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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:53 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:What is your opinion on Chick- Fil- A's view on homosexuality?

"Oh, you're not going to buy anything from Chick-fil-A because their president believes homosexuality is wrong?
Please, tell me more about how you're going to stop buying gasoline because the owner of OPEC has homosexuals executed."


I am against homosexuality, but even if the restaurant support homosexuality, I would still eat there.
We just ate there earlier today as protest against the gay boycott.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:55 am

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Oh, you're not going to buy anything from Chick-fil-A because their president believes homosexuality is wrong?
Please, tell me more about how you're going to stop buying gasoline because the owner of OPEC has homosexuals executed."

If I had room in my signature, I would quote that.

Put it in Nightkill's "Awesome NS Quotes" thread, then. You can start a collection in a post, and simply put a link to it in your sig.
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Postby Libertas Liber » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:55 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Oh, you're not going to buy anything from Chick-fil-A because their president believes homosexuality is wrong?
Please, tell me more about how you're going to stop buying gasoline because the owner of OPEC has homosexuals executed."


I am against homosexuality, but even if the restaurant support homosexuality, I would still eat there.
We just ate there earlier today as protest against the gay boycott.


Why even have a boycott? It's a restaurant! Just because Dan Cathy says Chick-fil-a supports traditional marriage doesn't mean homosexuals cannot eat there or that it's outlawed.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:57 am

Nordengrund wrote:...even if the restaurant support homosexuality, I would still eat there.

Agreed. I honestly do like Chick-fil-A.
Nordengrund wrote:We just ate there earlier today as protest against the gay boycott.

Lucky! They were all over in Virginia, where I used to live, but there are none anywhere near me in Colorado... It makes me sad. :(
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:58 am

Libertas Liber wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
I am against homosexuality, but even if the restaurant support homosexuality, I would still eat there.
We just ate there earlier today as protest against the gay boycott.


Why even have a boycott? It's a restaurant! Just because Dan Cathy says Chick-fil-a supports traditional marriage doesn't mean homosexuals cannot eat there or that it's outlawed.

Exactly. Chick-fil-A still hires homosexuals, and still serves them - what's the problem?
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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:06 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Libertas Liber wrote:
Why even have a boycott? It's a restaurant! Just because Dan Cathy says Chick-fil-a supports traditional marriage doesn't mean homosexuals cannot eat there or that it's outlawed.

Exactly. Chick-fil-A still hires homosexuals, and still serves them - what's the problem?


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Postby Adventus Secundus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:35 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:...even if the restaurant support homosexuality, I would still eat there.

Agreed. I honestly do like Chick-fil-A.
Nordengrund wrote:We just ate there earlier today as protest against the gay boycott.

Lucky! They were all over in Virginia, where I used to live, but there are none anywhere near me in Colorado... It makes me sad. :(


A fellow Coloradan! Opa! :) :hug:
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Postby Cill Airne » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:45 am

Adventus Secundus wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Agreed. I honestly do like Chick-fil-A.

Lucky! They were all over in Virginia, where I used to live, but there are none anywhere near me in Colorado... It makes me sad. :(


A fellow Coloradan! Opa! :) :hug:

Another person here in Colorado!
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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:46 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Adventus Secundus wrote:
A fellow Coloradan! Opa! :) :hug:

Another person here in Colorado!


I'm from South Carolina, but I have visited Colorado.
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Postby Cill Airne » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:47 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Another person here in Colorado!


I'm from South Carolina, but I have visited Colorado.

I'm from Ireland, but I've lived in Colorado for four years.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:47 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Nidaria wrote:If I had room in my signature, I would quote that.

Put it in Nightkill's "Awesome NS Quotes" thread, then. You can start a collection in a post, and simply put a link to it in your sig.


Please don't. That was a really ignorant post.
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Postby Zenarchy-Horrorsex » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:49 am

Discordian reporting in, and I have an honest question:

I've often asked many of my Christian friends why they don't have to follow any of the laws about sacrifice, not eating pork, etc. of the Old Testament, and they say it's because the Covenant changed when Jesus came or something.

Can someone explain that concept to me, and also, how do you know it changed? Is it stated in the Bible?

Please and thank you :)
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Postby Adventus Secundus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:58 am

"9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven."

Acts 10:9-16
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Postby Zenarchy-Horrorsex » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:08 am

Adventus Secundus wrote:"9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven."

