Christian disscussion thread

[Uiiop]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

I quite like the differences between rational wiki and conservapedia. Rationalwiki tends to hold that all theists share a single braincell and atheism is the only rational choice. Conservapedia states the opposite.

In true both of them are to far away to the left or right for the taste of an agnostic-theist centrist.

Source evaluation complete.

that wasn't necessary but thanks/sincerity

[The Realm of God]

I quite like the differences between rational wiki and conservapedia. Rationalwiki tends to hold that all theists share a single braincell and atheism is the only rational choice. Conservapedia states the opposite.

In true both of them are to far away to the left or right for the taste of an agnostic-theist centrist.

Source evaluation complete.

that wasn't necessary but thanks/sincerity

I know it wasn't necessary but it's always good to write about something.

[Royal Black Institution]

I do not really dislike any other religion or denomination. However, if I must say something, it would be Roman Catholicism. And this proves that people who are about the same, have more disputes with each other, than the people who are completely different.

God bless you all my Brothers and God bless Albion!

[Dyakovo]

Please, explain why it's dumb. Enlighten me.

They're nothing more than a cult.

That doesn't differentiate them from Roman Catholicism.

[The Evil Land of Evil People who do Evil]

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

That is because christ is supposed to be the King of Jews that was prophesized about a long time ago. Its a statement of opinion. If Christ really is the one who was prophesized then it is true, but if he is not then he is not.

[Republic of Ameronesia]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

That is because christ is supposed to be the King of Jews that was prophesized about a long time ago. Its a statement of opinion. If Christ really is the one who was prophesized then it is true, but if he is not then he is not.

The Bible speaks of this, as the Rejected Cornerstone of Salvation:

“The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

When Peter preached to the Jewish leaders in Acts 4:8–12, he quoted Psalm 118:22 to show that Jesus is the rejected stone whom God made to be the cornerstone of salvation. They (the Jewish leaders) rejected him, but God not only accepted him but put him in the position of highest honor.
Peter pressed the point home with this powerful conclusion: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). These words are utterly exclusive. There is no other hope, no other way, and no other name than the name of Jesus. If we would be saved, we must come God’s way or we won’t come at all.

[Conscentia]

That is because christ is supposed to be the King of Jews that was prophesized about a long time ago. Its a statement of opinion. If Christ really is the one who was prophesized then it is true, but if he is not then he is not.

The Bible speaks of this, as the Rejected Cornerstone of Salvation:

“The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

When Peter preached to the Jewish leaders in Acts 4:8–12, he quoted Psalm 118:22 to show that Jesus is the rejected stone whom God made to be the cornerstone of salvation. They (the Jewish leaders) rejected him, but God not only accepted him but put him in the position of highest honor.
Peter pressed the point home with this powerful conclusion: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). These words are utterly exclusive. There is no other hope, no other way, and no other name than the name of Jesus. If we would be saved, we must come God’s way or we won’t come at all.

Except Psalms was not intended to be prophetic scripture. Psalms means praises. It's a collection of poetic writings written to praise God, not prophetic scripture.

[Menassa]

The Bible speaks of this, as the Rejected Cornerstone of Salvation:

“The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

When Peter preached to the Jewish leaders in Acts 4:8–12, he quoted Psalm 118:22 to show that Jesus is the rejected stone whom God made to be the cornerstone of salvation. They (the Jewish leaders) rejected him, but God not only accepted him but put him in the position of highest honor.
Peter pressed the point home with this powerful conclusion: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). These words are utterly exclusive. There is no other hope, no other way, and no other name than the name of Jesus. If we would be saved, we must come God’s way or we won’t come at all.

Except Psalms was not intended to be prophetic scripture. Psalms means praises. It's a collection of poetic writings written to praise God, not prophetic scripture.

Also even a brief look at Psalms even in the NIV (which is a dangerous game) you would see that the begining of the psalms begins with praise for god and the house of Aaron and the rest is a remeberance of when King David was in trouble:

מִן-הַמֵּצַר, קָרָאתִי יָּהּ; עָנָנִי בַמֶּרְחָב יָהּ Out of my straits I called upon the LORD; He answered me with great enlargement.
...
ח טוֹב, לַחֲסוֹת בַּיהוָה-- מִבְּטֹחַ, בָּאָדָם. 8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
ט טוֹב, לַחֲסוֹת בַּיהוָה-- מִבְּטֹחַ, בִּנְדִיבִים. 9 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes.
י כָּל-גּוֹיִם סְבָבוּנִי; בְּשֵׁם יְהוָה, כִּי אֲמִילַם. 10 All nations compass me about; verily, in the name of the LORD I will cut them off.
יא סַבּוּנִי גַם-סְבָבוּנִי; בְּשֵׁם יְהוָה, כִּי אֲמִילַם. 11 They compass me about, yea, they compass me about; verily, in the name of the LORD I will cut them off.
יב סַבּוּנִי כִדְבוֹרִים-- דֹּעֲכוּ, כְּאֵשׁ קוֹצִים;
בְּשֵׁם יְהוָה, כִּי אֲמִילַם. 12 They compass me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns; {N}
verily, in the name of the LORD I will cut them off.

So you see the claim that his psalm is talking about Jesus is erroneous and false.

Just like Psalm 22 but perhaps... less obvious.

[THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES]

That is because christ is supposed to be the King of Jews that was prophesized about a long time ago. Its a statement of opinion. If Christ really is the one who was prophesized then it is true, but if he is not then he is not.

