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Postby Royal Black Institution » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:24 am

Greetings my brethren, may I join the disscussion?
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Postby Samonaemia » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:31 am

Hello people, I'm a Muslim, and I'm curios to know the difference between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I just want to know the fundamental differences

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:32 am

Samonaemia wrote:Hello people, I'm a Muslim, and I'm curios to know the difference between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I just want to know the fundamental differences


I'd suggest you use Wikipedia or other free tools, they will tell you everything you need to know. :)

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:39 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Samonaemia wrote:Hello people, I'm a Muslim, and I'm curios to know the difference between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I just want to know the fundamental differences


I'd suggest you use Wikipedia or other free tools, they will tell you everything you need to know. :)

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:23 am

Samonaemia wrote:Hello people, I'm a Muslim, and I'm curios to know the difference between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I just want to know the fundamental differences


A not-definitive list of the most important differences might include....



Doctrinal position of the Pope of Rome -
Catholic: Pope has sole primacy over the entirety of the church, including in doctrine.
Orthodox: were the Pope not in schism with the church, he would be acknowledged as first among equals, but would not have doctrinal primacy.


Church governance -
Catholic: Sole church governed by the Pope (supported by a complex but single bureaucracy).
Orthodox: Church consists of 15 autonomous branches all in communion with each other, but governed separately; all bishops are equal in doctrine, though each branch of the Orthodox church typically has a head patriarch/bishop; Patriarch of Constantinople is just first among equals.


Nicene Creed -
Catholic: Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son.
Orthodox: Holy Spirit proceeds from Father only.


Original Sin -
Catholic: Yes
Orthodox: No


Purgatory -
Catholic: Yes
Orthodox: No


Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God -
Catholic: Mother of God born inherently free of the stain of Original Sin
Orthodox: Mother of God did not sin, but as capable of sinning as any other human since there is no Original Sin for her to avoid


Married Priests:
Catholic: No (exception for Eastern Rite Catholics, who follow Orthodox rule)
Orthodox: Parish priests yes, but bishops must be monks


Contraception:
Catholic: No
Orthodox: Yes a lot of the time


Divorce:
Catholic: No
Orthodox: Yes, but maximum of two remarriages.
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Postby Samonaemia » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:35 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Samonaemia wrote:Hello people, I'm a Muslim, and I'm curios to know the difference between orthodoxy and Catholicism, I just want to know the fundamental differences


A not-definitive list of the most important differences might include....



Doctrinal position of the Pope of Rome -
Catholic: Pope has sole primacy over the entirety of the church, including in doctrine.
Orthodox: were the Pope not in schism with the church, he would be acknowledged as first among equals, but would not have doctrinal primacy.


Church governance -
Catholic: Sole church governed by the Pope (supported by a complex but single bureaucracy).
Orthodox: Church consists of 15 autonomous branches all in communion with each other, but governed separately; all bishops are equal in doctrine, though each branch of the Orthodox church typically has a head patriarch/bishop; Patriarch of Constantinople is just first among equals.


Nicene Creed -
Catholic: Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son.
Orthodox: Holy Spirit proceeds from Father only.


Original Sin -
Catholic: Yes
Orthodox: No


Purgatory -
Catholic: Yes
Orthodox: No


Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God -
Catholic: Mother of God born inherently free of the stain of Original Sin
Orthodox: Mother of God did not sin, but as capable of sinning as any other human since there is no Original Sin for her to avoid


Married Priests:
Catholic: No (exception for Eastern Rite Catholics, who follow Orthodox rule)
Orthodox: Parish priests yes, but bishops must be monks


Contraception:
Catholic: No
Orthodox: Yes a lot of the time


Divorce:
Catholic: No
Orthodox: Yes, but maximum of two remarriages.

Thank you, that really explained a lot for me.

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Postby Royal Black Institution » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:35 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Married Priests:
Catholic: No (exception for Eastern Rite Catholics, who follow Orthodox rule)
Orthodox: Parish priests yes, but bishops must be monks

I think that you meant bachelors. I am quite certain that someone doesn't need to have been ordained a Monk to become a Bishop in Orthodoxy. But I am an Anglican, so I am not completely sure.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:44 am

Royal Black Institution wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Married Priests:
Catholic: No (exception for Eastern Rite Catholics, who follow Orthodox rule)
Orthodox: Parish priests yes, but bishops must be monks

I think that you meant bachelors. I am quite certain that someone doesn't need to have been ordained a Monk to become a Bishop in Orthodoxy. But I am an Anglican, so I am not completely sure.

