Christian disscussion thread

[Reggae Magmia]

They're nothing more than a cult.



Rastafarianism is worst than the Baha'i faith.

I have no idea what that is.

It's a fascinating movement.

[Abatael]

They're nothing more than a cult.

How? They follow the OT, they very spiritual, there's a Mansion that actually puts Yeshua above Selassie (the one I would join)...

How the fuck is it a cult?!

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.

They're nothing more than a cult.



Rastafarianism is worst than the Baha'i faith.

I have no idea what that is.

They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

[Nightkill the Emperor]

They're nothing more than a cult.

How? They follow the OT, they're very spiritual, there's a Mansion that actually puts Yeshua above Selassie (the one I would join)...

How the fuck is it a cult?!

Because it isn't Catholic.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

How? They follow the OT, they very spiritual, there's a Mansion that actually puts Yeshua above Selassie (the one I would join)...

How the fuck is it a cult?!

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.

I have no idea what that is.

They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

I see.

[Reggae Magmia]

How? They follow the OT, they very spiritual, there's a Mansion that actually puts Yeshua above Selassie (the one I would join)...

How the fuck is it a cult?!

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.

I have no idea what that is.

They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

Clearly you didn't listen to a fucking thing I just said.

"Mansions" are simply their term for denomination. If Rastafari is a cult because of that, then so is Christianity according to your logic

NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

Check the Twelve Tribes Mansion.

[Reggae Magmia]

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.



They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

I see.

Check my link, and read through the different beliefs, or ask me through TG. He's spouting generalized bullshit as usual.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I see.

Check my link, and read through the different beliefs, or ask me through TG. He's spouting generalized bullshit as usual.

I had a feeling his post might be a little biased toward the Catholic Church but he is entitled to his own opinion. I will read your link.

[Conscentia]

Oh, that's really dumb. In fact, I dislike that way more than Orthodoxy, if it can even be called a Christian denomination.

What actually is your problem with Orthodoxy?

It's not Catholicism.

[Conscentia]

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NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

They consider Selassie to be the Messiah come again.
As the Christian Messiah is also God, Selassie is also God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I#Rastafari_messiah

[Reggae Magmia]

Check my link, and read through the different beliefs, or ask me through TG. He's spouting generalized bullshit as usual.

I had a feeling his post might be a little biased toward the Catholic Church but he is entitled to his own opinion. I will read your link.

The problem he's generalizing the beliefs of all Rastas, when they have the same varying beliefs as Christians do.

Here's the mansion that doesn't put Selassie above God or Yeshua.
^If I became a Rasta it would be this mansion that I'd follow.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I had a feeling his post might be a little biased toward the Catholic Church but he is entitled to his own opinion. I will read your link.

The problem he's generalizing the beliefs of all Rastas, when they have the same varying beliefs as Christians do.

Here's the mansion that doesn't put Selassie above God or Yeshua.
^If I became a Rasta it would be this mansion that I'd follow.

Okay.

[Abatael]

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.



They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

Clearly you didn't listen to a fucking thing I just said.

"Mansions" are simply their term for denomination. If Rastafari is a cult because of that, then so is Christianity according to your logic

NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

Check the Twelve Tribes Mansion.

Non-traditional religious movements often grow and survive by maintaining an inherent flexibility and an ability to change with the times and with the needs of potential converts. Christianity's stake upon the historical event of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ -- an event that is by nature open to rational investigation and, therefore, subject, theoretically speaking, to disproof -- is a bold statement of a faith that simply cannot or will not change with the wind.

But Rastafarianism, like many new faiths, does not stake itself upon claims that are open to immediate or rational disproof. It is a fluid movement by its very nature: Rastafarianism is not a church movement with hierarchical structures, highly developed institutions, and systematic theology. It has neither a priesthood nor a clergy. It has no agreed system of beliefs, no agreed credo equal to the Nicene Creed, and no social pressure to commit to what beliefs it has, for attendance and participation in worship and ritual are not obligatory. Though the Rastafarian movement is small in the grand view of religious faiths, it is growing steadily and, as we will see, suits well the relativistic climate of our age.