The Bible speaks of this, as the Rejected Cornerstone of Salvation:

“The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

When Peter preached to the Jewish leaders in Acts 4:8–12, he quoted Psalm 118:22 to show that Jesus is the rejected stone whom God made to be the cornerstone of salvation. They (the Jewish leaders) rejected him, but God not only accepted him but put him in the position of highest honor.
Peter pressed the point home with this powerful conclusion: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). These words are utterly exclusive. There is no other hope, no other way, and no other name than the name of Jesus. If we would be saved, we must come God’s way or we won’t come at all.

Still, I don't think that Jesus would condem his own religion.

[Menassa]

The Bible speaks of this, as the Rejected Cornerstone of Salvation:

“The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

When Peter preached to the Jewish leaders in Acts 4:8–12, he quoted Psalm 118:22 to show that Jesus is the rejected stone whom God made to be the cornerstone of salvation. They (the Jewish leaders) rejected him, but God not only accepted him but put him in the position of highest honor.
Peter pressed the point home with this powerful conclusion: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). These words are utterly exclusive. There is no other hope, no other way, and no other name than the name of Jesus. If we would be saved, we must come God’s way or we won’t come at all.

Still, I don't think that Jesus would condem his own religion.

A little bit of a Dochek.

But I'll humor you.

The point was to get people to believe in what he said and not to believe in what the Pharisees were saying.... so the way to do that would level the severity of following after the Pharisees.

[THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES]

Still, I don't think that Jesus would condem his own religion.

A little bit of a Dochek.

But I'll humor you.

The point was to get people to believe in what he said and not to believe in what the Pharisees were saying.... so the way to do that would level the severity of following after the Pharisees.

I'm not really following you, Jesus was trying to lead people back to lives of holiness. He was not a huge fan of the majority of the Pharisees. This was because of what was going on in the Temple and some of the Pharisees being Hippocrates.

[Conscentia]

A little bit of a Dochek.

But I'll humor you.

The point was to get people to believe in what he said and not to believe in what the Pharisees were saying.... so the way to do that would level the severity of following after the Pharisees.

I'm not really following you, Jesus was trying to lead people back to lives of holiness. He was not a huge fan of the majority of the Pharisees. This was because of what was going on in the Temple and some of the Pharisees being Hippocrates.

The Pharisees were being Hippocrates - Greek physician, traditionally regarded as the father of medicine?

[Menassa]

A little bit of a Dochek.

But I'll humor you.

The point was to get people to believe in what he said and not to believe in what the Pharisees were saying.... so the way to do that would level the severity of following after the Pharisees.

I'm not really following you, Jesus was trying to lead people back to lives of holiness. He was not a huge fan of the majority of the Pharisees. This was because of what was going on in the Temple and some of the Pharisees being Hippocrates.

Jesus THOUGHT he was trying to lead people back the the lives of holiness..... his followers thought that too I suppose.

And I really don't have a problem with what the Pharisees were doing in the Temple.... but that's besides the point.

[Dyakovo]

I'm not really following you, Jesus was trying to lead people back to lives of holiness. He was not a huge fan of the majority of the Pharisees. This was because of what was going on in the Temple and some of the Pharisees being Hippocrates.

The Pharisees were being Hippocrates - Greek physician, traditionally regarded as the father of medicine?

It was a typo...
He meant to say Hippostania.
*nods*

[THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES]

I'm not really following you, Jesus was trying to lead people back to lives of holiness. He was not a huge fan of the majority of the Pharisees. This was because of what was going on in the Temple and some of the Pharisees being Hippocrates.

The Pharisees were being Hippocrates - Greek physician, traditionally regarded as the father of medicine?

Sorry, my iPod has stupid auto correct.
Hipoctites.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

So how is everyone enjoying the Advent season?

[Conscentia]

So how is everyone enjoying the Advent season?

I'm enjoying the pagan decorations you Christians have been putting up, very festive.

[THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES]

So how is everyone enjoying the Advent season?

I'm enjoying the pagan decorations you Christians have been putting up, very festive.

I know we took both the tree and the day (25) from pagans, but there was a reason.

While Christianity was still growing the Church decided to make pagan conversions easier. So they made Jesus's birthday a day that was already a pagan holiday and threw in the pine tree also.

These days, are there any other religious or secular holidays that use trees?

USSR, did you ever convert?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I'm enjoying the pagan decorations you Christians have been putting up, very festive.

I know we took both the tree and the day (25) from pagans, but there was a reason.

While Christianity was still growing the Church decided to make pagan conversions easier. So they made Jesus's birthday a day that was already a pagan holiday and threw in the pine tree also.

These days, are there any other religious or secular holidays that use trees?

USSR, did you ever convert?

Yes I did. I am a devout Lutheran.

[Conscentia]

Yes I did. I am a devout Lutheran.

I'm curious, what did you convert from?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yes I did. I am a devout Lutheran.

I'm curious, what did you convert from?

Paganism.

[THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES]

I know we took both the tree and the day (25) from pagans, but there was a reason.

While Christianity was still growing the Church decided to make pagan conversions easier. So they made Jesus's birthday a day that was already a pagan holiday and threw in the pine tree also.

These days, are there any other religious or secular holidays that use trees?

USSR, did you ever convert?

Yes I did. I am a devout Lutheran.

Congrats!

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yes I did. I am a devout Lutheran.

Congrats!

Thank you.

[Conscentia]

I'm curious, what did you convert from?

Paganism.

Yeah, Paganism refers to hundreds of religions. Which specifically?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Paganism.

Yeah, Paganism refers to hundreds of religions. Which specifically?

Wicca.