Christian disscussion thread

[Menassa]

Well I do adore you for trying, your translation and context may be a bit off.

I default to the NIV, and rarely end up looking at alternate or more literal translations; I should probably do so more often. Thanks for writing the translation here.

The words in the verse are: Ezer kenegdoi a helper oppisite him.

Ezer meaning helper nd keneged meanin oppisite the oi to say the word is masculine possesive referring to Adam.

A man cannot be the oppisite of another man.

A Democrat cannot be the opposite of another Democrat. A white person cannot be the opposite of another white person. Long hair cannot be the opposite of long hair. How far is oppositeness taken?

I'm currently reading a paper on the construction of gender, which argues that gender and gender roles are purely social constructs with no biological influence. Therefore, there may conceivably be a society in which men and women are not opposites and it is only their sexes which differ. As a physical attribute which may have little or no bearing on personality and all, I'd say that having sexes be opposite is as important as having hairstyles differ. Therefore, I do not think men and women being opposites is meaningful.

It's not that it's a different translation of the bible.

It is The Translation of the Bible from the direct Hebrew.

Regardless of what you mean by oppisite.... if you follow the law to the fullest extent having Homosexual relations as a man would be Asor m'Diaraisah you have transgressed on a commandment directly written in the Torah for I believe which the punishment is Keres.... from heaven.... and death on earth.... which is bad.... this however does not apply to say a Christian who does not follow the Law.

[The Realm of God]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

[The Ben Boys]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

For the love of...

See the downside to being the largest religion in the world is that you get a massive amount of stupid people that make the rest look bad. Seriously, if only about .1% of "Christians" are like this, then there's two million or so wackos out there.I really do hate this with a passion: whenever I tell someone I'm Christian, especially in NorCal, it's usually "stop judging", "why do you hate gays", and "well, your nice, so your a minority" when in fact, a vast, vast majority aren't.

[Seperates]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

For the love of...

See the downside to being the largest religion in the world is that you get a massive amount of stupid people that make the rest look bad. Seriously, if only about .1% of "Christians" are like this, then there's two million or so wackos out there.I really do hate this with a passion: whenever I tell someone I'm Christian, especially in NorCal, it's usually "stop judging", "why do you hate gays", and "well, your nice, so your a minority" when in fact, a vast, vast majority aren't.

It's more than .1% world-wide.

You keep forgetting Latin America, South America, and Africa. Many of the Christian majority countries there are very anti-homosexual.

[Abatael]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

For the love of...

See the downside to being the largest religion in the world is that you get a massive amount of stupid people that make the rest look bad. Seriously, if only about .1% of "Christians" are like this, then there's two million or so wackos out there.I really do hate this with a passion: whenever I tell someone I'm Christian, especially in NorCal, it's usually "stop judging", "why do you hate gays", and "well, your nice, so your a minority" when in fact, a vast, vast majority aren't.

That's not their fault. It's the stupid (by NorCal, I assume you mean Northern California) Northern Californians fault for not knowing the majority aren't like that. They're the ones making generalization; they're the ones not making any attempt to see what the majority of Christians are like, even though a Christian is probably one of their neighbors; it's not they're fault.

[The Ben Boys]

For the love of...

See the downside to being the largest religion in the world is that you get a massive amount of stupid people that make the rest look bad. Seriously, if only about .1% of "Christians" are like this, then there's two million or so wackos out there.I really do hate this with a passion: whenever I tell someone I'm Christian, especially in NorCal, it's usually "stop judging", "why do you hate gays", and "well, your nice, so your a minority" when in fact, a vast, vast majority aren't.

It's more than .1% world-wide.

You keep forgetting Latin America, South America, and Africa. Many of the Christian majority countries there are very anti-homosexual.

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

[Vazdania]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

Southern Baptists are HIGHLY conservative and it will probably take a large group of Independent and 'American' Baptists to change the Conferences opinion on the matter.

[Menassa]

It's more than .1% world-wide.

You keep forgetting Latin America, South America, and Africa. Many of the Christian majority countries there are very anti-homosexual.

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

Don't look know.... there's a Catholic right above you.

