Israel vs. Palestine

[Noobubersland]

Criminal's go to jail, boo fucking hoo

12 year olds being sent to jail for something they "may or may not have" committed (throwing stones at Israel's wall). Yep, they're criminals. I doubt any non-Palestinians get arrested for the same.

Don't throw stones at a wall then, seems pretty simple

[Disserbia]

Israelis then take it a little too far.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/b ... ners/11206

Criminal's go to jail, boo fucking hoo

Then most of the IDF should be in jail, its funny how you think that some people are entitled to their human rights more than others. If you're going to uphold the concept of human rights then you have to respect the fact that they belong to every person, or you're not actually upholding the concept at all.

[Noobubersland]

Criminal's go to jail, boo fucking hoo

being in an israeli jail doesn't nessecarily mean your a criminal, it just means you live in the wrong post code.

True, and shit like that should be discouraged

[The UK in Exile]

12 year olds being sent to jail for something they "may or may not have" committed (throwing stones at Israel's wall). Yep, they're criminals. I doubt any non-Palestinians get arrested for the same.

Don't throw stones at a wall then, seems pretty simple

or you know, be living near the wall when a bunch of conscripts get told to grab the kids throwing stones.

"is this the right one?"

"who cares!"

[Noobubersland]

Criminal's go to jail, boo fucking hoo

Then most of the IDF should be in jail, its funny how you think that some people are entitled to their human rights more than others. If you're going to uphold the concept of human rights then you have to respect the fact that they belong to every person, or you're not actually upholding the concept at all.

Why should they be in jail? Killed people? That's what happens in war.

[Disserbia]

12 year olds being sent to jail for something they "may or may not have" committed (throwing stones at Israel's wall). Yep, they're criminals. I doubt any non-Palestinians get arrested for the same.

Don't throw stones at a wall then, seems pretty simple

being in an israeli jail doesn't nessecarily mean your a criminal, it just means you live in the wrong post code.

True, and shit like that should be discouraged

I'm just gonna leave this here...

[Disco Volante]

being in an israeli jail doesn't nessecarily mean your a criminal, it just means you live in the wrong post code.

True, and shit like that should be discouraged

You for serious?

[Jafas United]

No, you used a biased report to show that the existence of children as human shields was a "fact" (your own words), when I revealed that that report was compromised because it was not neutral, you failed to provide another source that proved the existence of children as human shields. Now, you can either provide a neutral source that shows the existence of children as human shields or concede the fact that there is no reasonable proof of this and go on your merry way. Its quite simple.

God, it isn't that hard to look things up for yourself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/20/israel

And I see you're dodging the point. You were denying that Palestine uses children as a weapon at all.

And when I disproved your argument, you then went on to back-pedal to the whole children as human shields issue. Are you still going to deny that Palestine uses children as a weapon?

[Disserbia]

Then most of the IDF should be in jail, its funny how you think that some people are entitled to their human rights more than others. If you're going to uphold the concept of human rights then you have to respect the fact that they belong to every person, or you're not actually upholding the concept at all.

Why should they be in jail? Killed people? That's what happens in war.

For breaking geneva conventions, ever heard of those?

[Jafas United]

Don't throw stones at a wall then, seems pretty simple

True, and shit like that should be discouraged

I'm just gonna leave this here...

He's right, you know...

[Noobubersland]

True, and shit like that should be discouraged

You for serious?

If they're being picked up for no reason, yes, but if they believe the men is responable, don't see what's wrong

[Disserbia]

No, you used a biased report to show that the existence of children as human shields was a "fact" (your own words), when I revealed that that report was compromised because it was not neutral, you failed to provide another source that proved the existence of children as human shields. Now, you can either provide a neutral source that shows the existence of children as human shields or concede the fact that there is no reasonable proof of this and go on your merry way. Its quite simple.

God, it isn't that hard to look things up for yourself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/20/israel

And I see you're dodging the point. You were denying that Palestine uses children as a weapon at all.

And when I disproved your argument, you then went on to back-pedal to the whole children as human shields issue. Are you still going to deny that Palestine uses children as a weapon?

Its not my job to look up your argument for you. You can't find any reliable report of human shields and now you're crying about it. Good argument. You should probably ignore me because I pointed this out, since that's what you did with you other guy who posted a reliable source.

[Jafas United]

Why should they be in jail? Killed people? That's what happens in war.

For breaking geneva conventions, ever heard of those?

Source that most of the IDF has broken the Geneva convention?

