Israel vs. Palestine

[Unassuming Pacifists]

The 1967 borders are completely indefensible with the narrowest bit of the country being but a few miles wide.

better use the 1948 ones then.

Even worse i'm afraid. Israel have already given up the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip, only to have rockets fired from Gaza and terrorists infiltrating from Sinai. I wish it could work, but if they give over the West Bank i can only see it getting worse...

[Janowitz]

I neither condemn nor condone either side of the issue. I think that the Palestinians should be sympathetic of the Jews for needing a new home, but I also think that Israel should give the Palestinians in their borders the exact same treatment that they give their Jewish citizens.

[Kingdom of the Polar Bear]

I'm neutral about the whole conversation. I do like Israel because there army is badass and half of my friends are Jewish, but Palestine is slowly being eaten away by Israel all because of Religious differences!

And technically Palestine doesn't exist, when the Romans concurred Israel they knew the Israel hated the Palestinians so they started calling it Palestine as a kind of insult.

[Zalenia]

Two state solution

[The UK in Exile]

better use the 1948 ones then.

Even worse i'm afraid. Israel have already given up the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip, only to have rockets fired from Gaza and terrorists infiltrating from Sinai. I wish it could work, but if they give over the West Bank i can only see it getting worse...

point being you can't steal someone elses land just because you don't feel safe.

[FPCCOS]

The Jews were there first, bub. They got kicked out, and now they're back.

Muslims believe very strongly in marriage, as do I, so here's an analogy we can relate to.

I get married. Then, I get in a plane crash, and I'm stranded on a desert island for 20 years.

I get home, and find my wife has remarried. Who has a stronger claim on my wife? Me, or her present husband?

You should understand that there is a difference between Zionists and Jews. The Palestinians have no problem with Jews living amongst them as they always have. They are cousins and are descended from the two sons of Abraham. The problem comes when you have a corrupt, neo-nazi state forced upon the inhabitants of Palestine by foreign powers. Even the orthodox Jews despise Israel and say it is a mockery of Judaism so don't you dare present this as a Muslim-Jew problem. Unlike the western powers who present themselves as the protectors of the Jewish people, the only major power where Jews were able to live in peace, happily and treated with respect by their fellow citizens was the various Muslim states starting from the first Caliphate of the Muslims. Please learn your facts and research Al Andalus (Muslim Spain) to understand this properly.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Even worse i'm afraid. Israel have already given up the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip, only to have rockets fired from Gaza and terrorists infiltrating from Sinai. I wish it could work, but if they give over the West Bank i can only see it getting worse...

point being you can't steal someone elses land just because you don't feel safe.

wrong

[Ambraciel]

INDEED THEY TOTALLY TOLERATE GAYS/LESBIANS, COMMIES, AND GYPSIES JUST LIKE THE NAZIS!!! THEY ALSO LET MINORITIES IN THEIR GOVERNMENT JUST LIKE NAZIS TOO!!!

Zionist lies, obviously...

I support the winner.

I do not believe that there is a winner in this situation...

Lies? lawl did you know that Tel Aviv was once ranked as the 3rd best place for faggots in this world? really. and I've really got no idea how however.
Commies, gypsies.. etc have no problem being in Israel also.

Even palestinians and I can sign on that one - they don't really suffer from lack of rights as they would like to show the world.
Many jewish schools co-operate with Palestinian schools across the state to make a better future for the kids,
I've once read an article on how the new palestinian generation is loosing it's ties with the rest of the arab traditional world,
how the children tend to visit bars everywhere and become more western, and who do they follow? guess.
The israeli people.
The palestinian new generation is leaving the villages, the tradition, the religion, and with that and I can even quote a few palestinians; they don't hate the israelis at all, they even have israeli friends and go to bars
with Israeli friends.

[Unassuming Pacifists]

Even worse i'm afraid. Israel have already given up the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip, only to have rockets fired from Gaza and terrorists infiltrating from Sinai. I wish it could work, but if they give over the West Bank i can only see it getting worse...

point being you can't steal someone elses land just because you don't feel safe.

Before 1948 the country belonged to the British, the Palestinians who lived in the villages were told by their own authorities to flee from their houses in the 1940s because they claimed they would beat the Israelis and then they could return. The Palestinians who didn't flee now live happily in Israel with healthcare, jobs, ability to run for government and freedom of religion!