[The Ben Boys]

I hate shit like this, the bigotry burns.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... il_rights/

So according to the Southern Baptists it's ok to promote discrimination against LGBT individuals.....

Faith in humanity lost slightly.

Southern Baptists are HIGHLY conservative and it will probably take a large group of Independent and 'American' Baptists to change the Conferences opinion on the matter.

Ahh, those damn Yanks.

[Vazdania]

Southern Baptists are HIGHLY conservative and it will probably take a large group of Independent and 'American' Baptists to change the Conferences opinion on the matter.

Ahh, those damn Yanks.

AIN'T NOBODY GUNNA BE CHANGIN DA CONFERNCS OPINYUN. AINT NOONE!!!

[The Ben Boys]

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

Don't look know.... there's a Catholic right above you.

I have no problem with Catholics, my best friend is one. It's just how it works with a hierarchal church. Protestant (specifically Baptist) ones are known to splinter on contact, whilst a non-denominational (like the one I belong to) can be very... non-zealous is not the right word. I'm just being fairly frank on it, as it is how these ideologies work.

[Vazdania]

Don't look know.... there's a Catholic right above you.

I have no problem with Catholics, my best friend is one. It's just how it works with a hierarchal church. Protestant (specifically Baptist) ones are known to splinter on contact, whilst a non-denominational (like the one I belong to) can be very... non-zealous is not the right word. I'm just being fairly frank on it, as it is how these ideologies work.

ITS THE NATURE OF BAPTIST CHURCHS TO DO SO! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE RELIGION??? INDIVIDUAL SOUL LIBERTY! THAT MEANS 100000000000000000000000 CHRUCHS FOR 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 DIFFERENT IDEAS!!!

[The Ben Boys]

I have no problem with Catholics, my best friend is one. It's just how it works with a hierarchal church. Protestant (specifically Baptist) ones are known to splinter on contact, whilst a non-denominational (like the one I belong to) can be very... non-zealous is not the right word. I'm just being fairly frank on it, as it is how these ideologies work.

ITS THE NATURE OF BAPTIST CHURCHS TO DO SO! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE RELIGION??? INDIVIDUAL SOUL LIBERTY! THAT MEANS 100000000000000000000000 CHRUCHS FOR 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 DIFFERENT IDEAS!!!

I just formed a denomination based on that post.

[Seperates]

It's more than .1% world-wide.

You keep forgetting Latin America, South America, and Africa. Many of the Christian majority countries there are very anti-homosexual.

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

Are you unaware of the Ugandan "Kill the homosexuals" bill? I do not know if they are Catholic or not.
Lets see...
Pretty much every country in Latin America tend towards a culturally male-dominance, so homosexuality is seen as feminine and therefore bad. More of a sexism issue than gays issue really... though much of that was propogated through the Catholic Church.

Almost all countries in South America with the exception of Brazil and the couple countries still owned by forgien powers. Oddly enough, Brazil was also recently ranked among the most atheistic countries in the world, from being one of the most Catholic...

You just said 'Christian'. You did not specify.

[Vazdania]

ITS THE NATURE OF BAPTIST CHURCHS TO DO SO! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE RELIGION??? INDIVIDUAL SOUL LIBERTY! THAT MEANS 100000000000000000000000 CHRUCHS FOR 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 DIFFERENT IDEAS!!!

I just formed a denomination based on that post.

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHMYLOL!!! YES! YES!

Its completely fine for Baptist Church's to split and it all comes down to interpretation. A Bible quote may say 'cut off your hand if it causes you to sin' part of the congregation may take that literally and the other half may take that metaphorically. Both should have other citations to support their interpretation, if this becomes an 'irreconcilable difference' than maybe it would be good for the divided congregation to separate. This doesn't mean separate spiritually, they should be friendly and spiritually involved with each other and mutually respect and enjoy the other.

[The Ben Boys]

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

Are you unaware of the Ugandan "Kill the homosexuals" bill? I do not know if they are Catholic or not.
Lets see...
Pretty much every country in Latin America tend towards a culturally male-dominance, so homosexuality is seen as feminine and therefore bad. More of a sexism issue than gays issue really... though much of that was propogated through the Catholic Church.

