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Catholic
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Mormon
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Orthodox
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Baptist
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Evangelical
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Presbyterian
24
3%
Lutheran
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23
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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:43 am

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I'm not the Christ, so I cannot say that with exactitude, but most likely, yes.

There is the chance they won't be, but why risk the chance of being condemned to Hell?

Well, you've seemed a bit less than nice but I will consider converting to Catholicism. Course there's a chance the Jews are right, maybe we should both convert to that, why risk it. After all there is no telling which religion is right.


Yes, there is. Jesus Christ was the son of God. He is where we have derived our religion.

We were given the son of God; what more could you ask for as proof Christianity is the correct religion?

Edit: And, I'm sorry that I wasn't nice. It's just that the chance of you being condemned to Hell for doing one thing just upsets me, and I can't bear to see it happen to you.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:44 am

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Menassa wrote:I think I'm going to hell in every religion. ;)

Have you accepted Jesus as your savior? or, are you Jewish (ethnic group)?

I have not (and most probably will never) accept Jesus as my savior.......
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:45 am

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:I think I'm going to hell in every religion. ;)

Have you accepted Jesus as your savior? or, are you Jewish (ethnic group)?

He's a Jew.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:46 am

Abatael wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well, you've seemed a bit less than nice but I will consider converting to Catholicism. Course there's a chance the Jews are right, maybe we should both convert to that, why risk it. After all there is no telling which religion is right.


Yes, there is. Jesus Christ was the son of God. He is where we have derived our religion.

We were given the son of God; what more could you ask for as proof Christianity is the correct religion?

I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.
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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:47 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Yes, there is. Jesus Christ was the son of God. He is where we have derived our religion.

We were given the son of God; what more could you ask for as proof Christianity is the correct religion?

I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.


There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.
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Postby Neo-Megatopia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:48 am

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Have you accepted Jesus as your savior? or, are you Jewish (ethnic group)?

I have not (and most probably will never) accept Jesus as my savior.......


It's okay Menassa, everyone is going to Hell except devout Catholics according to a certain person in this thread. :P
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:49 am

Abatael wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.


There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.

Sure.

I did. That is a lot nicer.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:50 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Yes, there is. Jesus Christ was the son of God. He is where we have derived our religion.

We were given the son of God; what more could you ask for as proof Christianity is the correct religion?

I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.

>.< well, if Islam is correct, then we go to Heaven, if Judaism is correct then we go to Heaven, If one of the Eastern Religions then we go through a few life times and then go to Heaven. ..... If one of the Pantheistic religions is correct, we also go to Heaven...if the Pagans are right...then yes we go to Heaven.......
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:50 am

Abatael wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.


There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.

So I'm supposed to believe that god sent his son here.... and he confirmed it..... it would be nice if you had another source confirming that this was true.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:50 am

Neo-Megatopia wrote:
Menassa wrote:I have not (and most probably will never) accept Jesus as my savior.......


It's okay Menassa, everyone is going to Hell except devout Catholics according to a certain person in this thread. :P


No. The penitent thief on the cross is not going to Hell, neither are the people of the Old Testament.
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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:51 am

Menassa wrote:
Abatael wrote:
There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.

So I'm supposed to believe that god sent his son here.... and he confirmed it..... it would be nice if you had another source confirming that this was true.


You mean like the Holy Bible?
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Postby Neo-Megatopia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:51 am

Vazdania wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.

>.< well, if Islam is correct, then we go to Heaven, if Judaism is correct then we go to Heaven, If one of the Eastern Religions then we go through a few life times and then go to Heaven. ..... If one of the Pantheistic religions is correct, we also go to Heaven...if the Pagans are right...then yes we go to Heaven.......


I hope to God one of dem Eastern Religions isn't right, I can only handle one lifetime.

Either way, Heaven seems like the final stop for a lot of religions.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:52 am

Abatael wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm not saying Christianity isnt right, I was saying there is a chance another religion is correct.


There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.

yes, but when that certain denomination goes through Apostacy, then it would be right and just for true believers to continue the CORRECT belief of the teachings of Christ.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:52 am

Abatael wrote:
Neo-Megatopia wrote:
It's okay Menassa, everyone is going to Hell except devout Catholics according to a certain person in this thread. :P


No. The penitent thief on the cross is not going to Hell, neither are the people of the Old Testament.