As always, Christians must be prepared to understand and confront alternate religious movements, which offer pale substitutes for the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. But to understand Rastafarianism fully is no easy task, for it is a faith of composite plasticity, and beliefs and rituals may change from one group to the next. It is indeed possible to identify a core of beliefs commonly, but not necessarily, held by Rastafarian believers.

Reggae Magmia, Rastafrianism is bullshit.

Edit: From here: http://www.tektonics.org/print.php4

[Reggae Magmia]

[...]
NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

They consider Selassie to be the Messiah come again.
As the Christian Messiah is also God, Selassie is also God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I#Rastafari_messiah

That slightly contradicts another article specific to the TT Mansion:

They do believe that Yesus from the bible did exist and that Haile Selassie is his second coming, as do Covenant Rastafaris.

H.I.M. is seen as a divinely anointed king in the lineage of King David and King Solomon. While he is considered a type/representation of The Messiyah in Kingly Character, he is not Yahshuwah The Messiyah/Yesus Kristos himself, but a representative of the everlasting Davidic covenant, which is to be fulfilled by The MessiahYahshuah/ I-Yesus Kristos when he returns as The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Yahudah).

The first part is right, but your second statement is questionable in regard to this specific mansion. More emphasis seems to be given on the fact the Selassie is viewed as a continuation of the Davidic Covenant and not that he is the second coming, as Yeshua himself will come again.

1. Non-traditional religious movements often grow and survive by maintaining an inherent flexibility and an ability to change with the times and with the needs of potential converts. Christianity's stake upon the historical event of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ -- an event that is by nature open to rational investigation and, therefore, subject, theoretically speaking, to disproof -- is a bold statement of a faith that simply cannot or will not change with the wind.

2. But Rastafarianism, like many new faiths, does not stake itself upon claims that are open to immediate or rational disproof. It is a fluid movement by its very nature: Rastafarianism is not a church movement with hierarchical structures, highly developed institutions, and systematic theology. It has neither a priesthood nor a clergy. It has no agreed system of beliefs, no agreed credo equal to the Nicene Creed, and no social pressure to commit to what beliefs it has, for attendance and participation in worship and ritual are not obligatory. Though the Rastafarian movement is small in the grand view of religious faiths, it is growing steadily and, as we will see, suits well the relativistic climate of our age.

3. As always, Christians must be prepared to understand and confront alternate religious movements, which offer pale substitutes for the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
4. But to understand Rastafarianism fully is no easy task, for it is a faith of composite plasticity, and beliefs and rituals may change from one group to the next. It is indeed possible to identify a core of beliefs commonly, but not necessarily, held by Rastafarian believers.

Reggae Magmia, Rastafrianism is bullshit.

Edit: From here: http://www.tektonics.org/print.php4

1. Okay.
2. Okay...why is it a problem that their belief system is not as dogmatic?
3. Implying that Rastafari as a whole doesn't accept the Gospel...
4. You're preaching to the choir.

The link won't come up.

[Conscentia]

They consider Selassie to be the Messiah come again.
As the Christian Messiah is also God, Selassie is also God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I#Rastafari_messiah

That slightly contradicts another article specific to the TT Mansion:

They do believe that Yesus from the bible did exist and that Haile Selassie is his second coming, as do Covenant Rastafaris.

H.I.M. is seen as a divinely anointed king in the lineage of King David and King Solomon. While he is considered a type/representation of The Messiyah in Kingly Character, he is not Yahshuwah The Messiyah/Yesus Kristos himself, but a representative of the everlasting Davidic covenant, which is to be fulfilled by The MessiahYahshuah/ I-Yesus Kristos when he returns as The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Yahudah).

The first part is right, but your second statement is questionable in regard to this specific mansion.

I didn't say that they believe that Selassie was Jesus. I said that they believe he was the Messiah.
Which your specific house does:
"While he is considered a type/representation of The Messiyah in Kingly Character"

[Reggae Magmia]

I didn't say that they believe that Selassie was Jesus. I said that they believe he was the Messiah.
Which your specific house does:
"While he is considered a type/representation of The Messiyah in Kingly Character"

I see what you're saying. Apologies, I misinterpreted your statement.

