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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:32 pm

Menassa wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Ah. I don't think people would get that, either. Over the past 2,000 years the cross has lost its meaning as an execution device. It certainly has for Christians.

Emes

Uhm ... :unsure: What?

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:32 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:No. I do not worship God's son. I worship God, I rejoice in God's son and his gift that he brought with him.

Gift of?

forgiveness of Sin.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Emes

Uhm ... :unsure: What?

It means true.

Aren't you Christian?
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Ignoring all fossil evidence...

Because of a boiling flood that happened.... but let's not open that can of worms.

Ah... history according to myths...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Gift of?

forgiveness of Sin.

Why would you need Jesus to forgive you of sin?
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Gift of?

forgiveness of Sin.

But who gave us sin in the first place?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Menassa wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Uhm ... :unsure: What?

It means true.

Aren't you Christian?

Me? No, I have no religion, but I enjoy studying it.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Menassa wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:No, not really.

Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.

It still plants being created before the sun.
My views summarized.
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It is possible that some of my posts may not be completely serious.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Because of a boiling flood that happened.... but let's not open that can of worms.

Ah... history according to myths...

Well aren't you just so coy.

It's not my fault you don't believe a great turtle rose up out of the sea with the earth on its back!
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 pm

Menassa wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:No, not really.

Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.

So the bible has different definition for days?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:forgiveness of Sin.

Why would you need Jesus to forgive you of sin?

God forgives sin. Jesus is the 'catalyst' so to speak of this forgiveness.
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Menassa wrote:Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.

It still plants being created before the sun.

God created some sort of spiritual light that far surpassed the sun, however on the fourth day he removed that light because he saw how people might distort it.

What that means?

I cannot tell you.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Founded: Sep 03, 2009
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Ah... history according to myths...

Well aren't you just so coy.

It's not my fault you don't believe a great turtle rose up out of the sea with the earth on its back!

The world is on the back of four elephants who are riding a giant space turtle. Don't you know anything?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Menassa wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:It still plants being created before the sun.

God created some sort of spiritual light that far surpassed the sun, however on the fourth day he removed that light because he saw how people might distort it.

What that means?

I cannot tell you.

Of course you can't, because none of it ever happened. We know there wasn't a flood either.
My views summarized.
The Gospel According to Queen.
It is possible that some of my posts may not be completely serious.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:37 pm

Menassa wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:It still plants being created before the sun.

God created some sort of spiritual light that far surpassed the sun, however on the fourth day he removed that light because he saw how people might distort it.

What that means?

I cannot tell you.


that gets me to!!! ;0 I've always been confused as to 'spiritual light' situation.
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:37 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why would you need Jesus to forgive you of sin?

God forgives sin. Jesus is the 'catalyst' so to speak of this forgiveness.

No he's not.

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.

So the bible has different definition for days?

When it comes to God's day.

Like by Adam when God says he will die, he then lives for almost 1000 years.

That's where the theory originated from I think.

Have you ever read Genesis and the Big Bang?

Neither have I.....
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:37 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Well aren't you just so coy.

It's not my fault you don't believe a great turtle rose up out of the sea with the earth on its back!

The world is on the back of four elephants who are riding a giant space turtle. Don't you know anything?

And if we don't kill the Hogfather, the sun will be replaced by a mere ball of gas!
My views summarized.
The Gospel According to Queen.
It is possible that some of my posts may not be completely serious.

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:38 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why would you need Jesus to forgive you of sin?

God forgives sin. Jesus is the 'catalyst' so to speak of this forgiveness.

Jesus is a protien?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:38 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Well aren't you just so coy.

It's not my fault you don't believe a great turtle rose up out of the sea with the earth on its back!

The world is on the back of four elephants who are riding a giant space turtle. Don't you know anything?

Please the scorpion rose up of the ashes of the old world and stung into this one the poison of life.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:38 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:God forgives sin. Jesus is the 'catalyst' so to speak of this forgiveness.

No he's not.

Seperates wrote:So the bible has different definition for days?

When it comes to God's day.

Like by Adam when God says he will die, he then lives for almost 1000 years.

That's where the theory originated from I think.

Have you ever read Genesis and the Big Bang?

Neither have I.....

1. Yes. Matter of religion. o_o
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:38 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Seperates wrote:The world is on the back of four elephants who are riding a giant space turtle. Don't you know anything?

And if we don't kill the Hogfather, the sun will be replaced by a mere ball of gas!

Fuck that shit.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Southern Louisiane
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Postby Southern Louisiane » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.

So the bible has different definition for days?

Well it was translated so many times, if i can understand the qurans six days can also be interpreted as millions of years.....?

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:The world is on the back of four elephants who are riding a giant space turtle. Don't you know anything?

Please the scorpion rose up of the ashes of the old world and stung into this one the poison of life.

Silly. The world was made as the pearl in a giant oyster.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Farnhamia
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:God forgives sin. Jesus is the 'catalyst' so to speak of this forgiveness.

Jesus is a protien?

An enzyme.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:No he's not.


When it comes to God's day.

Like by Adam when God says he will die, he then lives for almost 1000 years.

That's where the theory originated from I think.

Have you ever read Genesis and the Big Bang?

Neither have I.....

1. Yes. Matter of religion. o_o

God forgives sin by matter of repentance.

No where do any of the prophets speak of some mystical man who will come and be a catalyst to forgiving sin.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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