[FPCCOS]

point being you can't steal someone elses land just because you don't feel safe.

Before 1948 the country belonged to the British, the Palestinians who lived in the villages were told by their own authorities to flee from their houses in the 1940s because they claimed they would beat the Israelis and then they could return. The Palestinians who didn't flee now live happily in Israel with healthcare, jobs, ability to run for government and freedom of religion!

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.

Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

[Evraim]

Then let's kick the Jews out and send them back to where their founder originated: Mesopotamia.

Let's kick the USA out. The native Americans were there first.


Now that I think about it, that isn't such a bad plan..

I don't want to live in Kenya though...

(Image)

Problem solved.

Kuwait's a regional power now. That's awesome. Where's Kurdistan?

[Ambraciel]

Before 1948 the country belonged to the British, the Palestinians who lived in the villages were told by their own authorities to flee from their houses in the 1940s because they claimed they would beat the Israelis and then they could return. The Palestinians who didn't flee now live happily in Israel with healthcare, jobs, ability to run for government and freedom of religion!

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.

Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

Very evil. sure.
Just ignore every fact there is and claim the government to be evil.

[Evraim]

Zionist lies, obviously...


I do not believe that there is a winner in this situation...

Lies? lawl did you know that Tel Aviv was once ranked as the 3rd best place for faggots in this world? really. and I've really got no idea how however.
Commies, gypsies.. etc have no problem being in Israel also.

Even palestinians and I can sign on that one - they don't really suffer from lack of rights as they would like to show the world.
Many jewish schools co-operate with Palestinian schools across the state to make a better future for the kids,
I've once read an article on how the new palestinian generation is loosing it's ties with the rest of the arab traditional world,
how the children tend to visit bars everywhere and become more western, and who do they follow? guess.
The israeli people.
The palestinian new generation is leaving the villages, the tradition, the religion, and with that and I can even quote a few palestinians; they don't hate the israelis at all, they even have israeli friends and go to bars
with Israeli friends.

I was utilizing sarcasm, my dear. I'm actually a Zionist, and was feeling rather vexed at the rather rare insinuation that I was being mendacious. Truly, I do apologize for losing my temper and misleading you on that account. Also, I would prefer that you not pollute the sanctity of your tongue with such horrid perjoratives. Homosexuals, as human beings, are equally deserving of our respect (though I do differentiate between "earned respect" and "dignity") and affection. Your account of the situation in Palestine (and Israel) comforts me immensely.

[FPCCOS]

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.

Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

Very evil. sure.
Just ignore every fact there is and claim the government to be evil.

Look, can we have an actual discussion here. All your doing is waiting for me to post and then you attempt to refute me and fail.

What facts?

I define a government as evil if it does any of the following:

Tortures people

Imprisoning thousands of innocent people

Usurping the land of others and settling people it doesn't belong to

Deliberately targeting and killing innocent women, men and children (look at the cold-blooded siege on Gaza recently)

Forcibly conscripts men eligible for military service into the army even if they do not want to join

Starves thousands of people to death for the mere reason that they belong to an ethnic group they have classified as 'sub-human'

Commits Genocide and war-crimes

Blockades entire regions of a country, denying them aid, food and the chance to have businesses and a flourishing economy

If it suppresses the will of the people and does not serve them

Distorts religion (in this case Judaism) to justify the brutal colonization of another country


I don't know where you have been brainwashed but Israel is guilty of all the above and much more.

[Cromarty]

And technically Palestine doesn't exist, when the Romans concurred Israel they knew the Israel hated the Palestinians so they started calling it Palestine as a kind of insult.

No of this is true.

At all.

[Divair]

I'm neutral about the whole conversation. I do like Israel because there army is badass and half of my friends are Jewish, but Palestine is slowly being eaten away by Israel all because of Religious differences!

And technically Palestine doesn't exist, when the Romans concurred Israel they knew the Israel hated the Palestinians so they started calling it Palestine as a kind of insult.

Source?

[Ambraciel]

Look, can we have an actual discussion here. All your doing is waiting for me to post and then you attempt to refute me and fail.

What facts?

