural brains, eh?

When a moral value or rational thought overrides an instinct or consciously, intentionally defies nature somehow, then it's unnatural. Not discounting morality or rational thought entirely, but they have their place and they shouldn't overstep their bounds.

Basically, I follow the same faith as Maryann on True Blood, except with slightly more rationality and a lot less cruelty and cannibalism.

[Smunkeeville]

I think it's pretty hard to say what's "natural" and what's "artificial" when it comes to human behavior. I mean, I see what you're saying, but I don't know that you can really say a person's moral values are "unnatural." That's basically the same as claiming that our instinctive behaviors are "natural" while our reasoned behaviors are "non-natural," and I don't agree with that. Instinct isn't any more (or less) natural than our conscious, rational thoughts. It's all generated in our beautiful natural brains, eh?

When a moral value or rational thought overrides an instinct or consciously, intentionally defies nature somehow, then it's unnatural. Not discounting morality or rational thought entirely, but they have their place and they shouldn't overstep their bounds.

Basically, I follow the same faith as Maryann on True Blood, except with slightly more rationality and a lot less cruelty and cannibalism.

Does unnatural = bad?

Because my natural instinct is to punch people in the face when they piss me off. My conscious decision not to is one of the things keeping me out of jail.

[German Nightmare]

"That's the red-light district. I wonder why Savage is hanging around down there."
"Sex, Frank?"
"Uh, no, not right now, Ed."

[Aelosia]

I am a virgin...

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6 Seconds of my life gone..

Curiosity can be dangerous. 6 seconds of your life that could be used for sex or anything better.

[Sarkhaan]

Man, this thread really has me craving Starbucks...

I am a virgin...

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6 Seconds of my life gone..

Ten, including making a post to indicate how little you cared...

[New Olwe]

Does unnatural = bad?

Because my natural instinct is to punch people in the face when they piss me off. My conscious decision not to is one of the things keeping me out of jail.

Nitpicking, and a strawman argument. I'm really having trouble taking you seriously right now. But just in case you're curious, the fact that I can't punch somebody in the face without going to jail goes directly against my religious beliefs.

[Treznor]

Does unnatural = bad?

Because my natural instinct is to punch people in the face when they piss me off. My conscious decision not to is one of the things keeping me out of jail.

Nitpicking, and a strawman argument. I'm really having trouble taking you seriously right now. But just in case you're curious, the fact that I can't punch somebody in the face without going to jail goes directly against my religious beliefs.

I don't see how it's a strawman argument. She's pointing out that humans are filled with all manner of urges deemed "natural" and "unnatural," and attempts to label that behavior as one or the other is rather hypocritical. Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

[Cameroi]

actually the obsession with it was created by the repression of it, for the purpose of making everyone more aggressive so kings could raise armies to fight wars.

what is needed is the lowering of furtility (the probability of pregnancy) so that its calming effect can be practiced and shared more widely, thus lowering ambient aggressiveness, and thereby making the world a safer and less brutal place.

i'm thankful that for me it hasn't been an issue for a number of years.

[Cameroi]

I am a virgin...

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6 Seconds of my life gone..

Curiosity can be dangerous. 6 seconds of your life that could be used for sex or anything better.

"curiosity did not kill this cat" - studs turkle

[Treznor]

actually the obsession with it was created by the repression of it, for the purpose of making everyone more aggressive so kings could raise armies to fight wars.

what is needed is the lowering of furtility (the probability of pregnancy) so that its calming effect can be practiced and shared more widely, thus lowering ambient aggressiveness, and thereby making the world a safer and less brutal place.

i'm thankful that for me it hasn't been an issue for a number of years.

That's a unique perspective on history. I had no idea that sexual repression was a political tool instead of a religious one. Do you have references for this?

[Pope Joan]

I think we think about food a lot more than about sex.

This is borne out by something i read somewhere:

"The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why and Where phases.
"For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question How can we eat? the second by the question Why do we eat? and the third by the question Where shall we have lunch?"

[New Olwe]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

[Insertdecentnamehere]

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

Not everyone is attracted to more than one person at a time.

[Ismon]

So long as it is consensual and everyone concerned is pubescent then so be it.

[Treznor]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

However, monogamy is shown to have significant biological benefits particularly within females. A female who is able to attract a long-term mate who is a demonstrated good provider and caretaker for her children finds a natural advantage in monogamy. So it can and has been demonstrated that monogamy is a natural urge in people, it's just not the only natural urge in sexuality. People have placed so much emphasis on monogamy as the only "correct" choice that it's created a great deal of confusion as well as frustration in sexual relations.

Your attitude demonstrates a reaction to monogamous thought, for which I sympathize but just because I agree that monogamy is not the only choice doesn't mean I agree that it's invalidated. People can freely choose to be monogamous as well as non-monogamous, and neither choice is inherently more correct than the other.

[Aelosia]

I am monogamous, I can't desire two people at the same time...

The frequency in which I change my preference, however, it is another matter....

[Bottle]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

I don't see how that is remotely true.

I find a wide range of foods appealing, but that doesn't mean I choose to eat absolutely anything that seems appetizing to me. It's perfectly natural to limit which impulses you respond to...other animals do this all the time.

[Smunkeeville]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

I'm only attracted to the one person though.

[Bottle]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

I'm only attracted to the one person though.

No no, Smunk, you're just brainwashed by culture/religion/whatever to THINK you feel that way. You don't actually feel the way you think you feel, you actually feel the way a total stranger tells you that you feel.

[Taeshan]

I don't see how it's a strawman argument.

I saw it as one, and jumped on it. I'm willing to admit I might've been wrong. *shrugs*

Why are certain sexual urges deemed "unnatural" and others "natural"? Why is monogamy any less natural than the urge to punch someone in the face?

Monogamy is unnatural because of sexual urges. As long as we are attracted to multiple people, it will be unnatural for us to limit ourselves to only one. Lust is there so we can act on it. It is a divine gift, which many people waste.

I'm only attracted to the one person though.

I'm usually attracted to more then one person at a time but eventualy it narrows down, but to my inability to act upon this leads me to a point of doing it all over again. Also i get very picky as some points and have to do it as well.