Obama or Romney?

[TaQud]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

That was off topic. Who said anything about a nuclear holocaust

[Sailsia]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

...what are you talking about? I'm sorry, but I've come to expect this kind of talk from foreigners who don't pay close enough attention to American elections. Do you really think Romney would do that? The man will be exactly the same as Obama. If Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't nuke anyone, why would Romney?

[Archliva]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

...what are you talking about? I'm sorry, but I've come to expect this kind of talk from foreigners who don't pay close enough attention to American elections. Do you really think Romney would do that? The man will be exactly the same as Obama. If Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't nuke anyone, why would Romney?

No. He won't be the same as Obama. He would be worse than him.

[Teaz Ceriously Independent]

obama duh you stupid

[Sailsia]

Romney will do the same thing as Obama. There isn't going to be a president who just "assumes" the fascist powers which have been rigged up. No, more than likely, some day (its bound to happen within the next few decades) there will be some form of civil unrest. That's when you'll see these powers used. But until then, no one will want to rock the boat and risk the American people actually realizing the executive branch has authoritarian powers which they were not intended to have.

No, he will be worse.

He's going to nominate young conservative judges and would have the chance to replace Gingsburg and Breyer on the Supreme Court which would effectivley overturn Roe v. Wade, Miranda v. Arizona, Mapp v. Ohio and countless others.

If you think Romney would be the same as Obama, you need to reevaluate your analysis of the two.

As opposed to Obama, whos financial advisers make up the starting line up for Goldman Sachs? Do you think the Republicans will let him appoint liberal judges anyway? Obama will cave, and put "moderate" judges on the supreme court, who will be blow in whatever way the political wind blows.

[Salandriagado]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

...what are you talking about? I'm sorry, but I've come to expect this kind of talk from foreigners who don't pay close enough attention to American elections. Do you really think Romney would do that? The man will be exactly the same as Obama. If Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't nuke anyone, why would Romney?

Because Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't get elected out of the current republican party. None of them were involved in primary debates where the entire field was very vocally in favour of nuking Iran?

[Chidume Legacy]

its deferential Obama. having him two terms = a full African american president,and America needs that. And who is this Romeny dude? Ever heard of team Peeta, or Team Jacob? welll Iam Team Obama

[Archliva]

No, he will be worse.

He's going to nominate young conservative judges and would have the chance to replace Gingsburg and Breyer on the Supreme Court which would effectivley overturn Roe v. Wade, Miranda v. Arizona, Mapp v. Ohio and countless others.

If you think Romney would be the same as Obama, you need to reevaluate your analysis of the two.

As opposed to Obama, whos financial advisers make up the starting line up for Goldman Sachs? Do you think the Republicans will let him appoint liberal judges anyway? Obama will cave, and put "moderate" judges on the supreme court, who will be blow in whatever way the political wind blows.

Yes I do since every political party knows that if you stop a presidents nomination (providing the person is non controversial like Robert Bork or Clarence Thomas), the next time your party gets the presidency and the other party is in the majority in the Senate, they will give you the same treatment.

And the former is irrelevant to the point. Romney being the same as Obama is a wrong assumption as Romney would nominate Scalia and Roberts clones to the court. That makes the would be moderates that you paint would go in the court look like far left liberals compared to what Romney would do.

You can keep up with "Romney would be the same as Obama" when in fact they would not. One would go after rights that the Supreme Court has given to the people in the last half century.

[Sailsia]

...what are you talking about? I'm sorry, but I've come to expect this kind of talk from foreigners who don't pay close enough attention to American elections. Do you really think Romney would do that? The man will be exactly the same as Obama. If Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't nuke anyone, why would Romney?

Because Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't get elected out of the current republican party. None of them were involved in primary debates where the entire field was very vocally in favour of nuking Iran?

What are you smoking, bud? How does the other people effect Romney? Notice how Romney is the one who won, and the super crazies slowly died off. And, are you really saying a vast majority of current republicans weren't around under Bush? You need to learn something very very very important about politicans:

What they say is irrelevant. They will do whatever they want. Even if someone says they would nuke Iran, it is highly unlikely they actually WILL.

[Anthonlandesia]

I don't really support either of them. I disagree with Obama on social issues but agree with him on economic issues and I agree with Romney on social issues but disagree with him on economic issues.

[Cydonia Colony]

I'm voting for Obama, and it wasn't a hard decision to make. I also live in one of the much-talked-about swing states.

[Wamitoria]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

That was off topic. Who said anything about a nuclear holocaust

Well, he may be talking about the Romney's possible renewal of the cold war should he become president.

[Acroticus]

Bush ended stem cell research, began two wars while lowering taxes, fought for a law to make gay marriage illegal, and spent billions of dollars on a "so strings attached" banking bailout. Obama restarted stem cell research, fights for raising taxes, ended a war, and has began the withdraw from Afghanistan, ended don't ask don't tell, which was honestly embarrassing for a modern nation, and saved GM with a bailout that was somewhat paid back. And Obama fought against things like SOPA. A Republican Congress will make every administration look like Bush.

Despite what many people say, Congress has more power than the President. Congress must be changed, both Democrats and Republicans, if you want real change. Until then, many Presidents will look similar because it is Congress running the show.