I define a government as evil if it does any of the following:

Tortures people

Imprisoning thousands of innocent people

Usurping the land of others and settling people it doesn't belong to

Deliberately targeting and killing innocent women, men and children (look at the cold-blooded siege on Gaza recently)

Forcibly conscripts men eligible for military service into the army even if they do not want to join

Starves thousands of people to death for the mere reason that they belong to an ethnic group they have classified as 'sub-human'

Commits Genocide and war-crimes

Blockades entire regions of a country, denying them aid, food and the chance to have businesses and a flourishing economy

If it suppresses the will of the people and does not serve them

Distorts religion (in this case Judaism) to justify the brutal colonization of another country


I don't know where you have been brainwashed but Israel is guilty of all the above and much more.

Torture people? right.. just like in Iran. same story. yeah.
Imprisoning thousands of innocent people? try suicide bombers.
It was none's land, it had a general name and wasn't really anyone's.
Israel could have been fine on the borders of 48 if Palestinians wouldn't have been so upset about it and would've began a war.
Deliberately targeting and killing innocent women, men and children? That was quite brutal, that's right. however not fully but we can discuss this later, there's so much to discuss but I partly agree.
Forcibly conscripts men eligible for military service into the army even if they do not want to join? Without the army being compulsory there wouldn't have been a state, none would obviously go to protect a state which boders hostile nations from basically everywhere. and ofcourse, those who become 18 have a variety of things they can choose to go to and may not go at all.

Starves thousands of people to death for the mere reason that they belong to an ethnic group they have classified as 'sub-human'? no. that's where you're wrong, starves? sub-human? you mean like sending food to Gaza just "because". Sub-human? Palestinians were never called sub-human, maybe extreme right wingers, their problem.

Commits Genocide and war-crimes? yeah right. like the one going in syria? lawl. what genocide?

Blockades entire regions of a country, denying them aid, food and the chance to have businesses and a flourishing economy? AID? DENYING AID? are you kidding? they send food every day, in trucks, to gaza. their region is blocked, that's true. you can see either side of this conflict, either side has legit reasons.

If it suppresses the will of the people and does not serve them? Serves everyone, better than Palestine would serve Palestinians themselves.

[Evraim]

The Jews were there first, bub. They got kicked out, and now they're back.

Muslims believe very strongly in marriage, as do I, so here's an analogy we can relate to.

I get married. Then, I get in a plane crash, and I'm stranded on a desert island for 20 years.

I get home, and find my wife has remarried. Who has a stronger claim on my wife? Me, or her present husband?

You should understand that there is a difference between Zionists and Jews. The Palestinians have no problem with Jews living amongst them as they always have. They are cousins and are descended from the two sons of Abraham. The problem comes when you have a corrupt, neo-nazi state forced upon the inhabitants of Palestine by foreign powers. Even the orthodox Jews despise Israel and say it is a mockery of Judaism so don't you dare present this as a Muslim-Jew problem. Unlike the western powers who present themselves as the protectors of the Jewish people, the only major power where Jews were able to live in peace, happily and treated with respect by their fellow citizens was the various Muslim states starting from the first Caliphate of the Muslims. Please learn your facts and research Al Andalus (Muslim Spain) to understand this properly.

Indeed, there is a rather distinctive difference between Jews and Zionists. A Jew is an individual who is associated with the Jewish community in accordance with Halocho. I shall not elucidate through precisely which means one is considered a Jew, feeling this explanation to be while curt, altogether appropriate and sufficient. For our mutual benefit, I shall elect the most general conceivable definition for the term "Zionist". A Zionist is an individual who, for whatever motivations he or she might have, promotes the establishment of a Jewish state. To speak with more candor, a Zionist is a Jewish Nationalist. Nationalism is not of its intrinsic nature equivalent to Nazism (and I do believe that Neo-Nazism is quite similar to Nazism...). Every country possessing a national identity must be in some manner nationalistic. I respectfully inquire then why must Jews do without a state while others such as the Palestinians obtain such an entity to their benefit? Likewise, I shall once again express my consternation that Israel is addressed as a foreign power. Certainly, at the moment of conception, it might have been considered alien - but no more or less than the Palestinian state that was its sister and bed-mate (this does not imply anything other than a closeness of the relationship, Israel and Palestine practically shared the same cradle - albeit violently). Israel, in modernity, cannot be considered foreign. It is a country with its own objectives, hopes, and traditions.

