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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:12 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:By Jove we've done it! Pull the hatch forward what year is it good sir?

Fuck it. Who cares? The Roman Catholic Church will just reinvent the dating system around some arbitrary date in a historically inaccurate book anyways.

Well to me it's 9-26-73.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:13 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Seperates wrote:"We need to be different somehow..."
"Wait, I know! Lets focus on sex!"
"Why?"
"Surely, you know the old saying... Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds soon follow."
"Brilliant!"

I'll add to this

"You had me at balls" ;)

Did I? ;)
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The walkers
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Postby The walkers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:13 pm

Seperates wrote:
The walkers wrote:Well, I would argue human ignorance is the largest vehicle of hatred(although some on here would argue that religion is the result of human ignorance). Certainly in the Torah and Koran it makes clear that homosexuality needs to be punished physically, but the Bible itself argues that all Sins are equal, and that you should forgive others when they sin. This would include homosexuality.

That said I would again credit it more to human ignorance than the religion itself.(BTW I am not a professional on either the Torah or Koran)

No... because other cultures have throughout history have tolerated and even accepted homosexuals. It's not even all religion persay as it is religion of the Abrahamic persuasion.

I was talking hatred in general, which my bad I had begun to deviate a bit off towards a more general subject. :p

I would say you're thinking more of the culture and not the religious views which do have an impact on the culture(or the culture on the religious views either way). I'll give an example from personal experience. I live in an area with little religious fervor, but massive homophobia, in justification of this I usually got responses of:

"Its unnatural and illogical for two men to have sex"
"they're just so freaking weird man"

and the few religious people around here

"Because the Bible says its wrong clearly!"

Obviously my own personal experiences is not really evidence to prove the entire idea, but it is just an example. Also: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... rview.html

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:14 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Fuck it. Who cares? The Roman Catholic Church will just reinvent the dating system around some arbitrary date in a historically inaccurate book anyways.

Well to me it's 9-26-73.

To me it's Stardate 4039.20.59.
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:15 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Well to me it's 9-26-73.

To me it's Stardate 4039.20.59.

Captains log.

Oh look speaking of space.... we're waaay off topic :p
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Orcoa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:15 pm

Seperates wrote:
Orcoa wrote:I'll add to this

"You had me at balls" ;)

Did I? ;)

Mhm now speaking of something "Christian" I'm looking up some dope Drink Recipes for a christmas party coming up soon.

Any ideas? :p
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Well to me it's 9-26-73.

To me it's Stardate 4039.20.59.

when we start to colonize a moon or another planet we had BETTER switch to SpaceDate -_- I will be a VERY mad Vazdania if we do not.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:20 pm

The walkers wrote:
Seperates wrote:No... because other cultures have throughout history have tolerated and even accepted homosexuals. It's not even all religion persay as it is religion of the Abrahamic persuasion.

I was talking hatred in general, which my bad I had begun to deviate a bit off towards a more general subject. :p

I would say you're thinking more of the culture and not the religious views which do have an impact on the culture(or the culture on the religious views either way). I'll give an example from personal experience. I live in an area with little religious fervor, but massive homophobia, in justification of this I usually got responses of:

"Its unnatural and illogical for two men to have sex"
"they're just so freaking weird man"

and the few religious people around here

"Because the Bible says its wrong clearly!"

Obviously my own personal experiences is not really evidence to prove the entire idea, but it is just an example. Also: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... rview.html

Well, I am an Anthropology major (damn I say that way too much on here)... so culture tends to be of slight interest to me (Anthropology is literally the study of human culture.)

My largest issue is that the religion tends to provide fuel to those cultural views, rather than allieviating them. If it is not advocating for tolerance and acceptance, it is leaving room for the valid interpretation of intolerance and hatred.
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Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:22 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Did I? ;)

Mhm now speaking of something "Christian" I'm looking up some dope Drink Recipes for a christmas party coming up soon.

Any ideas? :p

Not much of a drinker myself... but I recommend spiced rum and eggnog. I'm still working on the proportions, so I'll get back to you when I've figured that out.

Otherwise, I don't really know anything festive.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:24 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:To me it's Stardate 4039.20.59.

Captains log.

Oh look speaking of space.... we're waaay off topic :p

Captain, I believe we we've been off course for the past 11 parsecs.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:24 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:To me it's Stardate 4039.20.59.

when we start to colonize a moon or another planet we had BETTER switch to SpaceDate -_- I will be a VERY mad Vazdania if we do not.

Stardate. Not Spacedate.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Orcoa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:25 pm

Seperates wrote:
Orcoa wrote:Mhm now speaking of something "Christian" I'm looking up some dope Drink Recipes for a christmas party coming up soon.

Any ideas? :p

Not much of a drinker myself... but I recommend spiced rum and eggnog. I'm still working on the proportions, so I'll get back to you when I've figured that out.

Otherwise, I don't really know anything festive.

That sounds good...but I got something you can try or not

Add a shot of Jagermeister and then take two half cups of Hpnotiq and Cognac.

