Israel vs. Palestine

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

The Jews were there first!

[Arumdaum]

But wouldn't the actual policies that it leads up to be worse?

Er, yes, that's kind of my point, I think. Kinda getting sleepy

I thought that was my point.

Same. It's 2:29 AM here.

The Jews were there first!

Even the Jews admit they weren't there first....

[Divair]

The Jews were there first!

[Citation needed]

If they were there first, does that mean you support giving back the USA to the native Americans?

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

The Jews were there first!

So you support giving back the USA to the native Americans, yes?

I don't really care. I dont live in america!

[Arumdaum]

So you support giving back the USA to the native Americans, yes?

I don't really care. I dont live in america!

So let's say Australia to the Aboriginals instead.

[Divair]

So you support giving back the USA to the native Americans, yes?

I don't really care. I dont live in america!

Where do you live, then?

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

I don't really care. I dont live in america!

So let's say Australia to the Aboriginals instead.

Hmmm, I see your point. But if we can't put the jews in Isreal where can we put them? Canada?

[Spiral Sun]

The Jews were there first!

[Citation needed]

If they were there first, does that mean you support giving back the USA to the native Americans?

They also had taken the land from each other. The claimed "Lakotah" movement a year or so got widespread condemnation by all the other Native American groups in the region they claimed, who pointed out that they had been using guns and horses for years to terrorize all the other tribes, then began to whine when they got beaten at their own game. The Nazis viewing the Sioux as Aryans lends some credence to their militarism.

[Divair]

So let's say Australia to the Aboriginals instead.

Hmmm, I see your point. But if we can't put the jews in Isreal where can we put them? Canada?

No. The Jews are already there, we can't do much about that. We can, however, enforce restrictions. We evenly divide up the land and recognize Palestine as a country. Problem (mostly) solved.

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

Hmmm, I see your point. But if we can't put the jews in Isreal where can we put them? Canada?

No. The Jews are already there, we can't do much about that. We can, however, enforce restrictions. We evenly divide up the land and recognize Palestine as a country. Problem (mostly) solved.

Or we can ship them of to live in Germany for a bit of an ironic twist!

[Arumdaum]

So let's say Australia to the Aboriginals instead.

Hmmm, I see your point. But if we can't put the jews in Isreal where can we put them? Canada?

The Jewish state was placed in a portion what was the British Mandate of Palestine over sixty years ago, so it's okay now... generations of Israelis have already been born and raised there.

Jews can go wherever they'd like, like all individuals.

My post was to counter you saying that you support Israel because "they were there first".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I support Palestine, because even though Hamas have been responsible for many disagreeable acts, Israel was essentially formed out of a post-WWII guilt trip, on land that had belonged to the Palestinians since the first millenium AD. You can't just claim that land your forefathers used to be a majority on, until the Romans kicked them out in AD75-ish, and that they were subsequently a significant minority on for the best part of two millenia, is yours by right. Hamas have carried out many acts of terrorism, but if you found huge chunks of your nation annexed and yourself confined to ghettoes in the Gaza Strip and the few non-Israeli areas of the West Bank, I'd imagine you'd be pretty cross as well.

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

Hmmm, I see your point. But if we can't put the jews in Isreal where can we put them? Canada?

The Jewish state was placed in a portion what was the British Mandate of Palestine over sixty years ago, so it's okay now... generations of Israelis have already been born and raised there.

Jews can go wherever they'd like, like all individuals.

My post was to counter you saying that you support Israel because "they were there first".

Well its not only that. My sympathy of WWII kicks in when we are talking about jews.

[Aethelstania]

I think their should be a palistinian state however Israel is the only functioning liberal democracy in the region. So despite disagreeing a lot with how Israel behaves they have my support

[Spiral Sun]

I support Palestine, because even though Hamas have been responsible for many disagreeable acts, Israel was essentially formed out of a post-WWII guilt trip, on land that had belonged to the Palestinians since the first millenium AD. You can't just claim that land your forefathers used to be a majority on, until the Romans kicked them out in AD75-ish, and that they were subsequently a significant minority on for the best part of two millenia, is yours by right. Hamas have carried out many acts of terrorism, but if you found huge chunks of your nation annexed and yourself confined to ghettoes in the Gaza Strip and the few non-Israeli areas of the West Bank, I'd imagine you'd be pretty cross as well.

But surely twelve million Palestians could make homes in those lands. Despite the blockade of the nearly 1.7 million populated Gaza Strip with over half being refugees. Or how Israel wants at least thirty percent more of the West Bank, all of Jerusalem, the border with Jordan, all the auqifiers so they can plant strawberries, and leaving what remains as disfigured and easy to snap as a KitKat Bar. After which they might recognize that Palestinians exist. Who they will name Samaritans or something.

[Jafas United]

How aren't they legit? They provided quotes. What more do you want?

And beggars can't be choosers. That's why.

I didn't find quotes for Khamenei. Here's also a counter to it. Although it's probably biased, it still has quotes and information.

I also said I responded to more than whether how legit the sites are. What I wanted was your responses as to whether the wishes of one Hezbollah official was the official policy of Hezbollah, and other stuff.

Pffft. You still made the claims.

But I answered your question anyway. You asked for proof that Middle Eastern leaders have called for the destruction of Israel and you accepted at least some of my sources. So are you still disputing that there have been/are Middle Eastern leaders who would like to see Israel gone, or are we fine there?

Also note, he was a senior Hezbollah official. Which means he is influential in the movement and it's safe to say he isn't the only one in Hezbollah's hierarchy holding those views.

And of course I still made those claims. You were complaining my sources were biased towards the right and that does not matter at all here. If they were defaming the people in the article or if they were blatant lies, then that would be a different situation.

[Arumdaum]

I think their should be a palistinian state however Israel is the only functioning liberal democracy in the region. So despite disagreeing a lot with how Israel behaves they have my support

There's Turkey and Cyprus.

[Kilobugya]

I think both of them deserve the right to have a viable state with safety and freedom, but in the current situation, Israel is one who is position of strength and abusing from it (the wall, settlements, massive bombings in Palestine, ...), while Palestine is in situation of weakness and committing crimes out of despair. The one in position of strength and abusing from it is, in my ethical view, always much more to blame than the one acting out of despair.

[Meowfoundland]

I think their should be a palistinian state however Israel is the only functioning liberal democracy in the region. So despite disagreeing a lot with how Israel behaves they have my support

There's Turkey and Cyprus.

Lebanon too, if you stretch the "functioning" part.

EDIT: also the liberal part, what with it being confessionalist and all. But it's still a democracy.

[Seven United Netherlands]

Palestine is made independent
Israeli citizens retreat from the West Bank
Hamas stops firing rockets

Problem solved!

[Avalar and Empire of Squa]

I blame Britain for it all. They can't just give a country inderpendence, Noooooooooo, they have to partition it!

[Divair]

I blame Britain for it all. They can't just give a country inderpendence, Noooooooooo, they have to partition it!

One country would have never worked. The Palestinians and Jews had been fighting each other for decades by the time the partition happened.

[Forsher]

Sometimes independence is not the right idea. Unification is a result of forced unity.

[Chinese Regions]

I support Palestine.

[Forsher]

I support Palestine.

I support neither as we have seen both are at fault.