On the subject of the Charedi rejection of Zionism, I would ask you to recall that the Charedim (or ultra-Orthodox Jews) still possess a most fervent desire for the creation of a Jewish theocratic state. That is to say that the Charedim believe that divine intervention (i.e. the arrival of the moshiach) will bring about the birth of such a political organ. Likewise, Zionism, at its conception, was a secular movement. Judaism, although important to Israel's character, does not by itself write the laws of the state. Israel, by and large, is a secular country.

Al-Andalus, while better than much of Europe, was not exactly paridaisical

According to Wikipedia: "Muslim relations with Jews in Spain were not always peaceful, however. The eleventh century saw Muslim pogroms against Jews in Spain; those occurred in Córdoba in 1011 and in Granada in 1066. In the 1066 Granada massacre, a Muslim mob crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred about 4,000 Jews. The Muslim grievance involved was that some Jews had become wealthy, and others had advanced to positions of power.

The Almohad dynasty, which overthrew the dynasty that ran Spain during the early Muslim era, offered Christians and Jews the choice of conversion or expulsion; in 1165, one of their rulers ordered that all Jews in the country convert on pain of death (forcing the Jewish rabbi, theologian, philosopher, and physician Maimonides to feign conversion to Islam before fleeing the country). In Egypt, Maimonides resumed practicing Judaism openly only to be accused of apostasy. He was saved from death by Saladin's chief administrator, who held that conversion under coercion is invalid."

Also, kudos to Salah ad-Din for being much more tolerant than the majority of his contemporaries.

[FPCCOS]

Look, can we have an actual discussion here. All your doing is waiting for me to post and then you attempt to refute me and fail.

What facts?

I define a government as evil if it does any of the following:

Tortures people

Imprisoning thousands of innocent people

Usurping the land of others and settling people it doesn't belong to

Deliberately targeting and killing innocent women, men and children (look at the cold-blooded siege on Gaza recently)

Forcibly conscripts men eligible for military service into the army even if they do not want to join

Starves thousands of people to death for the mere reason that they belong to an ethnic group they have classified as 'sub-human'

Commits Genocide and war-crimes

Blockades entire regions of a country, denying them aid, food and the chance to have businesses and a flourishing economy

If it suppresses the will of the people and does not serve them

Distorts religion (in this case Judaism) to justify the brutal colonization of another country


I don't know where you have been brainwashed but Israel is guilty of all the above and much more.

Torture people? right.. just like in Iran. same story. yeah.
Imprisoning thousands of innocent people? try suicide bombers.
It was none's land, it had a general name and wasn't really anyone's.
Israel could have been fine on the borders of 48 if Palestinians wouldn't have been so upset about it and would've began a war.
Deliberately targeting and killing innocent women, men and children? That was quite brutal, that's right. however not fully but we can discuss this later, there's so much to discuss but I partly agree.
Forcibly conscripts men eligible for military service into the army even if they do not want to join? Without the army being compulsory there wouldn't have been a state, none would obviously go to protect a state which boders hostile nations from basically everywhere. and ofcourse, those who become 18 have a variety of things they can choose to go to and may not go at all.

Starves thousands of people to death for the mere reason that they belong to an ethnic group they have classified as 'sub-human'? no. that's where you're wrong, starves? sub-human? you mean like sending food to Gaza just "because". Sub-human? Palestinians were never called sub-human, maybe extreme right wingers, their problem.

Commits Genocide and war-crimes? yeah right. like the one going in syria? lawl. what genocide?

Blockades entire regions of a country, denying them aid, food and the chance to have businesses and a flourishing economy? AID? DENYING AID? are you kidding? they send food every day, in trucks, to gaza. their region is blocked, that's true. you can see either side of this conflict, either side has legit reasons.

If it suppresses the will of the people and does not serve them? Serves everyone, better than Palestine would serve Palestinians themselves.

Iran is a corrupt and barbaric regime and I completely agree with you on that. However, to say that Iran tortures people doesn't justify the Israelis using torture

Secondly, if a suicide bomber had detonated a bomb, he would be dead so saying that in response to the fact that Israel has imprisoned thousands of innocent people and denied them a trial even does not make sense and the existence of suicide bombers does not justify imprisoning innocent people- that's like the government saying there are mass murderers on the lose, so we're going to arrest any random person.

