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Sex?

Yes, please.
94
36%
Absolutely not!
8
3%
Only within extremely rigorous boundaries.
11
4%
Anything goes.
49
19%
Anyone goes.
28
11%
I don't know. What's it like?
22
8%
I used to know what it was.
8
3%
"sex is the most degrading, depraved, disgusting, disturbing, nasty, noxious, filthy, foul, venal, evil, sinful and just plain wrong thing in this plane of existence, and you should only share it with the person you love most!"
11
4%
Myrth.
30
11%
 
Total votes : 261

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Treznor
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Sex!

Postby Treznor » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:42 am

I don't think anyone can argue against the statement that humans are obsessed with sex. We're obsessed with having it, fantasizing about it or worrying about who is doing what to whom. It permeates our conversations, our politics, our literature and especially our advertising. So, as I'm sure has been done so many times before, let's get NSG's take on it: where do you stand on sex?

I am an unabashed hedonist. I see no point in repressing sex for religion or morality's sake, but I recognize the need for caution in sex regarding hygenic and emotional pitfalls. I don't see the point in telling two, three or fifty consenting adults who they can or can't have sex with, or how they can engage in it. I think it's a physical, emotional and mental union that can be as frivolous as a cheap thrill and as meaningful as a lasting relationship. I don't think sex can be restricted to any one thing, but can encompass whatever meaning we choose to assign to it.

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RightLeaningChristians
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Postby RightLeaningChristians » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:45 am

I voted for Rigorous Boundaries.


Sex only after Marriage imo.
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Insertdecentnamehere
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Postby Insertdecentnamehere » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:50 am

Do whatever the fuck you want so long as you're both (or all 4 of you or however many there are) consenting and you're not waving it (lolinnuendo potential) in people's faces.

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Tangenaia
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Postby Tangenaia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:51 am

Treznor wrote:I don't think anyone can argue against the statement that humans are obsessed with sex. We're obsessed with having it, fantasizing about it or worrying about who is doing what to whom. It permeates our conversations, our politics, our literature and especially our advertising. So, as I'm sure has been done so many times before, let's get NSG's take on it: where do you stand on sex?

I am an unabashed hedonist. I see no point in repressing sex for religion or morality's sake, but I recognize the need for caution in sex regarding hygenic and emotional pitfalls. I don't see the point in telling two, three or fifty consenting adults who they can or can't have sex with, or how they can engage in it. I think it's a physical, emotional and mental union that can be as frivolous as a cheap thrill and as meaningful as a lasting relationship. I don't think sex can be restricted to any one thing, but can encompass whatever meaning we choose to assign to it.


Sex should be as free and open as we can make it. Humans crave a little chaos, I know I do. I myself am bisexual, but thats just me. I have nothing against anyone so I dont care what soem of the...stranger...people do.
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Omnident = Cariph Allisari

Unident = Ferven Tuumnyri

Supplident = Remni Allisar

Council of Maenads = Maryann Forrester, Athena Remnil, Hades Krayonis, Hermes Lesparna, Zeus Romnalus, Aphrodite Daminir, Apollo Dezlin, Ares Fort, Artemis Hunre, Hephaestus Liminit, Poseidon Fevru.

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Insertdecentnamehere
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Postby Insertdecentnamehere » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:53 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:Sex only after Marriage imo.


Would you impose that belief on others, if you should happen to be in a position where you could do so?

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New Olwe
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Postby New Olwe » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:54 am

Well, most of you probably already know where I stand on the issue.

For those who don't, I like the way Treznor phrased it... I'm an unabashed hedonist.

I also feel that monogamy is a form of slavery, since jealous people tend to treat each other as property. Not only that, but repressing the urge to take multiple partners denies nature. You think gays caused Hurricane Katrina? No, married people did.
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Cabra West
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:54 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:I voted for Rigorous Boundaries.


Sex only after Marriage imo.


I never understood what's so great in massively disappointing each other on the wedding night, but hey, if that floats your boat, go for it.
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Cirona
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Postby Cirona » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:55 am

proudly 100% virgin :D

anyway, well, yes, do whatever you want, just as long as it is legal and you both are fine with it. Just be safe and wear a condom! Better to be safe than sorry! Even if you have a child before marriage, take responsibility! :p

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Kryozerkia
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Postby Kryozerkia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:55 am

Provided it is consensual, then anything goes. Consent is my only restriction. That and the ability to willingly give consent.
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RightLeaningChristians
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Postby RightLeaningChristians » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:55 am

Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:Sex only after Marriage imo.


Would you impose that belief on others, if you should happen to be in a position where you could do so?


Depends what position that is.

I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.

I am the head chairman of High School Football Moral Requirements? Then, No.
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Tangenaia
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Postby Tangenaia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:56 am

New Olwe wrote:Well, most of you probably already know where I stand on the issue.

For those who don't, I like the way Treznor phrased it... I'm an unabashed hedonist.

I also feel that monogamy is a form of slavery, since jealous people tend to treat each other as property. Not only that, but repressing the urge to take multiple partners denies nature. You think gays caused Hurricane Katrina? No, married people did.


You Americans never shut up about Hurricane Katrina, it happened 5 years ago, it was bad, woopdy friggin doo.
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Omnident = Cariph Allisari

Unident = Ferven Tuumnyri

Supplident = Remni Allisar

Council of Maenads = Maryann Forrester, Athena Remnil, Hades Krayonis, Hermes Lesparna, Zeus Romnalus, Aphrodite Daminir, Apollo Dezlin, Ares Fort, Artemis Hunre, Hephaestus Liminit, Poseidon Fevru.

