Christian disscussion thread

[Vortropolis]

Why must you use italics so much? and atheists are known on NSG for questioning theists when they state what religion they believe in, and when they mention that there ''switching sects of christianity''.

The signature of one of my other nations, Dinahia, reads as follows:

Warning: This user may use pronouns like "thou", "thy", and "thine" for no apparent reason, and unnecessary italicisation, also for no apparent reason.

Om my apologies I didn't see it .

[Conscentia]

The signature of one of my other nations, Dinahia, reads as follows:

Om my apologies I didn't see it .

Thou art forgiven.

[The Realm of God]

Baptist logic.

Christians must follow unquestionably.
If you do ask theological questions your not a Christian.
If your not a Christian you must be an atheist.

No room for Hebrews then?

That's why its a fallacy.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

[Mavorpen]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Preferably with scriptural support backing it up.

[Tlaceceyaya]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Preferably with scriptural support backing it up.

And then something other than scripture, since words in a book are a poor reason to discriminate.

[Conscentia]

Preferably with scriptural support backing it up.

And then something other than scripture, since words in a book are a poor reason to discriminate.

...Er, what Christianity considers sinful is essentially based on scripture & tradition.
What exactly do you expect them to come up that's not from the bible?
A quote from a priest?

[The Realm of God]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Last time I checked, Jesus did not say this "Ye shall go forth, with the world's rednecks and hicks, you shall focus on sin and make that sin illegal. Ye shall form a party and ye shall call it the Republicans. Lastly thou shalt discriminate against thy neighbor."

No, I see homosexuality as a none issue. I try to follow Christ, I am not so insecure about my faith that I have to try and enforce it.

[Dyakovo]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Last time I checked, Jesus did not say this "Ye shall go forth, with the world's rednecks and hicks, you shall focus on sin and make that sin illegal. Ye shall form a party and ye shall call it the Republicans. Lastly thou shalt discriminate against thy neighbor."

No, I see homosexuality as a none issue. I try to follow Christ, I am not so insecure about my faith that I have to try and enforce it.

To be fair, he asked if you think homosexuality is sinful, not whether you thought your beliefs about homosexuality should be enforced on others...

For me the answer is, of course, no...

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Last time I checked, Jesus did not say this "Ye shall go forth, with the world's rednecks and hicks, you shall focus on sin and make that sin illegal. Ye shall form a party and ye shall call it the Republicans. Lastly thou shalt discriminate against thy neighbor."

No, I see homosexuality as a none issue. I try to follow Christ, I am not so insecure about my faith that I have to try and enforce it.

Hmm. Interesting.

[The Realm of God]

Last time I checked, Jesus did not say this "Ye shall go forth, with the world's rednecks and hicks, you shall focus on sin and make that sin illegal. Ye shall form a party and ye shall call it the Republicans. Lastly thou shalt discriminate against thy neighbor."

No, I see homosexuality as a none issue. I try to follow Christ, I am not so insecure about my faith that I have to try and enforce it.

To be fair, he asked if you think homosexuality is sinful, not whether you thought your beliefs about homosexuality should be enforced on others...

For me the answer is, of course, no...

No, unless you count Jewish law or a hilariously amateur mistranslation in Romans. Then no, no it isn't.

[Conscentia]

To be fair, he asked if you think homosexuality is sinful, not whether you thought your beliefs about homosexuality should be enforced on others...

For me the answer is, of course, no...

No, unless you count Jewish law or a hilariously amateur mistranslation in Romans. Then no, no it isn't.

Well really, the OT doesn't say "Don't be attracted to males if thou are male". It says "Don't lie with man as thou would with woman."
It's less about the attraction, more about the act.
...The scripture doesn't mention female homosexuality except in Revelation, where it is described as something that will happen, not something that should be punished, if I recall correctly.

[Menassa]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

From a religious perspective, having Homosexual relations is a sin.

However, it is not for you or I to lay down the punishment of this sin.

Preferably with scriptural support backing it up.

And then something other than scripture, since words in a book are a poor reason to discriminate.

Why would you care if another set of books besides scripture deems an act as sin?

If you don't believe in a god.... then you don't care about sinning.

Not that this is a bad thing however.

[Johz]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

I reckon homosexuality probably wasn't how God intended the world, but then there are a hell of a lot of things wrong with the world, and it's no-one's fault that they happen. Additionally, homosexuality doesn't seem like much of a problem to me, certainly something that you can't choose can't be a wilful sin. Gay sex/marriage as a Christian? I'm on the fence, probably leaning against, in the same way I'd lean against someone remarrying in many cases. Some people just aren't called to family life. Should churches support homosexuals? Definitely, but then this is the same church that should be supporting murderers and thieves, so that doesn't say much at all. Should homosexuality (or even heterosexuality) define oneself? I don't think so. Is this all a deeply personal issue that I as a straight person with a relatively basic understanding of theology don't really have much of a right to speak about? Certainly. If my best friend came out as gay, and told me he wanted to get marriage, would that change my opinion of him at all? Certainly not.