Erm... actually it was the land of the Palestinians and indigenous Jews for centuries and yes it had the name Palestine (in arabic Filistin) and it was a part of Sham which covered Palestine, Jordan, Syria

Yes you are right for saying that without forcing people to join the army they would be defenseless

I am not saying no aid reaches Gaza, however in the past the Israelis have blocked aid from reaching Gaza (for example the Flotilla that was supposed to reach Gaza where the Israelis actually killed people on the boat- you can not justify that.

Israel doesn't even serve its own 1st class citizens - Israelis properly so why would they serve the Palestinians. The Israeli regime is only interested in serving their own interests.

War-Crimes- The Gaza Siege is a perfect example of the Israelis committing war-crimes

The sustained systematic killing of the Palestinians is sufficient to call it genocide

To use the example of the war-crimes in Syria to justify Israeli crimes is ridiculous- the Syrian regime committing war-crimes does not justify the Israelis doing the same

Yes you are correct to say that more aid is now getting through due to the opening of the border between Gaza and Egypt, as a result of the overthrowing of Hosni Mubarak, who served the interests of the Israelis by blocking the border

Unfortunately\, the Israelis do not have any legitimate reason for the continued existence of the Israeli regime. All of Palestine should be returned to the Palestinians and Israeli citizens can then decide if they wish to stay or whether they want to leave. And the Americans who have been supporting them so loyally can maybe bankroll the establishment of a new Israeli state within one of its states. I mean they have lots of land.

[Unassuming Pacifists]

Before 1948 the country belonged to the British, the Palestinians who lived in the villages were told by their own authorities to flee from their houses in the 1940s because they claimed they would beat the Israelis and then they could return. The Palestinians who didn't flee now live happily in Israel with healthcare, jobs, ability to run for government and freedom of religion!

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.

Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

Are you serious?! As soon as someone plays the card that a country or nation is controlling media, showbiz, politics etc...warning lights start flashing.
Israel was given to the Jewish nation by the UN. There was meant to be a two state system, but guess what, the Palestinians refused that. The Palestinian leadership has only now accepted this proposal when they started to realise that after each time they refuse two states and go to war, Israel wins.
And if you search for any conspiracy on google, you'll get results. I'm surprised the Jews haven't taken google and started to control it.
Oh, and Yaqub was the third Jew alive, I'm sure he would be perfectly happy that his kids have a place to live.

[Milks Empire]

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.
Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

Are you serious?! As soon as someone plays the card that a country or nation is controlling media, showbiz, politics etc...warning lights start flashing.
Israel was given to the Jewish nation by the UN. There was meant to be a two state system, but guess what, the Palestinians refused that. The Palestinian leadership has only now accepted this proposal when they started to realise that after each time they refuse two states and go to war, Israel wins.
And if you search for any conspiracy on google, you'll get results. I'm surprised the Jews haven't taken google and started to control it.
Oh, and Yaqub was the third Jew alive, I'm sure he would be perfectly happy that his kids have a place to live.

Wielding influence ≠ controlling outright. And have you ever heard of AIPAC?

[FPCCOS]

Unfortunately, Israel has influence over all major media in Europe and North America and so is able to create an image of itself as a humanitarian state founded on human rights, justice and human dignity. However, this is not the case. To be blunt, Israel was based on stealing land belonging to refugees who had fled terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Levi who were supported by the Zionist founders of Israel. Now can a state founded on terrorism really be against terrorism. The main argument for the establishment of the Israeli state was that the Jewish people didn't have a state of their own. So what, countless different peoples don't have a state that is solely composed of only their people yet I don't see many of these peoples waging a war of terror and injustice like Israel is.
For anyone who isn't convinced of the Israeli regime's racist nature should go and search on Google his many racist and inflammatory nature "we will not allow the Jewish nature of Israel to be compromised". Israel is a "Jewish" state.

Even to use the word "Israel" to describe the Zionist entity is a disgrace to the Honorable Prophet Jacob (Yaqub) whose name is now used to describe one of the world's most oppressive and evil governments.

Are you serious?! As soon as someone plays the card that a country or nation is controlling media, showbiz, politics etc...warning lights start flashing.
Israel was given to the Jewish nation by the UN. There was meant to be a two state system, but guess what, the Palestinians refused that. The Palestinian leadership has only now accepted this proposal when they started to realise that after each time they refuse two states and go to war, Israel wins.
And if you search for any conspiracy on google, you'll get results. I'm surprised the Jews haven't taken google and started to control it.
Oh, and Yaqub was the third Jew alive, I'm sure he would be perfectly happy that his kids have a place to live.

