Christian disscussion thread

[Farnhamia]

That doesn't make sense. He has a plan for all of us but we can do whatever we want?
Trying playing a game of chess where all your pieces have free will.

That'd be fun though.

Knight: fuck this shit. I'm moving vertically.

All the other pieces: *Gasps*

It's kind of breath-taking when someone realizes they can do that, huh?

[Germanic Templars]

Being baptized does not get you saved. You can only be saved by accepting Christ into your life. My church does baptize people, but it is a symbolic ritual. We do it to symbolize that a saved person has been "born again"

Exactly, babies are not born accepting Christ. Babies are born Atheists.

But Babies, especially those unborn, never had the chance to fully develop moral views, therefore, you can't say they go to hell. scratch that, poor choice of words.

That's just a thought though.

[Genivaria]

That doesn't make sense. He has a plan for all of us but we can do whatever we want?
Trying playing a game of chess where all your pieces have free will.

That'd be fun though.

Knight: fuck this shit. I'm moving vertically.

All the other pieces: *Gasps*

*Karl Marx appears* "Pawns of the world unite!*
Kings: Uh oh.

[Mavorpen]

A baby doesn't know better, a sapient human does. Since a baby is incapable of making a choice like that, it would not be fair to send it to hell for not knowing better.

Incorrect. A person who has never heard of Christianity would not believe in the Christian God, nor would a baby. Explain why one goes to heaven and the other doesn't?

[Adventus Secundus]

My mother was a nurse. She held a child exactly like that while it died on a Flight for Life helicopter. She believes that child is with God now. Your point?

Your mother would technically be wrong. The child must be baptized, because it is the passing on of the sins of humanity as well as other sins. That child would not go to heaven.

That's cute. Trying to use doctrine that you don't even believe.

[Norstal]

That doesn't make sense. He has a plan for all of us but we can do whatever we want?
Trying playing a game of chess where all your pieces have free will.

Try using a computer program running on a random allgorithum with set parameters to solve a problem.

That's not an apt comparison. A better one would be having a program with a number of threads, which are automatic processes, that allows the program to multi-task.

[Mavorpen]

Exactly, babies are not born accepting Christ. Babies are born Atheists.

But Babies, especially those unborn, never had the chance to fully develop moral views, therefore, you can't say they go to hell.

That's just a thought though.

And you also can't say they go to Heaven, because they have not chosen the "Christian moral" path.

[United States of Cascadia]

So you're contradicting yourself. Why would Jesus bother telling you to spread the gospel if people who aren't aware of Christianity get into heaven? It makes no sense.

A baby doesn't know better, a sapient human does. Since a baby is incapable of making a choice like that, it would not be fair to send it to hell for not knowing better.

What of a person that was never exposed to christianity? Again, your god knew that someone would not be exposed to it, and yet still doomed them to torment.

[Genivaria]

Your mother would technically be wrong. The child must be baptized, because it is the passing on of the sins of humanity as well as other sins. That child would not go to heaven.

That's cute. Trying to use doctrine that you don't even believe.

Belief is hardly required to know the doctrine.

[Mavorpen]

That's cute. Trying to use doctrine that you don't even believe.

That's cute, refusing to actually make an argument to back up things you actually believe.

[Farnhamia]

Your mother would technically be wrong. The child must be baptized, because it is the passing on of the sins of humanity as well as other sins. That child would not go to heaven.

That's cute. Trying to use doctrine that you don't even believe.

We can talk about it, surely. Saying the child isn't in heaven doesn't mean it's in hell. It's waiting and I'm sure, upon the adventus secundus, it will be saved.

[Nordengrund]

A baby doesn't know better, a sapient human does. Since a baby is incapable of making a choice like that, it would not be fair to send it to hell for not knowing better.

Incorrect. A person who has never heard of Christianity would not believe in the Christian God, nor would a baby. Explain why one goes to heaven and the other doesn't?

Hello, I speak English the baby doesn't know better.

[The Realm of God]

That'd be fun though.

Knight: fuck this shit. I'm moving vertically.

All the other pieces: *Gasps*

*Karl Marx appears* "Pawns of the world unite!*
Kings: Uh oh.

You have just explained the theory.

Goal-Overthrow King.
Parameters-All peices have free will.
Result-Pawns learn a philosophical arguement against the monarchy, Pawns overthrow King.
Goal is complete.

