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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 11:30 pm

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Meet Ende, who feels the need to whine about things I've never said.

Sheesh.

Jokes never work on the internet.


They do, it just wasn't a very good joke.
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Postby IshCong » Thu May 17, 2012 11:31 pm

An Slanaitheoir wrote:
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Hey, I was just asking. Christ is a name, jesus is a name, Yahweh is name. Therye all names.

Christ is a description, Jesus is a name, Yahweh is THE name above all names (and probably on of the simplest)


Christ is a title, it means messiah. Now it has wound up referring primarily to Jesus the Christ, the Christ Jesus, Jesus the Nazarean, etc.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 17, 2012 11:32 pm

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Interesting to read, and if you read the Bible its fun to point out easter eggs and grammer/spelling mistakes.


Wait, there are easter eggs? Where! Tell me one!

GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 11:32 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Foguk wrote:
Wait, there are easter eggs? Where! Tell me one!

GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


God's so badass he can divide something from itself.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Erinkita » Thu May 17, 2012 11:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Foguk wrote:
Wait, there are easter eggs? Where! Tell me one!

GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

There's a second sea above the sky.
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Postby IshCong » Thu May 17, 2012 11:35 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


God's so badass he can divide something from itself.


Omnibadass?
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 11:37 pm

Erinkita wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

There's a second sea above the sky.


Or maybe there's a lake within the ocean. What's it called? Goo Lagoon of course.
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Postby An Slanaitheoir » Thu May 17, 2012 11:41 pm

Erinkita wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:GENISIS 1:6

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

There's a second sea above the sky.

I understand it as describing where rain comes from.
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Postby Orcoa » Thu May 17, 2012 11:42 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:
I wouldn't say the Tanakh (The complete "Jewish Bible") is shitty or boring mythology.

The Book of Ecclesiastes is very philosophical, not referring much to any religious matters really.


I've read better.

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Postby Erinkita » Thu May 17, 2012 11:46 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Erinkita wrote:There's a second sea above the sky.


Or maybe there's a lake within the ocean. What's it called? Goo Lagoon of course.

Those are real.

An Slanaitheoir wrote:
Erinkita wrote:There's a second sea above the sky.

I understand it as describing where rain comes from.

It's a pretty good explanation for someone who doesn't know about evaporation and condensation. These kind of "just so" stories always appeal to me.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 17, 2012 11:46 pm

Erinkita wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Or maybe there's a lake within the ocean. What's it called? Goo Lagoon of course.

Those are real.


Why must you ruin my childhood. :(
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 11:47 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
IshCong wrote:
Because Darwin didn't create atheism. Or found it. Or really form atheist ideology, since there is no unified atheist ideology other than the rejection of belief in a deity.

Well Yahweh didnt found or create Christianity. The disciples of Jesus Christ did.

...

You don't believe Christ founded Christianity?

You also obviously don't believe Jesus Christ was God, since that would mean Yahweh (incorrect spelling, I'm sure) did found Christianity.

You're definitely not converting to Christianity any time soon.
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Postby Holy Geneva » Thu May 17, 2012 11:48 pm

An Slanaitheoir wrote:
Erinkita wrote:There's a second sea above the sky.

I understand it as describing where rain comes from.


This passage in Scripture is referring to the separation of the "waters below", which are the oceans and the "waters above", which probably refers to a vapour canopy that surrounded the antediluvian Earth. Prior to the Great Flood of Noah there would have been no rain, but when the Flood occurred vast amounts of water would have been released from this water canopy.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 17, 2012 11:48 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well Yahweh didnt found or create Christianity. The disciples of Jesus Christ did.

...

You don't believe Christ founded Christianity?

You also obviously don't believe Jesus Christ was God, since that would mean Yahweh (incorrect spelling, I'm sure) did found Christianity.

You're definitely not converting to Christianity any time soon.

Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.
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Postby Arborlawn » Thu May 17, 2012 11:50 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well Yahweh didnt found or create Christianity. The disciples of Jesus Christ did.

...

You don't believe Christ founded Christianity?

You also obviously don't believe Jesus Christ was God, since that would mean Yahweh (incorrect spelling, I'm sure) did found Christianity.

You're definitely not converting to Christianity any time soon.


Wonderful observation.
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 17, 2012 11:52 pm

Holy Geneva wrote:
An Slanaitheoir wrote:I understand it as describing where rain comes from.


