Christian disscussion thread

[Orcoa]

Well, I hope none of us here are implying that Christianity is the source for the hatred towards homosexuals in the world. It has certainly been used as a defense for the hatred of it before.

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

To me it only shows why I have little faith in humanity these days.

People taking something beautiful, sacred, and holy and corrupting it with their human evils

[Orcoa]

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

And most likely Christianity and even Islam will do so as well. It takes time, hard work, and bit of hope to do this.

Hopefully in a hundred years or so things will be different...one can hope

[Seperates]

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

To me it only shows why I have little faith in humanity these days.

People taking something beautiful, sacred, and holy and corrupting it with their human evils

Not really. It just shows that it's just a book. An idea on paper. Not holy, not beautiful, not sacred.

If it were really God's word... it would be incorruptable.

[Seperates]

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

And most likely Christianity and even Islam will do so as well. It takes time, hard work, and bit of hope to do this.

Hopefully in a hundred years or so things will be different...one can hope

Or else they will slowly be put to the wayside like the Greek mythos...

One can hope.

[Menassa]

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

As of late?

I don't believe Homosexual's should be persecuted... the Laws found in Leviticus don't apply to them... only the Jewish Homosexuals... for which there is no earthly punishment.

[Orcoa]

To me it only shows why I have little faith in humanity these days.

People taking something beautiful, sacred, and holy and corrupting it with their human evils

Not really. It just shows that it's just a book. An idea on paper. Not holy, not beautiful, not sacred.

If it were really God's word... it would be incorruptible.

Nothing is incorruptible....and that is why I have little faith in humanity

[Seperates]

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

As of late?

I don't believe Homosexual's should be persecuted... the Laws found in Leviticus don't apply to them... only the Jewish Homosexuals... for which there is no earthly punishment.

I guess.

[Seperates]

Not really. It just shows that it's just a book. An idea on paper. Not holy, not beautiful, not sacred.

If it were really God's word... it would be incorruptible.

Nothing is incorruptible....and that is why I have little faith in humanity

Shame. God's rather mundane then...
Which is why I have little faith.

[Vazdania]

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

As of late?

I don't believe Homosexual's should be persecuted... the Laws found in Leviticus don't apply to them... only the Jewish Homosexuals... for which there is no earthly punishment.

So Gentiles can be homosexual then?

[Orcoa]

And most likely Christianity and even Islam will do so as well. It takes time, hard work, and bit of hope to do this.

Hopefully in a hundred years or so things will be different...one can hope

Or else they will slowly be put to the wayside like the Greek mythos...

One can hope.

Indeed

[Menassa]

As of late?

I don't believe Homosexual's should be persecuted... the Laws found in Leviticus don't apply to them... only the Jewish Homosexuals... for which there is no earthly punishment.

So Gentiles can be homosexual then?

Not entirely... one of the Laws commands against Sexual immorality.... there are essentially two opinions... one holds it means any Airvah described in the Torah... the other holds it means only with married women.

[The walkers]

Well, I hope none of us here are implying that Christianity is the source for the hatred towards homosexuals in the world. It has certainly been used as a defense for the hatred of it before.

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

Well, I would argue human ignorance is the largest vehicle of hatred(although some on here would argue that religion is the result of human ignorance). Certainly in the Torah and Koran it makes clear that homosexuality needs to be punished physically, but the Bible itself argues that all Sins are equal, and that you should forgive others when they sin. This would include homosexuality.

That said I would again credit it more to human ignorance than the religion itself.(BTW I am not a professional on either the Torah or Koran)

[Vazdania]

So Gentiles can be homosexual then?

Not entirely... one of the Laws commands against Sexual immorality.... there are essentially two opinions... one holds it means any Airvah described in the Torah... the other holds it means only with married women.

Your opinion is what/

[Menassa]

Not entirely... one of the Laws commands against Sexual immorality.... there are essentially two opinions... one holds it means any Airvah described in the Torah... the other holds it means only with married women.

Your opinion is what/

My personal opinion holds with the former... because the latter allows for non-Jews to have sexual relations with animals.... which is one of the world was destroyed for.

Do I think Homosexuals should be stoned according the Oral Law and that Homosexuality should be made illegal? No I do not think this.

If a person told me they were a Homosexual would I think any less of them? No I would not.

[Seperates]

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

Well, I would argue human ignorance is the largest vehicle of hatred(although some on here would argue that religion is the result of human ignorance). Certainly in the Torah and Koran it makes clear that homosexuality needs to be punished physically, but the Bible itself argues that all Sins are equal, and that you should forgive others when they sin. This would include homosexuality.

That said I would again credit it more to human ignorance than the religion itself.(BTW I am not a professional on either the Torah or Koran)

No... because other cultures have throughout history have tolerated and even accepted homosexuals. It's not even all religion persay as it is religion of the Abrahamic persuasion.