You get what I call "The Angry Santa" :lol:
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Postby Menassa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:25 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Captains log.

Oh look speaking of space.... we're waaay off topic :p

Captain, I believe we we've been off course for the past 11 parsecs.

"Hey you gals wanna make the kessel run?"

"Yeah but we only have 7 parsecs"

"Heh heh heh hop in"
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:26 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:when we start to colonize a moon or another planet we had BETTER switch to SpaceDate -_- I will be a VERY mad Vazdania if we do not.

Stardate. Not Spacedate.

-_- no. SpaceDate. We won't be traveling through stars (we would die) we will be traveling through space.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Stardate. Not Spacedate.

-_- no. SpaceDate. We won't be traveling through stars (we would die) we will be traveling through space.

We already have traveled through Space. Point irrelevent.

Fuck, we are standing on a planet that is traveling through space. So point doubly irrelevent.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:29 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:-_- no. SpaceDate. We won't be traveling through stars (we would die) we will be traveling through space.

We already have traveled through Space. Point irrelevent.

Fuck, we are standing on a planet that is traveling through space. So point doubly irrelevent.

well then...we should switch now ;)
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:29 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Not much of a drinker myself... but I recommend spiced rum and eggnog. I'm still working on the proportions, so I'll get back to you when I've figured that out.

Otherwise, I don't really know anything festive.

That sounds good...but I got something you can try or not

Add a shot of Jagermeister and then take two half cups of Hpnotiq and Cognac.

You get what I call "The Angry Santa" :lol:

Now I just have to figure out how to get my hands on those ingredients...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Orcoa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:30 pm

Seperates wrote:
Orcoa wrote:That sounds good...but I got something you can try or not

Add a shot of Jagermeister and then take two half cups of Hpnotiq and Cognac.

You get what I call "The Angry Santa" :lol:

Now I just have to figure out how to get my hands on those ingredients...

Walmart that bitch up! 8)
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:30 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:We already have traveled through Space. Point irrelevent.

Fuck, we are standing on a planet that is traveling through space. So point doubly irrelevent.

well then...we should switch now ;)

At another irrelevent date? Absolutly not.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Now I just have to figure out how to get my hands on those ingredients...

Walmart that bitch up! 8)

If you're under 21 and you know it clap your hands.
*claps* :p
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Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby The walkers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Seperates wrote:
The walkers wrote:I was talking hatred in general, which my bad I had begun to deviate a bit off towards a more general subject. :p

I would say you're thinking more of the culture and not the religious views which do have an impact on the culture(or the culture on the religious views either way). I'll give an example from personal experience. I live in an area with little religious fervor, but massive homophobia, in justification of this I usually got responses of:

"Its unnatural and illogical for two men to have sex"
"they're just so freaking weird man"

and the few religious people around here

"Because the Bible says its wrong clearly!"

Obviously my own personal experiences is not really evidence to prove the entire idea, but it is just an example. Also: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... rview.html

Well, I am an Anthropology major (damn I say that way too much on here)... so culture tends to be of slight interest to me (Anthropology is literally the study of human culture.)

My largest issue is that the religion tends to provide fuel to those cultural views, rather than allieviating them. If it is not advocating for tolerance and acceptance, it is leaving room for the valid interpretation of intolerance and hatred.

I can agree with that. It certainly seems true when one looks at Christianity where Christ spent his life sacrificing for people, yet the interpretation most people have made is that he would want them to kill everybody.(obviously hyperbole lol)

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Captain, I believe we we've been off course for the past 11 parsecs.

"Hey you gals wanna make the kessel run?"

"Yeah but we only have 7 parsecs"

"Heh heh heh hop in"

*Wookie growl*
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:32 pm

The walkers wrote:
Seperates wrote:Well, I am an Anthropology major (damn I say that way too much on here)... so culture tends to be of slight interest to me (Anthropology is literally the study of human culture.)

My largest issue is that the religion tends to provide fuel to those cultural views, rather than allieviating them. If it is not advocating for tolerance and acceptance, it is leaving room for the valid interpretation of intolerance and hatred.

I can agree with that. It certainly seems true when one looks at Christianity where Christ spent his life sacrificing for people, yet the interpretation most people have made is that he would want them to kill everybody.(obviously hyperbole lol)

Something like that.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Orcoa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:33 pm

Seperates wrote:
Orcoa wrote:Walmart that bitch up! 8)

If you're under 21 and you know it clap your hands.
*claps* :p

(Claps)

I'm 21 and this Christmas is going to get crazy 8)
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Postby Orcoa » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:34 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:"Hey you gals wanna make the kessel run?"

"Yeah but we only have 7 parsecs"

"Heh heh heh hop in"

*Wookie growl*

Damn waking fur carpet...
Long Live The Wolf Emperor!
This is the song I sing to those who screw with me XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXnFhnpEgKY
"this is the Internet: The place where religion goes to die." Crystalcliff Point

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