[Genivaria]

That doesn't make sense. He has a plan for all of us but we can do whatever we want?
Trying playing a game of chess where all your pieces have free will.

Try using a computer program running on a random allgorithum with set parameters to solve a problem.

......what

[The Realm of God]

Try using a computer program running on a random allgorithum with set parameters to solve a problem.

That's not an apt comparison. A better one would be having a program with a number of threads, which are automatic processes, that allows the program to multi-task.

That's better.

[Genivaria]

*Karl Marx appears* "Pawns of the world unite!*
Kings: Uh oh.

You have just explained the theory.

Goal-Overthrow King.
Parameters-All peices have free will.
Result-Pawns learn a philosophical arguement against the monarchy, Pawns overthrow King.
Goal is complete.

I feel the kings get kinda shafted in this plan. Why did the play along again?

[Avenio]

Incorrect. A person who has never heard of Christianity would not believe in the Christian God, nor would a baby. Explain why one goes to heaven and the other doesn't?

Hello, I speak English the baby doesn't know better.

Neither does the person who has never heard of Christianity. A hypothetical tribesman in Papua New Guinea who has never known anyone from outside of his tribe's valley will have never heard of Jesus or Christianity at all, let alone the existence of a world outside of his peoples' jungle.

[Mavorpen]

Incorrect. A person who has never heard of Christianity would not believe in the Christian God, nor would a baby. Explain why one goes to heaven and the other doesn't?

Hello, I speak English the baby doesn't know better.

Neither does the person who has never heard of Christianity. They do not know they are wrong and are incapable of knowing they are wrong until they hear of Christianity. Unless people are all knowing, they are susceptible to "not knowing any better."

[Helcasia]

Being baptized does not get you saved. You can only be saved by accepting Christ into your life. My church does baptize people, but it is a symbolic ritual. We do it to symbolize that a saved person has been "born again"

But a baby is not a sapient being yet, and hence is not capable of "accepting Christ", and since your god knows this, he created that being knowing that it would be tormented for eternity.

If by "tormented for eternity" you mean hell I have news for thee: There is no "Hell" in the bible. In the bible, the punishment for sin is death. Following God saves you from death and provides you with eternal life in heaven. By death, I mean the death of your soul, not your body. Your body can't won't live forever.
And don't try and tell me otherwise with a false translation which uses the word "hell".

[Prussia-Steinbach]

A fellow Coloradan! Opa!

Another person here in Colorado!

[United States of Cascadia]

But a baby is not a sapient being yet, and hence is not capable of "accepting Christ", and since your god knows this, he created that being knowing that it would be tormented for eternity.

If by "tormented for eternity" you mean hell I have news for thee: There is no "Hell" in the bible. In the bible, the punishment for sin is death. Following God saves you from death and provides you with eternal life in heaven. By death, I mean the death of your soul, not your body. Your body can't won't live forever.
And don't try and tell me otherwise with a false translation which uses the word "hell".

I know. Hell is an amalgamation of a variety of modern concepts as I stated a few pages back. I'm referring to the fundies hell.

[Helcasia]

If by "tormented for eternity" you mean hell I have news for thee: There is no "Hell" in the bible. In the bible, the punishment for sin is death. Following God saves you from death and provides you with eternal life in heaven. By death, I mean the death of your soul, not your body. Your body can't won't live forever.
And don't try and tell me otherwise with a false translation which uses the word "hell".

I know. Hell is an amalgamation of a variety of modern concepts as I stated a few pages back. I'm referring to the fundies hell.

Would it not be better to let them know that they are heretics?

[United States of Cascadia]

I know. Hell is an amalgamation of a variety of modern concepts as I stated a few pages back. I'm referring to the fundies hell.

Would it not be better to let them know that they are heretics?

Would they believe that their religion has borrowed so heavily from what they would call pagan beliefs?
EDIT:
Fixed a spelling mistake...

[The Realm of God]

So then, this is a Fundie Q&A thread at the moment.

What do you think of the Fundiementalist Evangelical movement?

I think it ha had a huge negitive effect on Christianity and it's realtionship with outsiders and each other.

[Genivaria]

So then, this is a Fundie Q&A thread at the moment.

What do you think of the Fundiementalist Evangelical movement?

I think it ha had a huge negitive effect on Christianity and it's realtionship with outsiders and each other.

Its divisive for Christians which is good news for Atheists.