Acts 10:9-16

That may answer the small part about eating, but I'm more wondering about sacrifice, no getting tatoos, no marrying unless she's a virgin. How do you know the Covenant changed or whatever?
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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:14 am

Zenarchy-Horrorsex wrote:
Adventus Secundus wrote:"9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven."

Acts 10:9-16

That may answer the small part about eating, but I'm more wondering about sacrifice, no getting tatoos, no marrying unless she's a virgin. How do you know the Covenant changed or whatever?


Well, Romans Chapter 14 says no food in or of itself is unclean to eat.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Zenarchy-Horrorsex » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:20 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Zenarchy-Horrorsex wrote:That may answer the small part about eating, but I'm more wondering about sacrifice, no getting tatoos, no marrying unless she's a virgin. How do you know the Covenant changed or whatever?


Well, Romans Chapter 14 says no food in or of itself is unclean to eat.

Okay, I get the food thing already, but no one has answered about why you don't follow the laws of the Old Testament, or why the Covenant changed, or how you know it did,
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Postby Icoservmot » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:39 am

1: So, because of one hypothetical scenario, all humans are evil?
2: 0.2% of american prisoners were atheists as of 1997. Ketchup Under 10% of the american population is atheist. [2]


I was simply using the hypothetical scenario as an example of how mankind is innately evil because situations like the one I presented happen frequently around the world in developed nations, or at least in America.
Thanks for the reference btw.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:40 am

Icoservmot wrote:
1: So, because of one hypothetical scenario, all humans are evil?
2: 0.2% of american prisoners were atheists as of 1997. Ketchup Under 10% of the american population is atheist. [2]


I was simply using the hypothetical scenario as an example of how mankind is innately evil because situations like the one I presented happen frequently around the world in developed nations, or at least in America.
Thanks for the reference btw.


I didn't even bother reading it. A hypothetical scenario proves nothing about human nature.
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Postby Jovian Islands » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:42 am

Catholic.

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Postby Adventus Secundus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:02 pm

Zenarchy-Horrorsex wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Well, Romans Chapter 14 says no food in or of itself is unclean to eat.

Okay, I get the food thing already, but no one has answered about why you don't follow the laws of the Old Testament, or why the Covenant changed, or how you know it did,


All righty:

"Do you not know, brothers and sisters —for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7: 1-6 NIV
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To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, I would choose to live as if God existed even if I knew He didn't. Either I am on the side of Life Victorious, or I am making a defiant but hopeless last stand against the all-consuming abyss. It does not really matter which it is. I am doing the right thing either way.

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Postby FreeLaannds » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:16 pm

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Postby Zenarchy-Horrorsex » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Adventus Secundus wrote:
Zenarchy-Horrorsex wrote:Okay, I get the food thing already, but no one has answered about why you don't follow the laws of the Old Testament, or why the Covenant changed, or how you know it did,


All righty:

"Do you not know, brothers and sisters —for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7: 1-6 NIV

Thanks, many thanks.
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Postby Adventus Secundus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:23 pm

No problem. Honest questions deserve straightforward answers
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Constantinopolis wrote:
To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, I would choose to live as if God existed even if I knew He didn't. Either I am on the side of Life Victorious, or I am making a defiant but hopeless last stand against the all-consuming abyss. It does not really matter which it is. I am doing the right thing either way.

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Postby United States of Cascadia » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:56 pm

Adventus Secundus wrote:
Zenarchy-Horrorsex wrote:Okay, I get the food thing already, but no one has answered about why you don't follow the laws of the Old Testament, or why the Covenant changed, or how you know it did,


All righty:

"Do you not know, brothers and sisters —for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7: 1-6 NIV


Are the Ten Commandments not part of the Law as well? What makes them so special as to be continued when all the rest is not?
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Postby Adventus Secundus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:59 pm

The Ten Commandments are a part of the law...and they have been fulfilled in Christ. Which is why we don't stone people for breaking them anymore. They are still a very useful and helpful guide for living a God-pleasing life, though, which is why they're on posters in nearly every Sunday School.
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To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, I would choose to live as if God existed even if I knew He didn't. Either I am on the side of Life Victorious, or I am making a defiant but hopeless last stand against the all-consuming abyss. It does not really matter which it is. I am doing the right thing either way.

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