This has nothing to do with crazy-ass conspiracies. It is a fact that Israel wields influence over major media companies due to the simple fact that most are owned in whole or part by Israelis.

You are right to say that the Israelis accepted the two-state solution and the Palestinians didn't. However, the Palestinians were justified in rejecting this proposal as the Israelis had stolen their land and evicted and persecuted their people. Which part of that do you not understand?

Say a burglar comes to your house. Imagine your house is a mansion. Now say this burglar is armed and you are unarmed and he slowly starts to take parts of your mansion for himself, removing all your relatives from the rooms he has taken for himself. Now imagine a neighbor comes and says you and the burglar should divide the mansion between you. Would you accept something as ridiculous as that? Or would you fight to reclaim what is rightfully yours?

What if then after the burglar takes up residence in what is now 'his' part of the mansion, he now starts taking more rooms that are on 'your' side and populating them with relatives and friends. Would you not defend what is yours? And whilst doing this, he brings the press and gets them to believe him so they do a smear campaign against you, describing you as a terrorist. What would you do then?

I don't know what lies you have been fed or where you live, but I suggest you take a trip to Gaza and the West Bank and see the conditions for yourself. The Palestinians have been effectively reduced to stateless, poor and ignored people who have been put into what are essentially two big concentration camps (Gaza and the West Bank)

Before going on with your emotional rhetoric, can you think logically and be open-minded because you blatantly support a state which is known for terrorism, torture, corruption, usurping land, oppressing people and colonizing the lands of other peoples.

If you don't believe what I say, go to an Orthodox Jew who will tell you the same and have been active in protesting against Israel.

For

[Evraim]

Iran is a corrupt and barbaric regime and I completely agree with you on that. However, to say that Iran tortures people doesn't justify the Israelis using torture

Secondly, if a suicide bomber had detonated a bomb, he would be dead so saying that in response to the fact that Israel has imprisoned thousands of innocent people and denied them a trial even does not make sense and the existence of suicide bombers does not justify imprisoning innocent people- that's like the government saying there are mass murderers on the lose, so we're going to arrest any random person.

Erm... actually it was the land of the Palestinians and indigenous Jews for centuries and yes it had the name Palestine (in arabic Filistin) and it was a part of Sham which covered Palestine, Jordan, Syria

Yes you are right for saying that without forcing people to join the army they would be defenseless

I am not saying no aid reaches Gaza, however in the past the Israelis have blocked aid from reaching Gaza (for example the Flotilla that was supposed to reach Gaza where the Israelis actually killed people on the boat- you can not justify that.

Israel doesn't even serve its own 1st class citizens - Israelis properly so why would they serve the Palestinians. The Israeli regime is only interested in serving their own interests.

War-Crimes- The Gaza Siege is a perfect example of the Israelis committing war-crimes

The sustained systematic killing of the Palestinians is sufficient to call it genocide

To use the example of the war-crimes in Syria to justify Israeli crimes is ridiculous- the Syrian regime committing war-crimes does not justify the Israelis doing the same

Yes you are correct to say that more aid is now getting through due to the opening of the border between Gaza and Egypt, as a result of the overthrowing of Hosni Mubarak, who served the interests of the Israelis by blocking the border

Unfortunately, the Israelis do not have any legitimate reason for the continued existence of the Israeli regime. All of Palestine should be returned to the Palestinians and Israeli citizens can then decide if they wish to stay or whether they want to leave. And the Americans who have been supporting them so loyally can maybe bankroll the establishment of a new Israeli state within one of its states. I mean they have lots of land.

1.) I agree with you in this instance. No country should use torture. Unfortunately, very few nations actually abide by this.

2.) Attempting to perpetrate acts of violence against non-combatants is still a violation of international law. Mere desire and preparation for such criminal activities are sufficient to confirm guilt. The majority of those currently detained by the Israeli Defense Force are in all probability guilty, though they ought to be tried by either a military tribunal or a civilian court before being imprisoned.