Almost all countries in South America with the exception of Brazil and the couple countries still owned by forgien powers. Oddly enough, Brazil was also recently ranked among the most atheistic countries in the world, from being one of the most Catholic...

You just said 'Christian'. You did not specify.

No, I'm not aware of the first.

Again, I don't know much about Latin America, so I think I'll have to take your word for now.

South America is fairly fucked-up as is Africa, so I think that could really just be an outlet, but again,you seem to know more bout it than me.

I didn't see the need to specify, but apparently, I need to look into it more. Nevertheless, it still looks like the majority aren't total assholes.

[Seperates]

Are you unaware of the Ugandan "Kill the homosexuals" bill? I do not know if they are Catholic or not.
Lets see...
Pretty much every country in Latin America tend towards a culturally male-dominance, so homosexuality is seen as feminine and therefore bad. More of a sexism issue than gays issue really... though much of that was propogated through the Catholic Church.

Almost all countries in South America with the exception of Brazil and the couple countries still owned by forgien powers. Oddly enough, Brazil was also recently ranked among the most atheistic countries in the world, from being one of the most Catholic...

You just said 'Christian'. You did not specify.

No, I'm not aware of the first.

Again, I don't know much about Latin America, so I think I'll have to take your word for now.

South America is fairly fucked-up as is Africa, so I think that could really just be an outlet, but again,you seem to know more bout it than me.

I didn't see the need to specify, but apparently, I need to look into it more. Nevertheless, it still looks like the majority aren't total assholes.

Oh... forgot about Eastern Europe too.

That was the majority. America is the minority of Christians comparitivly.

[The Realm of God]

Southern Baptists are HIGHLY conservative and it will probably take a large group of Independent and 'American' Baptists to change the Conferences opinion on the matter.

Ahh, those damn Yanks.

Techniqully not Yankees there from the South, Redneck would be a better term.

[Vazdania]

Ahh, those damn Yanks.

Techniqully not Yankees there from the South, Redneck would be a better term.

You must have misread that.....reread My original post

[The walkers]

I am unaware of any specific states, to my dismay. Can you provide a list, please?

Also, are they Catholic? They like to play follow-the-leader better than anyone else.

Are you unaware of the Ugandan "Kill the homosexuals" bill? I do not know if they are Catholic or not.
Lets see...
Pretty much every country in Latin America tend towards a culturally male-dominance, so homosexuality is seen as feminine and therefore bad. More of a sexism issue than gays issue really... though much of that was propogated through the Catholic Church.

Almost all countries in South America with the exception of Brazil and the couple countries still owned by forgien powers. Oddly enough, Brazil was also recently ranked among the most atheistic countries in the world, from being one of the most Catholic...

You just said 'Christian'. You did not specify.

Well, I hope none of us here are implying that Christianity is the source for the hatred towards homosexuals in the world. It has certainly been used as a defense for the hatred of it before.

[Seperates]

Are you unaware of the Ugandan "Kill the homosexuals" bill? I do not know if they are Catholic or not.
Lets see...
Pretty much every country in Latin America tend towards a culturally male-dominance, so homosexuality is seen as feminine and therefore bad. More of a sexism issue than gays issue really... though much of that was propogated through the Catholic Church.

Almost all countries in South America with the exception of Brazil and the couple countries still owned by forgien powers. Oddly enough, Brazil was also recently ranked among the most atheistic countries in the world, from being one of the most Catholic...

You just said 'Christian'. You did not specify.

Well, I hope none of us here are implying that Christianity is the source for the hatred towards homosexuals in the world. It has certainly been used as a defense for the hatred of it before.

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

[Menassa]

Well, I hope none of us here are implying that Christianity is the source for the hatred towards homosexuals in the world. It has certainly been used as a defense for the hatred of it before.

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

[Farnhamia]

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

You just built the vehicles by including that stuff in Leviticus and not explaining it properly.

[Seperates]

Nope. It just appears, along with Islam, to be one of the largest vehicles that hatred towards homosexuals takes the form of.

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

I would have said Jews, but you guys have gotten more liberal as of late.

[Menassa]

I didn't see you mention Jews there.... +5 points for us!

You just built the vehicles by including that stuff in Leviticus and not explaining it properly.

We explain it properly.... you're just to blind to see.