Christian disscussion thread

[Arborlawn]

Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Christianity cannot be the fulfillment of Judaism if has to completely reject everything Judaism believes in order to exist. Judaism firmly believes that G-d is G-d, Human is Human, and that there is no mixing in between. That being the case, the Messiah CANNOT BE G-D. That in and of itself invalidates Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without changing Jewish beliefs to fit its purpose.

Christianity must fit Judaism. Judaism does not have to fit Christianity.

[IshCong]

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Christianity is based off of Judaism, not the same thing. That and maybe he couldnt have founded it because he was crucified? Christianity is BASED off of Christ, not FOUNDED by Christ.

I think it could easily depend on how one means 'founded'.
Although, he did say he was building his church on Peter, so there's that. And, of course, as one and all of the Trinity, he is God, and God provided a lot of the divine inspiration/revelations that forged the church.

[Seperates]

Yeah... No... somebody doesn't understand how physics works. The more dense the substance, the closer it is to the center of mass (a.k.a the Earth). A liquid water canopy wouldn't be possible... and that is besides the fact that there has definitly been rain since before living things even existed.

Bro...Your science makes my head hurt...speak in the queen's English

Then get an education. This is the queen's English... And if it isn't then the queen should get an education.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Christianity is based off of Judaism, not the same thing. That and maybe he couldnt have founded it because he was crucified? Christianity is BASED off of Christ, not FOUNDED by Christ.

Based off of?

Christianity is not a twisted form of Judaism. It is the continuation of it.

Yes, he was crucified, and then rose from the dead, defeating death. He founded Christianity because he was the Christ. Christ have the Great Commission, to tell everyone about Him. If he told his apostles to evangelize, thereby convert, wouldn't that mean he founded it?

[An Slanaitheoir]

Did Martin Luther found Lutheranism? Did John Calvin found Calvinism?

I know Martin Luther founded Lutheranism, dont know about Calvinism though.

Ok, you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus didn't found Christianity, but that Martin Luther founded Lutheranism. Explain this please.

[Orcoa]

Bro...Your science makes my head hurt...speak in the queen's English

Then get an education. This is the queen's English... And if it isn't then the queen should get an education.

I was joking, jeez settle down....here have a kitteh

[Seperates]

Then get an education. This is the queen's English... And if it isn't then the queen should get an education.

I was joking, jeez settle down....here have a kitteh

Tired and not in the mood... Kittah!!

Ok... Good night...

[BoudreauxLand]

Thats right a thread just for christians!

Hurr durr.

Atheist raised by Atheists in a country whose culture is often identified with Catholicism and parties consistently vie for the "Catholic" vote - as the staunchest "Catholics" form a sort of opinion block, placed more or less on the centre/right-of-centre.

I'm a bit annoyed with Catholicism... nevertheless I got a Catholic fiancee. Go figure.

trust me we catholics think the opposite of what you say we are annoyed by you practically all christians are though

[Orcoa]

I was joking, jeez settle down....here have a kitteh

Tired and not in the mood... Kittah!!

Ok... Good night...

Good night! Keep the Kittah!

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Christianity cannot be the fulfillment of Judaism if has to completely reject everything Judaism believes in order to exist. Judaism firmly believes that G-d is G-d, Human is Human, and that there is no mixing in between. That being the case, the Messiah CANNOT BE G-D. That in and of itself invalidates Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without changing Jewish beliefs to fit its purpose.

Christianity must fit Judaism. Judaism does not have to fit Christianity.

I take it you are Jewish, considering you do not spell out God.

The Messiah, Christ, is the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Old Testament. Things change, of course, with Christ's fulfillment of the Law.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Christianity is based off of Judaism, not the same thing. That and maybe he couldnt have founded it because he was crucified? Christianity is BASED off of Christ, not FOUNDED by Christ.

Based off of?

Christianity is not a twisted form of Judaism. It is the continuation of it.

Yes, he was crucified, and then rose from the dead, defeating death. He founded Christianity because he was the Christ. Christ have the Great Commission, to tell everyone about Him. If he told his apostles to evangelize, thereby convert, wouldn't that mean he founded it?

Ok, fine, whatever, your the expert on the Christian faith.

[Arborlawn]

You are not understanding that we he is referring to (He might not even know it either) is the ancient Hebrew understanding of the world. The "Flood Gates" above allowed water through the canopy sea above down to Earth below.

Ok. You've postulated your theoretical points. Prove these gates exist then. Prove that is "canopy sea" exists.

You can't. And that is why religion will stay on the ground contemplating how many angels will fit on the head of a pin, while science will actually go about making our lifes better.

Well . . . I wasn't making any postulates or statements about the ancient Hebrew being correct in their belief. I know they are incorrect. I was simply stating the context he was speaking in, maybe to help you understand he was not meaning it literally, but culturally from ancient Hebrew understandings.