God bless you!


Bachelor alone won't cut it - while parish priests can be married, bishops need to be celibate. Bachelors are not necessarily celibate, and several prominent bishops through history have been widowers.

In theory, you're technically correct; there's no absolute requirement to be a monk. In practice, you'd be very hard pressed to find any examples post-dating the early medieval period of Orthodox bishops who weren't also monks.

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Postby Royal Black Institution » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:28 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Royal Black Institution wrote:I think that you meant bachelors. I am quite certain that someone doesn't need to have been ordained a Monk to become a Bishop in Orthodoxy. But I am an Anglican, so I am not completely sure.

God bless you!


Bachelor alone won't cut it - while parish priests can be married, bishops need to be celibate. Bachelors are not necessarily celibate, and several prominent bishops through history have been widowers.

In theory, you're technically correct; there's no absolute requirement to be a monk. In practice, you'd be very hard pressed to find any examples post-dating the early medieval period of Orthodox bishops who weren't also monks.

Thank you very much!
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Postby The Realm of God » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:18 pm

I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:20 pm

The Realm of God wrote:I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?


Remind me, are you a convert, or were you born Orthodox?

I promise it's a relevant question - though not perhaps for any obvious reason.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:21 pm

The Realm of God wrote:I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?

Sure. By all means. I am thinking about it myself.
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Postby Republic Of Hell » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:22 pm

The Realm of God wrote:I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?


I think it doesn't matter what titles you hold if you believe in Jesus, regardless what your stance in the church is or even if you go to church at all. But if you want to become one, feel free to. I would personally rather you devote your time to being an overseas missionary either way. :)
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Postby Menassa » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:22 pm

The Realm of God wrote:I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?

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Postby The Realm of God » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:23 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:I am starting to think about being ordained as a priest or a deacon eventually.

What do you all think?


Remind me, are you a convert, or were you born Orthodox?

I promise it's a relevant question - though not perhaps for any obvious reason.


Convert, though why?
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:31 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Remind me, are you a convert, or were you born Orthodox?

I promise it's a relevant question - though not perhaps for any obvious reason.


Convert, though why?


You might enjoy this gently humorous book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Flew-Over-O ... 1928653278

One of the chapters mentions how 'ordainitis' is a common malady of the convert.

That's not to say that you're not wholly sincere, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise for a second - but it seems to be a common issue for Orthodox parish priests to discover that their converted male parishioners contemplate ordination; and with so many different levels and orders of ordination in Orthodoxy, the temptation's perhaps understandable.

So again, not for a second do I mean to suggest that you're not 100% sincere; but realistically you should talk to a priest, as I'm sure you're already planning on doing if you follow through.

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Postby Abatael » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:31 pm

I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:33 pm

Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.



Surely disliking so strongly is an un-Christian activity?

Turning the other cheek and forgiveness are paramount, even when directed towards teenage Catholics with a chip on their shoulder about Orthodoxy.

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Postby Abatael » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:35 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.



Surely disliking so strongly is an un-Christian activity?

Turning the other cheek and forgiveness are paramount, even when directed towards teenage Catholics with a chip on their shoulder about Orthodoxy.


You don't have to dislike it strongly; it simply asks for the one you dislike the most. Everyone dislikes one more than another, even if it it severe disliking.

And what are you talking about?
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Postby Germanic Templars » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:36 pm

Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.


I actually like all religions, mainly because I believe that tolerance is a teaching of Christ and that if we can tolerate others, then we can live a life close to that in Heaven.

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Postby Abatael » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.


I actually like all religions, mainly because I believe that tolerance is a teaching of Christ and that if we can tolerate others, then we can live a life close to that in Heaven.


Which one do you like the least then?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.

Paganism. For sure.

I do not know. All denominations are Christian and I don't really hate any.
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Postby Czechanada » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:38 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Abatael wrote:I'm just curious about this, but which other religion (atheism is not one) do you guys dislike the most?

Which Christian denomination do you dislike the most?

For the religion I dislike the most, I'm not fully decided. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I dislike pagan religions more. It most likely is Hinduism.
I dislike the Orthodox denomination the most.



Surely disliking so strongly is an un-Christian activity?

Turning the other cheek and forgiveness are paramount, even when directed towards teenage Catholics with a chip on their shoulder about Orthodoxy.


That's typical teenage counterculture, always wanting to rebel against the bad guys.
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