3.) True, though not very thorough, and additionally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

4.) Although I oppose conscription, I must say it is rather queer to consider such an action, when committed by a legitimate government, to be wicked.

5.) The principle motivation behind the blockade, which was legitimate, was to impede munitions and armaments from arriving in the Gaza Strip. It was a response to the operations of militants in the region, and I have already posted sources demonstrating that such operations transpired and claimed as their casualties multiple civilians.

6.) I would like citation for this claim.

7.) The allegations from the Gaza Siege are certainly contraversial.

8.) I would like citation confirming that the killing of Palestinian civilians is systematic and not a result of the numerous wars fought in the region.

9.) I agree.

10.) Mubarak was also serving his own interests...

11.) I would say that Israel has as much justification as France, Russia, Germany, Japan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Palestine, Iran, or any other country possessing a national character based on the ethnic traditions and customs of its inhabitants.

[Evraim]

This has nothing to do with crazy-ass conspiracies. It is a fact that Israel wields influence over major media companies due to the simple fact that most are owned in whole or part by Israelis.

You are right to say that the Israelis accepted the two-state solution and the Palestinians didn't. However, the Palestinians were justified in rejecting this proposal as the Israelis had stolen their land and evicted and persecuted their people. Which part of that do you not understand?

Say a burglar comes to your house. Imagine your house is a mansion. Now say this burglar is armed and you are unarmed and he slowly starts to take parts of your mansion for himself, removing all your relatives from the rooms he has taken for himself. Now imagine a neighbor comes and says you and the burglar should divide the mansion between you. Would you accept something as ridiculous as that? Or would you fight to reclaim what is rightfully yours?

What if then after the burglar takes up residence in what is now 'his' part of the mansion, he now starts taking more rooms that are on 'your' side and populating them with relatives and friends. Would you not defend what is yours? And whilst doing this, he brings the press and gets them to believe him so they do a smear campaign against you, describing you as a terrorist. What would you do then?

I don't know what lies you have been fed or where you live, but I suggest you take a trip to Gaza and the West Bank and see the conditions for yourself. The Palestinians have been effectively reduced to stateless, poor and ignored people who have been put into what are essentially two big concentration camps (Gaza and the West Bank)

Before going on with your emotional rhetoric, can you think logically and be open-minded because you blatantly support a state which is known for terrorism, torture, corruption, usurping land, oppressing people and colonizing the lands of other peoples.

If you don't believe what I say, go to an Orthodox Jew who will tell you the same and have been active in protesting against Israel.

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Would you happen to have compelling evidence that Israeli citizens own significant portions of the American media? I've heard claims, which possess at least some legitimacy, that Jews dominate the media (because we're awesome like that...), but never that the Jews in question are Israelis.

This is incorrect. The two-state solution was offered prior to the Israeli War of Independence, which is when the majority of the Palestinians sought refuge in countries such as Jordan. Until that point, Jews had been content to purchase land through entirely legal and non-violent means from Arabs in the region and with the consent of the governing authorities (discounting the White Papers). Also, it was the threat of military activity near their homes that drove the Palestinians out not necessarily Zionist terrorists. Think about like this, would you want your family to live in a warzone?

I would be angry, but that isn't exactly what happened. Also, the conditions in Gaza and the West Bank have been exacerbated by perpetual conflicts and extremism (Hamas burning schools and convents... Training children to be militants as opposed to doctors, scientists, teachers, historians, etc.).

Finally, I would once again state that most Orthodox Jews support Israel's existence. A minority (mostly ultra-Orthodox) does not.

[FPCCOS]

Iran is a corrupt and barbaric regime and I completely agree with you on that. However, to say that Iran tortures people doesn't justify the Israelis using torture

Secondly, if a suicide bomber had detonated a bomb, he would be dead so saying that in response to the fact that Israel has imprisoned thousands of innocent people and denied them a trial even does not make sense and the existence of suicide bombers does not justify imprisoning innocent people- that's like the government saying there are mass murderers on the lose, so we're going to arrest any random person.

Erm... actually it was the land of the Palestinians and indigenous Jews for centuries and yes it had the name Palestine (in arabic Filistin) and it was a part of Sham which covered Palestine, Jordan, Syria

Yes you are right for saying that without forcing people to join the army they would be defenseless

I am not saying no aid reaches Gaza, however in the past the Israelis have blocked aid from reaching Gaza (for example the Flotilla that was supposed to reach Gaza where the Israelis actually killed people on the boat- you can not justify that.