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Bottle
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Postby Bottle » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:56 am

My stance on sex is that human sexual relations are complicated enough without adding a bunch of arbitrary cultural or religious baggage.

New Olwe wrote:I also feel that monogamy is a form of slavery, since jealous people tend to treat each other as property. Not only that, but repressing the urge to take multiple partners denies nature.

Out of curiosity:

Do you believe there are no people who feel "naturally" inclined toward monogamy?
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Cabra West
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:58 am

Bottle wrote:My stance on sex is that human sexual relations are complicated enough without adding a bunch of arbitrary cultural or religious baggage.

New Olwe wrote:I also feel that monogamy is a form of slavery, since jealous people tend to treat each other as property. Not only that, but repressing the urge to take multiple partners denies nature.

Out of curiosity:

Do you believe there are no people who feel "naturally" inclined toward monogamy?


Don't know about that poster, but I personally would say, yes probably.
But I would treat it as a question of nature vs nurture... it's hard to say who naturally tends towards monogamy, and who is just imitating social standards.
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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Kobrania
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Postby Kobrania » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:58 am

I have no sexual boundaries.
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Postby Warhaven » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:58 am

Well, my stance should be obvious based on how I voted.

Multiple answers selected.

Yes please!
Only within extreme rigorous boundaries.
Anything goes.
Anyone goes.

.....

After all, sex isn't fun unless someone is unable to sit and/or walk properly for the next few days.

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Insertdecentnamehere
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Postby Insertdecentnamehere » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:58 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.

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Kobrania
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Postby Kobrania » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:00 am

Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.

Hey now, No flaming, not even with someone with victorian sexual stances.
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ZIONISM = JUSTIFYING GENOCIDE WITH GOD.

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RightLeaningChristians
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Postby RightLeaningChristians » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:00 am

Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.


Sorry, but if your living in my nation ruled by religion, your following that religion.
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Cabra West
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:01 am

Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.


No need for name-calling. And the word isn't bigot, it's intolerant.
"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, and as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

Lord Vetinari

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Kobrania
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Postby Kobrania » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:03 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:
Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.


Sorry, but if your living in my nation ruled by religion, your following that religion.

Does it count if I worship you? :lol:
*Big doe eyes*
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ZIONISM = JUSTIFYING GENOCIDE WITH GOD.

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Tangenaia
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Postby Tangenaia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:03 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:
Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.


Sorry, but if your living in my nation ruled by religion, your following that religion.


I find your lack of freedom...disturbing. My nation is a greek theocracy yet anyone can worship anything they want, to a certain extent. (As in no religious strife bullshit or euthanasia relocation occurs...
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Omnident = Cariph Allisari

Unident = Ferven Tuumnyri

Supplident = Remni Allisar

Council of Maenads = Maryann Forrester, Athena Remnil, Hades Krayonis, Hermes Lesparna, Zeus Romnalus, Aphrodite Daminir, Apollo Dezlin, Ares Fort, Artemis Hunre, Hephaestus Liminit, Poseidon Fevru.

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Armed Forces = Highly Co-ordinated and Mobile SpecOps divisions

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New Olwe
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Postby New Olwe » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:04 am

Bottle wrote:Out of curiosity:

Do you believe there are no people who feel "naturally" inclined toward monogamy?


I believe that everybody's different, and that certainly there's probably someone, somewhere, who feels that way. But considering the likelihood that it's actually a moral decision on their part rather than a natural one, I'd say my answer to your question is yes. Monogamy is an abomination created by puritanical moralists, not the natural way humans were intended to live.
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Bottle
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Postby Bottle » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:04 am

Cabra West wrote:
Bottle wrote:My stance on sex is that human sexual relations are complicated enough without adding a bunch of arbitrary cultural or religious baggage.

New Olwe wrote:I also feel that monogamy is a form of slavery, since jealous people tend to treat each other as property. Not only that, but repressing the urge to take multiple partners denies nature.

Out of curiosity:

Do you believe there are no people who feel "naturally" inclined toward monogamy?


Don't know about that poster, but I personally would say, yes probably.
But I would treat it as a question of nature vs nurture... it's hard to say who naturally tends towards monogamy, and who is just imitating social standards.

I think there are people who are "serial monogamists" by nature. They become completely infatuated with one person, and are exclusively interested in that person, for a year or two. Then they cease being interested in that person and move on to another relationship.

That counts as "monogamy" in my book, since at any given time they have only one partner. Life-long monogamy is a whole other story.
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RightLeaningChristians
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Postby RightLeaningChristians » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:06 am

Kobrania wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:
Insertdecentnamehere wrote:
RightLeaningChristians wrote:I am the leader of a Theocratic Country? If so, than Yes.


Then you're a complete bigot.


Sorry, but if your living in my nation ruled by religion, your following that religion.

Does it count if I worship you? :lol:
*Big doe eyes*


Hmm. We may have to make some arrangements.
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Postby Insertdecentnamehere » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:07 am

RightLeaningChristians wrote:Sorry, but if your living in my nation ruled by religion, your following that religion.


No, I'd probably join the uprising, assuming you weren't assassinated on day 1.

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