This passage in Scripture is referring to the separation of the "waters below", which are the oceans and the "waters above", which probably refers to a vapour canopy that surrounded the antediluvian Earth. Prior to the Great Flood of Noah there would have been no rain, but when the Flood occurred vast amounts of water would have been released from this water canopy.

Yeah... No... somebody doesn't understand how physics works. The more dense the substance, the closer it is to the center of mass (a.k.a the Earth). A liquid water canopy wouldn't be possible... and that is besides the fact that there has definitly been rain since before living things even existed.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 11:54 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...

You don't believe Christ founded Christianity?

You also obviously don't believe Jesus Christ was God, since that would mean Yahweh (incorrect spelling, I'm sure) did found Christianity.

You're definitely not converting to Christianity any time soon.

Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!
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Postby Arborlawn » Thu May 17, 2012 11:54 pm

Seperates wrote:
Holy Geneva wrote:
This passage in Scripture is referring to the separation of the "waters below", which are the oceans and the "waters above", which probably refers to a vapour canopy that surrounded the antediluvian Earth. Prior to the Great Flood of Noah there would have been no rain, but when the Flood occurred vast amounts of water would have been released from this water canopy.

Yeah... No... somebody doesn't understand how physics works. The more dense the substance, the closer it is to the center of mass (a.k.a the Earth). A liquid water canopy wouldn't be possible... and that is besides the fact that there has definitly been rain since before living things even existed.


You are not understanding that we he is referring to (He might not even know it either) is the ancient Hebrew understanding of the world. The "Flood Gates" above allowed water through the canopy sea above down to Earth below.
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 17, 2012 11:54 pm

An Slanaitheoir wrote:
Erinkita wrote:There's a second sea above the sky.

I understand it as describing where rain comes from.

Herp derp, rain comes from the sky, herp derp.
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Postby Orcoa » Thu May 17, 2012 11:54 pm

Seperates wrote:
Holy Geneva wrote:
This passage in Scripture is referring to the separation of the "waters below", which are the oceans and the "waters above", which probably refers to a vapour canopy that surrounded the antediluvian Earth. Prior to the Great Flood of Noah there would have been no rain, but when the Flood occurred vast amounts of water would have been released from this water canopy.

Yeah... No... somebody doesn't understand how physics works. The more dense the substance, the closer it is to the center of mass (a.k.a the Earth). A liquid water canopy wouldn't be possible... and that is besides the fact that there has definitly been rain since before living things even existed.

Bro...Your science makes my head hurt...speak in the queen's English :lol:
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 17, 2012 11:55 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...

You don't believe Christ founded Christianity?

You also obviously don't believe Jesus Christ was God, since that would mean Yahweh (incorrect spelling, I'm sure) did found Christianity.

You're definitely not converting to Christianity any time soon.


Wonderful observation.

Thank you. I was rather proud of it myself. Deductive reasoning, you know.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 17, 2012 11:55 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Christianity is based off of Judaism, not the same thing. That and maybe he couldnt have founded it because he was crucified? Christianity is BASED off of Christ, not FOUNDED by Christ.
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Postby An Slanaitheoir » Thu May 17, 2012 11:56 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yahweh is the Jewish God. And frankly Christ didnt found it, he was a Jew, his disciples wrote the Bible and founded the Christian religion.

Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Did Martin Luther found Lutheranism? Did John Calvin found Calvinism?
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 17, 2012 11:56 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Seperates wrote:Yeah... No... somebody doesn't understand how physics works. The more dense the substance, the closer it is to the center of mass (a.k.a the Earth). A liquid water canopy wouldn't be possible... and that is besides the fact that there has definitly been rain since before living things even existed.


You are not understanding that we he is referring to (He might not even know it either) is the ancient Hebrew understanding of the world. The "Flood Gates" above allowed water through the canopy sea above down to Earth below.

Ok. You've postulated your theoretical points. Prove these gates exist then. Prove that is "canopy sea" exists.

You can't. And that is why religion will stay on the ground contemplating how many angels will fit on the head of a pin, while science will actually go about making our lifes better.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 17, 2012 11:57 pm

An Slanaitheoir wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Without the Jewish God, there is no Christianity. Christianity hinges on the belief in the Jewish God. Jesus Christ was the Savior, the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, the Son. He was the Jewish God. How could Christ not have founded Christianity? Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism!

Did Martin Luther found Lutheranism? Did John Calvin found Calvinism?

I know Martin Luther founded Lutheranism, dont know about Calvinism though.
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