And, as a Jew, I don't believe that science cancels out religion. Science is actually a manifestation of the world, meaning it is also a manifestation of Adonai. We Jews actually see science as necessary for increased religious enlightenment, otherwise we are left with the ancient Hebrew understanding, which we all know is incorrect.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I know Martin Luther founded Lutheranism, dont know about Calvinism though.

Ok, you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus didn't found Christianity, but that Martin Luther founded Lutheranism. Explain this please.

*sigh*

Luther did not found Lutheranism.

Calvinism was not founded by Calvin.

Difference: Neither is a religion - they are slightly different denominations of the same religion.
Next difference: Did either Luther or Calvin tell their followers to go and preach, and to convert people to their denomination?

[BoudreauxLand]

I know Martin Luther founded Lutheranism, dont know about Calvinism though.

Ok, you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus didn't found Christianity, but that Martin Luther founded Lutheranism. Explain this please.

in a way i guess he founded christanity(jesus) but i guess he figured we would still be considered jews. Catholism was one of the first christian group if you dont count the jews who stayed jewish yet believed in christ. well im confusinf myself so....

[Arborlawn]

Christianity cannot be the fulfillment of Judaism if has to completely reject everything Judaism believes in order to exist. Judaism firmly believes that G-d is G-d, Human is Human, and that there is no mixing in between. That being the case, the Messiah CANNOT BE G-D. That in and of itself invalidates Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without changing Jewish beliefs to fit its purpose.

Christianity must fit Judaism. Judaism does not have to fit Christianity.

I take it you are Jewish, considering you do not spell out God.

The Messiah, Christ, is the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Old Testament. Things change, of course, with Christ's fulfillment of the Law.

There are only 613 Laws, and none of them relate to someone being a Messiah. There is not a law that says "You shall be Messiah". The Law comes from the Torah, and the Messiah is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah. The messiah appears in the Isaiah, which you must be careful when interpreting. Half of the book refers to events that have already occurred, while the other half refers to "end times".

The Messiah is philosophy, and wasn't introduced until the Maccabees. Some Jews believe in a Messianic Age without a Messiah, while others do believe in a human Messiah. The key word is a human Messiah, not a G-d Messiah.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Based off of?

Christianity is not a twisted form of Judaism. It is the continuation of it.

Yes, he was crucified, and then rose from the dead, defeating death. He founded Christianity because he was the Christ. Christ have the Great Commission, to tell everyone about Him. If he told his apostles to evangelize, thereby convert, wouldn't that mean he founded it?

Ok, fine, whatever, your the expert on the Christian faith.

More of an expert than you, apparently.

By the way - exactly what are you? Are you still a Muslim?

[An Slanaitheoir]

Ok, you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus didn't found Christianity, but that Martin Luther founded Lutheranism. Explain this please.

*sigh*

Luther did not found Lutheranism.

Calvinism was not founded by Calvin.

Difference: Neither is a religion - they are slightly different denominations of the same religion.
Next difference: Did either Luther or Calvin tell their followers to go and preach, and to convert people to their denomination?

I meant found the denomination. All I was doing was pointing out the conflicting view that USSR has voiced.

[An Slanaitheoir]

Ok, you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus didn't found Christianity, but that Martin Luther founded Lutheranism. Explain this please.

in a way i guess he founded christanity(jesus) but i guess he figured we would still be considered jews. Catholism was one of the first christian group if you dont count the jews who stayed jewish yet believed in christ. well im confusinf myself so....

Jesus was not the first Christian, for you cannot follow yourself.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Ok, fine, whatever, your the expert on the Christian faith.

More of an expert than you, apparently.

By the way - exactly what are you? Are you still a Muslim?

Practicing Lutheran here.

[An Slanaitheoir]

More of an expert than you, apparently.

By the way - exactly what are you? Are you still a Muslim?

Practicing Lutheran here.

My step-mom is an nonpracticing Lutheran (I assume). She doesn't go to church unless with us to our Catholic Church.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

More of an expert than you, apparently.

By the way - exactly what are you? Are you still a Muslim?

Practicing Lutheran here.

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I'm not sure that is possible, when you do not believe that Christ was God.

[Scholencia]

Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

I would compare it with this: The USa is based on Great Britain/Canada but it is not the same.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Practicing Lutheran here.

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I'm not sure that is possible, when you do not believe that Christ was God.

What? I said I belive Christianity was founded by the disciples, Hell did you get that idea?

[Scholencia]

Why dnt the atheists make their own thread?

I assume it is fun to antagonize and to argue with us.

Ok, why have you stolen the name from chrstians?

[An Slanaitheoir]

Practicing Lutheran here.

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I'm not sure that is possible, when you do not believe that Christ was God.

Maybe he is new, and has not been corrected on that before. Apparently 70% of one Catholic diocese thought that Jesus had sinned, not everyone knows all the revealed knowledge of God.