Yes, just as the Jews believe the Messiah will deliver them back to the Promised Land, Rastas see/saw Selassie as bringing black people back to Africa (which, he did give a piece of land in Shashamane to people of African decent in the West Indies and still embodies a spirit of African independence and repatriation).

[Norstal]

Yeah, that whole mansion thing isn't cult-like at all.

And they worship a human.



They're a cult; they worship this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I

Clearly you didn't listen to a fucking thing I just said.

"Mansions" are simply their term for denomination. If Rastafari is a cult because of that, then so is Christianity according to your logic

NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

Check the Twelve Tribes Mansion.

You are talking to a person who said protestants are heretics: viewtopic.php?p=11441155#p11441155

I mean, really now.

[Reggae Magmia]

Clearly you didn't listen to a fucking thing I just said.

"Mansions" are simply their term for denomination. If Rastafari is a cult because of that, then so is Christianity according to your logic

NOT ALL RASTAS CONSIDER SELASSIE GOD!

Check the Twelve Tribes Mansion.

You are talking to a person who said protestants are heretics: viewtopic.php?p=11441155#p11441155

I mean, really now.

I have this strange, uncontrollable impulse to try to explain stuff to people even if I know my efforts are probably pointless.

It gets annoying.

[Menassa]

I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.

Which religion do I dislike the most?

Canaanite Paganism.

Which Christian denomination do I dislike the most?

Jews for Jesus.

[Abatael]

I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.

Which religion do I dislike the most?

Canaanite Paganism.

Which Christian denomination do I dislike the most?

Jews for Jesus.

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

[Menassa]

Messianic Jewish Synagogues are Christian Churchs which have a Jewish slant so they can lure Jews into conversion to Christianity. They are mostly operated by Ultra-Conservative denomination of Christianity like *sigh* The Southern Baptists and Chosen People Ministries.

High five!
o/

As I said to someone last night.
What do they call the book of John and Matthew?
Yonasuan and Mattisyahu
but the precious books of Joshua and Judges.... the Jewish books what do they call them?
Not Yehoshua and Shoptim!
No! These are Joshua and Judges!
WHY?!!
Because they don't need to prove the Jewishness of the Jewish books.

The fereverntly deny the Oral law (Rabbinic Law, you're welcome Ethel) yet most the things they do are Rabbinic!

Where in the Torah does it say to wear a Kippah WHERE?!
No where..... it's a Oral (Rabbinic) Commandment.

[Uiiop]

Which religion do I dislike the most?

Canaanite Paganism.

Which Christian denomination do I dislike the most?

Jews for Jesus.

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

[Menassa]

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

Burstards.

[Johz]

Which religion do I dislike the most?

Canaanite Paganism.

Which Christian denomination do I dislike the most?

Jews for Jesus.

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

The name is a good start. I mean, the only way they could have made it worse would be by exchanging 'for' for the number 'four', having a massive circular logo containing nothing but two 'J's linked by the aforementioned number and plastering it on the side of minivans.

It's the sort of name where you expect them to be running summer camps where everyone sits around the campfire singing "Jews for Jesus // Jews for Jesus // We're all Jews for Jesus // Yay!" and the other assorted 429 verses.

In terms of anything actually wrong with the organisation, see someone intelligent like Menassa.

[The Realm of God]

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus This liberal biased article claims that jews for jesus falsely states that believing in Christianity is the most Jewish thing you can do.

I quite like the differences between rational wiki and conservapedia. Rationalwiki tends to hold that all theists share a single braincell and atheism is the only rational choice. Conservapedia states the opposite.

In true both of them are to far away to the left or right for the taste of an agnostic-theist centrist.

Source evaluation complete.

[Menassa]

What's wrong with the Jews for Jesus?

The name is a good start. I mean, the only way they could have made it worse would be by exchanging 'for' for the number 'four', having a massive circular logo containing nothing but two 'J's linked by the aforementioned number and plastering it on the side of minivans.

It's the sort of name where you expect them to be running summer camps where everyone sits around the campfire singing "Jews for Jesus // Jews for Jesus // We're all Jews for Jesus // Yay!" and the other assorted 429 verses.

In terms of anything actually wrong with the organisation,see someone intelligent like Menassa.

Aww thank you!

I really need more of this in my life.