Even Sodom and Gomorrah?

Those Jews are going to heaven but the Jews today are not..... wow.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:52 am

Menassa wrote:
Abatael wrote:
No. The penitent thief on the cross is not going to Hell, neither are the people of the Old Testament.

Even Sodom and Gomorrah?

Those Jews are going to heaven but the Jews today are not..... wow.


No, people like Abraham.
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Postby Neo-Megatopia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:53 am

Menassa wrote:
Abatael wrote:
No. The penitent thief on the cross is not going to Hell, neither are the people of the Old Testament.

Even Sodom and Gomorrah?

Those Jews are going to heaven but the Jews today are not..... wow.


IT'S A MYSTERY. *waves hands about*
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:53 am

Abatael wrote:
Menassa wrote:So I'm supposed to believe that god sent his son here.... and he confirmed it..... it would be nice if you had another source confirming that this was true.


You mean like the Holy Bible?

Excluding your New Testament..... which is pretty biased.

If I was writing a book about how great a certain chef is and I was the Chef's son.... or his brother.... or he paid me.... the book would not be a great hit.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:53 am

Yo Menessa, I had a Judiasm question for you. In Judaism, do non Jews go to Heaven?
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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:54 am

Vazdania wrote:
Abatael wrote:
There's not. God confirmed it was Christianity with His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ taught us that Roman Catholicism is the right denomination.

Also, I made an edit to the post you quoted, please read it.

yes, but when that certain denomination goes through Apostacy, then it would be right and just for true believers to continue the CORRECT belief of the teachings of Christ.


Roman Catholicism is not apostasy.
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Postby The Realm of God » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:54 am

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In 1517, Martin Luther published his 95 Theses On the Power of Indulgences criticising the Church, including its practice of selling indulgences. He was building on work done by John Wycliffe and Jan Hus, and other reformers joined the cause. Church beliefs and practices under attack by Protestant reformers included purgatory, particular judgment, devotion to Mary, intercession of the saints, most of the sacraments, and authority of the Pope.

SO where exactly in the Bible does it say there is a purgatory? where does it say we needed to be devoted to Mary? where does it say we must have 7 Sacraments??/ HMMM?? O.o HMMM??? nowhere! this is why they split!


You know nothing of doctrine.

I will say this once for you: Jesus Christ made Peter the Vicar of Christ upon Earth. Through Apostolic succession, the Papacy, by divine institution, enjoys delegated authority from Jesus over the entire Church; they enjoy the Primacy of Simon Peter.

Through Apostolic succession, the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome is confirmed.

The Pope is the Vicar of Christ upon Earth. Id est, the Pope is the representative of Christ upon Earth. That means he is in the place of Christ.

That is to say, the Pope has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power, which he can always exercise unhindered.


Edit:
1. Simon Peter exercised full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church.
2. The Papacy enjoys the Primacy of Simon Peter, through Apostolic succession.

3. Therefore, the Pope exercises full, supreme, and universal power of the whole Church.


The Pope is an ecumenical patriarch who got to big for his boots, he has no divine mandate other than the apostolic succession granted to all priests in an episcopal polity.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:54 am

Abatael wrote:
Menassa wrote:Even Sodom and Gomorrah?

Those Jews are going to heaven but the Jews today are not..... wow.


No, people like Abraham.

To which I address the saifuh the end of the post.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:54 am

Menassa wrote:
Abatael wrote:
You mean like the Holy Bible?

Excluding your New Testament..... which is pretty biased.

If I was writing a book about how great a certain chef is and I was the Chef's son.... or his brother.... or he paid me.... the book would not be a great hit.


Jesus didn't write the Holy Bible.
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Postby Abatael » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:55 am

Menassa wrote:
Abatael wrote:
No, people like Abraham.

To which I address the saifuh the end of the post.


I don't know what saifuh is.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:56 am

Abatael wrote:
Menassa wrote:Excluding your New Testament..... which is pretty biased.

If I was writing a book about how great a certain chef is and I was the Chef's son.... or his brother.... or he paid me.... the book would not be a great hit.


Jesus didn't write the Holy Bible.

Right his followers wrote the New Testament.

Which is why it can't be used as a source to prove he is what he says he is.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:56 am

Abatael wrote:
Menassa wrote:To which I address the saifuh the end of the post.


I don't know what saifuh is.

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