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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Vazdania wrote:similar, but not especially.
They are..
not to commit idolatry
not to commit blasphemy
not to commit murder
not to have forbidden sexual relations
not to commit theft
not to eat flesh cut from a living animal
to establish courts of justice to punish violators of the other six laws.

Although God does award bonus points if you manage to break all 7 at the same time. ;)

No hell, for creativity. :p
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Norstal wrote:...We don't submit to any idols?

Money, your country, yourself, etc. Your addictions...anything really.


Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.
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Postby Silent Majority » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:05 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Vazdania wrote:similar, but not especially.
They are..
not to commit idolatry
not to commit blasphemy
not to commit murder
not to have forbidden sexual relations
not to commit theft
not to eat flesh cut from a living animal
to establish courts of justice to punish violators of the other six laws.

Although God does award bonus points if you manage to break all 7 at the same time. ;)


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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:05 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Money, your country, yourself, etc. Your addictions...anything really.


Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.

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Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:07 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Money, your country, yourself, etc. Your addictions...anything really.


Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.

Are you talking about the Cross??
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:07 pm

Dieu Vous Benisse wrote:
Seperates wrote:Show me.

If I must burn for not believing in the absurd. Then, I will do so with a smile. Because I lived my life. And there is nothing sweeter.

I am also leading a sweet life. Except in the end I go to Heaven.

Except I don't care.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.

Are you talking about the Cross??

Crucifixtion really...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.

Are you talking about the Cross??

I'm talking about your belief in the Triune god-head.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:09 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Dieu Vous Benisse wrote:Is it like the ten commandments?

similar, but not especially.
They are..
not to commit idolatry
not to commit blasphemy
not to commit murder
not to have forbidden sexual relations
not to commit theft
not to eat flesh cut from a living animal
to establish courts of justice to punish violators of the other six laws.

Does it define forbidden?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:10 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:similar, but not especially.
They are..
not to commit idolatry
not to commit blasphemy
not to commit murder
not to have forbidden sexual relations
not to commit theft
not to eat flesh cut from a living animal
to establish courts of justice to punish violators of the other six laws.

Does it define forbidden?

There is an argument of the scholars either it means all forbidden sexual relations described in the bigger picture of Laws.

Others say that it is only having sexual relations with another man's wife.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:10 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Are you talking about the Cross??

Crucifixtion really...

we(well most of at least XD) don't worship the crucifixtion....It is the father who we worship.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:11 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Does it define forbidden?

There is an argument of the scholars either it means all forbidden sexual relations described in the bigger picture of Laws.

Others say that it is only having sexual relations with another man's wife.

So which is it?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Crucifixtion really...

we(well most of at least XD) don't worship the crucifixtion....It is the father who we worship.

Then why do you kneel to the cross?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Felbah » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:11 pm

Baptist here! How's everything going?
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The Felbahn war of Succession (Chazicarian victory) *
Felbahn Rebellion (Peace agreement reached) *
A Red Death (Peace agreement reached)
Felbahn War of Reconquest (Felbahn Victory)
The War Against the Fascist Soviet Empire (Peace agreement reached)
Felbah-Karthegian War (Out of date)

* = All part of the Felbahn war of succession.


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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Are you talking about the Cross??

I'm talking about your belief in the Triune god-head.

o_O I thought you were aware that I am Non-Trinitarian. There is one God, one savior and a Holy Spirit of God, 3 different spirits preforming 3 different functions.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:12 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:There is an argument of the scholars either it means all forbidden sexual relations described in the bigger picture of Laws.

Others say that it is only having sexual relations with another man's wife.

So which is it?

That's hard to say.... the way Jewish arguments work... there may not be a right answer... I believe it's the former... but again as I have said many a time before..... it's a questionable subject.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

Felbah wrote:Baptist here! How's everything going?

Brother/Sister! :D
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:I'm talking about your belief in the Triune god-head.

o_O I thought you were aware that I am Non-Trinitarian. There is one God, one savior and a Holy Spirit of God, 3 different spirits preforming 3 different functions.

I believe that's exactly what the holy trinity is.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Christians talking about idolatry should probably remember that they are on somewhat shaky ground with reference to the idolatry commandment, themselves.

Also, worth pointing out, strictly speaking, idolatry requires a physical object which is the focus of worship.

Are you talking about the Cross??


There's certainly a strong argument for reverence to crosses being idolatry, but no - I was referring to the irony of someone who places two other godlike entities in a co-equal relationship with Jehovah god, telling someone else they are an idolator.
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Postby Dieu Vous Benisse » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

Felbah wrote:Baptist here! How's everything going?

Great! Most of those commenting are atheists but everyone is welcome here

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:So which is it?

That's hard to say.... the way Jewish arguments work... there may not be a right answer... I believe it's the former... but again as I have said many a time before..... it's a questionable subject.

God is so unclear it's almost human.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:14 pm

Dieu Vous Benisse wrote:
Felbah wrote:Baptist here! How's everything going?

Great! Most of those commenting are atheists but everyone is welcome here

And I commend you on that much.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Felbah » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:15 pm

Dieu Vous Benisse wrote:
Felbah wrote:Baptist here! How's everything going?

Great! Most of those commenting are atheists but everyone is welcome here

Hmm... That's rather counter-intuitive. I thought this was a Christian Discussion thread. I know everyone is invited and all, but still.
Aktaung Sa’alxatara.

Wars:
The Strebo Albaie invasion of Sarave (Felbahn Victory)
The war against New Hayesalia (New Hayesalian Victory)
The Felbahn war of Succession (Chazicarian victory) *
Felbahn Rebellion (Peace agreement reached) *
A Red Death (Peace agreement reached)
Felbahn War of Reconquest (Felbahn Victory)
The War Against the Fascist Soviet Empire (Peace agreement reached)
Felbah-Karthegian War (Out of date)

* = All part of the Felbahn war of succession.


Pro: Life, Socialism, Christianity, Israel, etc.
Anti: Colonialism, Capitalism, Centralisation, WBC etc.
Neutral: LGBT rights, Palestine etc.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:15 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:That's hard to say.... the way Jewish arguments work... there may not be a right answer... I believe it's the former... but again as I have said many a time before..... it's a questionable subject.

God is so unclear it's almost human.

Yes... God can be very unclear at sometimes.... when arguments boil down to a finer point in the Talmud (which is not here) the answer rarely ever is a concept called Taiku which means that at the end of days the Tishbite will answer all remaining questions.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:16 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:we(well most of at least XD) don't worship the crucifixtion....It is the father who we worship.

Then why do you kneel to the cross?

Symbol of Christ. its like Holding a football or something >_> if your a football enthusiast.

Its not necessary. People who kneel before the cross or whatever should realize what they are kneeling for, not for the cross, but for what it represents...The Savior.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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