Israel doesn't even serve its own 1st class citizens - Israelis properly so why would they serve the Palestinians. The Israeli regime is only interested in serving their own interests.

War-Crimes- The Gaza Siege is a perfect example of the Israelis committing war-crimes

The sustained systematic killing of the Palestinians is sufficient to call it genocide

To use the example of the war-crimes in Syria to justify Israeli crimes is ridiculous- the Syrian regime committing war-crimes does not justify the Israelis doing the same

Yes you are correct to say that more aid is now getting through due to the opening of the border between Gaza and Egypt, as a result of the overthrowing of Hosni Mubarak, who served the interests of the Israelis by blocking the border

Unfortunately, the Israelis do not have any legitimate reason for the continued existence of the Israeli regime. All of Palestine should be returned to the Palestinians and Israeli citizens can then decide if they wish to stay or whether they want to leave. And the Americans who have been supporting them so loyally can maybe bankroll the establishment of a new Israeli state within one of its states. I mean they have lots of land.

1.) I agree with you in this instance. No country should use torture. Unfortunately, very few nations actually abide by this.

2.) Attempting to perpetrate acts of violence against non-combatants is still a violation of international law. Mere desire and preparation for such criminal activities are sufficient to confirm guilt. The majority of those currently detained by the Israeli Defense Force are in all probability guilty, though they ought to be tried by either a military tribunal or a civilian court before being imprisoned.

3.) True, though not very thorough, and additionally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

4.) Although I oppose conscription, I must say it is rather queer to consider such an action, when committed by a legitimate government, to be wicked.

5.) The principle motivation behind the blockade, which was legitimate, was to impede munitions and armaments from arriving in the Gaza Strip. It was a response to the operations of militants in the region, and I have already posted sources demonstrating that such operations transpired and claimed as their casualties multiple civilians.

6.) I would like citation for this claim.

7.) The allegations from the Gaza Siege are certainly contraversial.

8.) I would like citation confirming that the killing of Palestinian civilians is systematic and not a result of the numerous wars fought in the region.

9.) I agree.

10.) Mubarak was also serving his own interests...

11.) I would say that Israel has as much justification as France, Russia, Germany, Japan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Palestine, Iran, or any other country possessing a national character based on the ethnic traditions and customs of its inhabitants.

Which claim would you like citation for? (7)

Every people have the right to self determination- I'm just saying that if the Israelis want a state of their own- they should have not done it in a way that infringes on the human rights and self-determination of other peoples- for example they should establish their own state somewhere in Europe (maybe buy land)- but to take the land of the Palestinians or any people for that matter and to subject them to humiliation and oppression goes against human morality and is completely unacceptable.

Please view this website http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2010.html
to view the list of confirmed, documented and known children who have been killed on both sides. I do not condone the killing of Israeli children, however this does not justify the killing of Palestinian children.

Please consider that this is the absolute bare minimum number of Palestinian children killed as conservative estimates place the number of Palestinians killed in summary executions, air strikes, and with the use of various weapons in the tens of thousands.

If you are going to start a blockade with the purpose of stopping weapons getting in.. why would you stop food, medicine, clothes and other non-military items from entering Gaza. This just shows the real motivations of the Israelis which is the complete domination and extermination of the Palestinians.

In 1948, thousands of Palestinians were exterminated by terrorist Jewish groups like the Stern, Haganah and Irgun. Other villagers were told to leave or they would be killed. The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948. More than 100 villagers, including women and children, were annihilated. Some were shot with live ammunition, while others burned to death as rockets rained down on the village. Prisoners were killed after being paraded through the streets in occupied Jerusalem; and it didn't stop in 1948. In 1956, a massacre of 500 villagers took place in Khan Younis in the middle of the Gaza Strip; others killed were Egyptians, who were policing the area at that time. Before you say anything... these terrorist groups were directly supported by the Israeli government and even the Mossad has its origins in these terrorist groups.

The Israeli blockade on exports and on all but humanitarian imports has forced 98 percent of Gaza's industry to close. Around 1.5 million Palestinians live in just 360 square kms., (139 square miles). More than three-quarters of the residents are refugees whose families were driven from their land, in what is now Israel, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.