I've heard all this before. Obama, if you didn't notice, had a super majority for a long time. He is not fighting to raise taxes on the top earners (he is saying he will fight for it, but he knows it wont ever happen) he never ended the war in iraq. the pull out date was something bush signed off on. in actuality, the Obama administration tried to get the iraqis to let us stay longer. and no, surging more troops, failing, and taking 3 or 4 years to pull out of a country is not an achievement i would brag about. as for sopa/pipa, when did he actually take action against it? never. and the auto bail outs would have happened under any president, do you know how huge their lobby is? Stem cell research is not a major social issue, so I don't know what is so great about him restoring it. Meanwhile, he defends the DOMA, and let's not forget the crowning jewel of Obama's hypocrasy:
>Says he won't prosecute Marijuana dispensaries in states where medical marijuana is legal
>Prosecutes dispensaries in states where medical marijuana is legal

Obama introduced the Buffet Rule to Congress; I don't think there's much more he can do (he can't technically even introduce anything to Congress, but has to have someone do it for hims so...). Ok, Bush signed off on getting troops out of Iraq three years after he was out of office: that would be like Obama signing a law that says that in 2017, the budget must be balanced! Oh and as for SOPA/PIPA, he was defeated by Congress and could face losing a political battle against the army so he had to give in, but then he declared he would not use his new powers. And I'm not saying the bailout of GM is a good thing, but the way he bailed out GM was better than Bush's "no strings attached" bailout of the banks. And Obama had a super majority for several years BUT he faced a major block in the Senate. In 2009, 70% of legislation brought to the Senate floor was filibustered by Republicans....

[Salandriagado]

Because Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't get elected out of the current republican party. None of them were involved in primary debates where the entire field was very vocally in favour of nuking Iran?

What are you smoking, bud? How does the other people effect Romney? Notice how Romney is the one who won, and the super crazies slowly died off. And, are you really saying a vast majority of current republicans weren't around under Bush? You need to learn something very very very important about politicans:

What they say is irrelevant. They will do whatever they want. Even if someone says they would nuke Iran, it is highly unlikely they actually WILL.

Notice that Romney was a part of that debate, and wasn't exactly speaking out against war. Do you really think that when a congress controlled by said crazies put a declaration of war in front of him, he wouldn't sign it?

[Bordurian]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

...what are you talking about? I'm sorry, but I've come to expect this kind of talk from foreigners who don't pay close enough attention to American elections. Do you really think Romney would do that? The man will be exactly the same as Obama. If Bush, Bush Jr., Johnson, Eisenhower, and Nixon didn't nuke anyone, why would Romney?

I'm not saying that Romney would nuke anyone. I wasn't saying that literally. Obama however has much better negotiating skills. If another economic crisis was to break out then Obama would be a much better choice.

[TaQud]

:palm: its deferential Obama. having him two terms = a full African american president,and America needs that. And who is this Romeny dude? Ever heard of team Peeta, or Team Jacob? welll Iam Team Obama

Obama is bi-racial

[Digitia Klosetia]

Obama all the way. I realise I'm not making that decision based on any facts, rather just the emotional reaction I get when viewing these two men and hearing them speak. Obama could fire his whole PR team and just spend all his time biting babies and he still couldn't creep me out more than that detestable, scaly mormon horrorshow. Whenever I see footage of Romney speaking in public I'm expecting his toupee to fall off and reveal Voldemort or something.

[Spetsnaz GRU]

i like Obama simply because Osama Bin Laden was killed well he was president

[Krownsinburg]

Obama? Why would I vote for some Muslim foreigner who can't run a country for shit?

Obvious troll is obvious.

Look, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Muslims... but last I checked, we Christians aren't suicidially bombing innocent civilians for our religious beliefs.

Oh wait, that's not the Muslims, that's the Arabs. My mistake.

[Krownsinburg]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

If us Americans don't want to be blown up/invaded by China, then DON'T vote for Obama.

Inb4ObamaPlansToGetRidOf50%OfAmerica'sNuclearArsenal.

Course, I'm not saying vote for Romney either.

[Zanzibarnia]

Look, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Muslims... but last I checked, we Christians aren't suicidially bombing innocent civilians for our religious beliefs.

Oh wait, that's not the Muslims, that's the Arabs. My mistake.

Among many, many more, I'm sure.

[Naughtania]

Obama? Why would I vote for some Muslim foreigner who can't run a country for shit?

In any case, Obama is a Christian American from Hawaii, who has Kenyan parentage on one side. He is not a Muslim foreigner

[Salandriagado]

If you Americans want to avoid Nuclear Holocaust then vote Obama.

If us Americans don't want to be blown up/invaded by China, then DON'T vote for Obama.

Inb4ObamaPlansToGetRidOf50%OfAmerica'sNuclearArsenal.

Course, I'm not saying vote for Romney either.

You've made four (factual) claims so far in this thread. You are yet to make one that is correct. I would recommend addressing this issue.

[Krownsinburg]

Obama? Why would I vote for some Muslim foreigner who can't run a country for shit?

In any case, Obama is a Christian American from Hawaii, who has Kenyan parentage on one side. He is not a Muslim foreigner

You poor delusioned fool...

They've not shown you the light yet have they? Damn them.

@Salandriagado

Sorry, I mean't 80%.

[New England and The Maritimes]

That was off topic. Who said anything about a nuclear holocaust

Well, he may be talking about the Romney's possible renewal of the cold war should he become president.

When it comes down to it, Romney's team for "long-term planning" as regards foreign policy have their heads stuffed up their asses even farther than the Pentagon's chiefs of staff. That's quite the accomplishment, but it's not something we need. Honestly, Obama needs to be tougher with the Pentagon than he has been, and the same ought to be said for Clinton.

Letting them run amok is what brought us to 9/11 in a very real sense, and not reigning them in and dictating policy to them as the real civilian owners of their department has been devastating for our budget and for the world.