[Disserbia]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

He's right, you know...

see how you deleted the rest of the conversation, thats called taking out of context, if he were actually right, you wouldn't have to do that. Try again.

[Noobubersland]

Why should they be in jail? Killed people? That's what happens in war.

For breaking geneva conventions, ever heard of those?

Window dressing, it'll be torn up sooner or later

[Costa Fiero]

For breaking geneva conventions, ever heard of those?

If you want to throw people in jail for breaking the conventions, you're going to need to throw in a hell of a lot more people than the IDF.

[Disserbia]

For breaking geneva conventions, ever heard of those?

Source that most of the IDF has broken the Geneva convention?

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/9257
Switzerland. Switzerland is a neutral source. Not the Israeli govt.

[Virana]

No, you used a biased report to show that the existence of children as human shields was a "fact" (your own words), when I revealed that that report was compromised because it was not neutral, you failed to provide another source that proved the existence of children as human shields. Now, you can either provide a neutral source that shows the existence of children as human shields or concede the fact that there is no reasonable proof of this and go on your merry way. Its quite simple.

God, it isn't that hard to look things up for yourself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/20/israel

And I see you're dodging the point. You were denying that Palestine uses children as a weapon at all.

And when I disproved your argument, you then went on to back-pedal to the whole children as human shields issue. Are you still going to deny that Palestine uses children as a weapon?

Damn, are you still stuck on that?

Both sides commit atrocities. Neither one's are very justifiable, except when you consider that maybe the children wanted to be used as a weapon? Why else would a 15-year old child (this is from your Wiki article) become a suicide bomber? Of course not because his family/friends were abducted by an oppressive government, or that his brothers or friends were jailed for having been next to other children throwing stones at a wall. He did that because he felt everyone in Israel supported the actions of their government. And a large majority of Israeli Jews do.

[Disco Volante]

You for serious?

If they're being picked up for no reason, yes, but if they believe the men is responable, don't see what's wrong

Throwing stones at a wall isn't an offense by any measure.

Then again, Israel isn't a free country and they're racist against Palestinians so I guess throwing the folks in jail makes sense.

[Jafas United]

Its not my job to look up your argument for you. You can't find any reliable report of human shields and now you're crying about it. Good argument. You should probably ignore me because I pointed this out, since that's what you did with you other guy who posted a reliable source.

Oh for God's sake, why do I even bother with you?

I have shown you an example where human shields, specifically children have been used by Palestinians. It was in the news report I linked you. Not biased at all. It's not my problem that you refuse to accept it in favor of your whole "Palestine has done no wrong" mentality.

And since you haven't answered my question, I'll make it extra big, just for you. Are you still denying that Palestine has ever used children as a weapon?

As I've already explained to you, (but you ignored that post), I ignored him because his post was not relevant at all. I'm still waiting for a response from you for that post. But sine you clearly have a hard time reading and I'm feeling nice, I'll link you to it again so you can't escape.

Might I also remind you that you ignored my credible sources. Which were relevant to the discussion, unlike his.

[Noobubersland]

If they're being picked up for no reason, yes, but if they believe the men is responable, don't see what's wrong

Throwing stones at a wall isn't an offense by any measure.

Then again, Israel isn't a free country and they're racist against Palestinians so I guess throwing the folks in jail makes sense.

Which is why there are no arab members of the israeli parlemient
Oh wait
How many jews in the arab governments?

[Jafas United]

He's right, you know...

see how you deleted the rest of the conversation, thats called taking out of context, if he were actually right, you wouldn't have to do that. Try again.

Er...no. Unless you're a psychic, you can't read my mind.

I deleted the rest of the post because it was too long to quote. I do that with many long posts. I read the rest of the conversation, mind you.

Really, you're grasping at straws here.

[Jafas United]

Source that most of the IDF has broken the Geneva convention?

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/9257
Switzerland. Switzerland is a neutral source. Not the Israeli govt.

That's great. You said most of the IDF should be in jail for breaking the Geneva convention. That's what I want proof of.

[Virana]

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/9257
Switzerland. Switzerland is a neutral source. Not the Israeli govt.

That's great. You said most of the IDF should be in jail for breaking the Geneva convention. That's what I want proof of.

I think you took the hyperbole a little too seriously...

[The UK in Exile]

You for serious?

If they're being picked up for no reason, yes, but if they believe the men is responable, don't see what's wrong

if who believes the man/child/woman is responsible? the section commander who snatched him off the street?