[Tsuntion]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Homosexuality itself being sinful has no scriptural basis. I also do not see homosexual acts as sinful despite the 'clobber passages'; indeed, Genesis 2:18 supports gay and straight people at least being in relationships as "it is not good for the man to be alone" and, for homosexuals, a "helper suitable for [them]" is someone of the same gender.

[West Angola]

The Old Testament has multiple mentions of homosexual acts. There are actual provisions against it (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13), as well as the account of the destruction of Sodom, the main reason for this being its rampant homosexual actions. None of these are actual provisions against being homosexual, merely participating in the act. In the Book of Acts, an Ethiopian "eunuch," which in some biblical cases was polite code for homosexual, is described as an ideal convert.

[Dyakovo]

The Old Testament has multiple mentions of homosexual acts. There are actual provisions against it (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13), as well as the account of the destruction of Sodom, the main reason for this being its rampant homosexual actions. None of these are actual provisions against being homosexual, merely participating in the act. In the Book of Acts, an Ethiopian "eunuch," which in some biblical cases was polite code for homosexual, is described as an ideal convert.

Leviticus does not apply to Christians, the destruction of Sodom was not because of homosexuality, and eunuch is not polite code for homosexual.
Care to try again?

[Menassa]

New topic of discussion! How many of you see homosexuality as sinful?

Homosexuality itself being sinful has no scriptural basis. I also do not see homosexual acts as sinful despite the 'clobber passages'; indeed, Genesis 2:18 supports gay and straight people at least being in relationships as "it is not good for the man to be alone" and, for homosexuals, a "helper suitable for [them]" is someone of the same gender.

Well I do adore you for trying, your translation and context may be a bit off.

The words in the verse are: Ezer kenegdoi a helper oppisite him.

Ezer meaning helper nd keneged meanin oppisite the oi to say the word is masculine possesive referring to Adam.

A man cannot be the oppisite of another man.

I do not however disagree with your ideals tha perhaps for everyone who is not-Jewish should be bound by scriptural law.

[Tsuntion]

Homosexuality itself being sinful has no scriptural basis. I also do not see homosexual acts as sinful despite the 'clobber passages'; indeed, Genesis 2:18 supports gay and straight people at least being in relationships as "it is not good for the man to be alone" and, for homosexuals, a "helper suitable for [them]" is someone of the same gender.

Well I do adore you for trying, your translation and context may be a bit off.

I default to the NIV, and rarely end up looking at alternate or more literal translations; I should probably do so more often. Thanks for writing the translation here.

The words in the verse are: Ezer kenegdoi a helper oppisite him.

Ezer meaning helper nd keneged meanin oppisite the oi to say the word is masculine possesive referring to Adam.

A man cannot be the oppisite of another man.

A Democrat cannot be the opposite of another Democrat. A white person cannot be the opposite of another white person. Long hair cannot be the opposite of long hair. How far is oppositeness taken?

I'm currently reading a paper on the construction of gender, which argues that gender and gender roles are purely social constructs with no biological influence. Therefore, there may conceivably be a society in which men and women are not opposites and it is only their sexes which differ. As a physical attribute which may have little or no bearing on personality and all, I'd say that having sexes be opposite is as important as having hairstyles differ. Therefore, I do not think men and women being opposites is meaningful.

[Vazdania]

Baptist logic.

Christians must follow unquestionably.
If you do ask theological questions your not a Christian.
If your not a Christian you must be an atheist.

No room for Hebrews then?

Yes there is room for Hebrews, the above statement is QUITE rude and false.
Baptists do not follow that logic. D:<

[The Realm of God]

No room for Hebrews then?

Yes there is room for Hebrews, the above statement is QUITE rude and false.
Baptists do not follow that logic. D:<

Uhhuh.

Look at your denominations history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_B ... Convention

[Menassa]

Yes there is room for Hebrews, the above statement is QUITE rude and false.
Baptists do not follow that logic. D:<

Uhhuh.

Look at your denominations history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_B ... Convention

Yeah I do believe it was with the help of the baptists that my archnemises came into being...... hebrews for heysus.

[The Realm of God]

Uhhuh.

Look at your denominations history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_B ... Convention

Yeah I do believe it was with the help of the baptists that my archnemises came into being...... hebrews for heysus.

Yep that's true, also that's were Biblical Literalism became populer. Also Baptist churches are the most conservative (I.e theocratic) I have ever known and most Baptists I have talked to have come across as thoroughly unpleasant and anti science

For example this trial here....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial

This trial is significant in that a school teacher was arrested for teaching evolution and the fundamentalist Baptist literal interpretation of the Bible was literally put on trial. The teacher lost but the guy is a total hero and someone atheists should know more about. It helps there case.

[Giroad]

What you guys think about the uk synod's decision to keep the law that women can't become bishops?

I think it's a very bad decision.

[Reggae Magmia]

What you guys think about the uk synod's decision to keep the law that women can't become bishops?

Have we not moved out of the Dark Ages yet?