[Menassa]

Well, I would argue human ignorance is the largest vehicle of hatred(although some on here would argue that religion is the result of human ignorance). Certainly in the Torah and Koran it makes clear that homosexuality needs to be punished physically, but the Bible itself argues that all Sins are equal, and that you should forgive others when they sin. This would include homosexuality.

That said I would again credit it more to human ignorance than the religion itself.(BTW I am not a professional on either the Torah or Koran)

No... because other cultures have throughout history have tolerated and even accepted homosexuals. It's not even all religion persay as it is religion of the Abrahamic persuasion.

Which is probably why it spoken against so viciously.

[Bordurian]

Your opinion is what/

My personal opinion holds with the former... because the latter allows for non-Jews to have sexual relations with animals.... which is one of the world was destroyed for.

Do I think Homosexuals should be stoned according the Oral Law and that Homosexuality should be made illegal? No I do not think this.
If a person told me they were a Homosexual would I think any less of them? No I would not.

I believe that governments can preform those marriages. Just as long as they don't force it on a church. Based my understanding of the bible God isn't against being a homosexual. He's just against fulfilling homosexual needs.

[Bordurian]

Your opinion is what/

My personal opinion holds with the former... because the latter allows for non-Jews to have sexual relations with animals.... which is one of the world was destroyed for.

Do I think Homosexuals should be stoned according the Oral Law and that Homosexuality should be made illegal? No I do not think this.
If a person told me they were a Homosexual would I think any less of them? No I would not.

I believe that governments can preform those marriages. Just as long as they don't force it on a church. Based my understanding of the bible God isn't against being a homosexual. He's just against fulfilling homosexual needs.

[Seperates]

No... because other cultures have throughout history have tolerated and even accepted homosexuals. It's not even all religion persay as it is religion of the Abrahamic persuasion.

Which is probably why it spoken against so viciously.

"We need to be different somehow..."
"Wait, I know! Lets focus on sex!"
"Why?"
"Surely, you know the old saying... Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds soon follow."
"Brilliant!"

[Menassa]

My personal opinion holds with the former... because the latter allows for non-Jews to have sexual relations with animals.... which is one of the world was destroyed for.

Do I think Homosexuals should be stoned according the Oral Law and that Homosexuality should be made illegal? No I do not think this.
If a person told me they were a Homosexual would I think any less of them? No I would not.

I believe that governments can preform those marriages. Just as long as they don't force it on a church. Based my understanding of the bible God isn't against being a homosexual. He's just against fulfilling homosexual needs.

Correct... the prohibition of living in the same house and sleeping in the same bed and being 'in love' or 'kissing' another man is purely Rabbinic.

However other forms of ways to achieve 'homosexual needs' could be seen as a wasting of semen.

[Menassa]

Which is probably why it spoken against so viciously.

"We need to be different somehow..."
"Wait, I know! Lets focus on sex!"
"Why?"
"Surely, you know the old saying... Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds soon follow."
"Brilliant!"

By Jove we've done it! Pull the hatch forward what year is it good sir?

[Seperates]

My personal opinion holds with the former... because the latter allows for non-Jews to have sexual relations with animals.... which is one of the world was destroyed for.

Do I think Homosexuals should be stoned according the Oral Law and that Homosexuality should be made illegal? No I do not think this.
If a person told me they were a Homosexual would I think any less of them? No I would not.

I believe that governments can preform those marriages. Just as long as they don't force it on a church. Based my understanding of the bible God isn't against being a homosexual. He's just against fulfilling homosexual needs.

I'm not anti-humanity.
I'm just against them fufilling their needs to eat, drink, and breath. That's all.

[Orcoa]

Which is probably why it spoken against so viciously.

"We need to be different somehow..."
"Wait, I know! Lets focus on sex!"
"Why?"
"Surely, you know the old saying... Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds soon follow."
"Brilliant!"

I'll add to this

"You had me at balls"

[Menassa]

I believe that governments can preform those marriages. Just as long as they don't force it on a church. Based my understanding of the bible God isn't against being a homosexual. He's just against fulfilling homosexual needs.

I'm not anti-humanity.
I'm just against them fufilling their needs to eat, drink, and breath. That's all.

Again that's like the Jew who says:

"I can get into heaven if I don't believe in God but still keep The Law!"

[Seperates]

"We need to be different somehow..."
"Wait, I know! Lets focus on sex!"
"Why?"
"Surely, you know the old saying... Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds soon follow."
"Brilliant!"

By Jove we've done it! Pull the hatch forward what year is it good sir?

Fuck it. Who cares? The Roman Catholic Church will just reinvent the dating system around some arbitrary date in a historically inaccurate book anyways.