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Who do you support for president of the USA in 2012?

I support Mitt Romney
250
21%
I support neither
341
28%
I support Barrack Obama
624
51%
 
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Des Moines
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Postby Des Moines » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:26 pm

Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:28 pm

IshCong wrote:
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1. Detroit has been suffering since the early 80s. Coincidentally, this is when GM started moving its factories to Mexico(while retaining its same generous tax breaks,) thanks to Reagan's union busting and the administration just generally being in bed with corporations on a level completely unseen before.


Wait, you are saying that removing US unions caused GM to move to Mexico?
Elaborate please?


Crippling a union's ability to strike, which is what started in the late 70s early 80s, has the effect of management doing whatever the fuck they want. They could shut down or relocate and unions couldn't organize and perform any effective action to deter this thanks to no longer having power that in any way approaches parity.
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Postby New Teccon Olympian Enclave » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:29 pm

Romney

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:29 pm

Inter de Milano wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Yes, but all three of those would overshadow him. People would be voting for the VP candidate.

Also, never get excited about one poll. It's about the trend, not the individual results.


Several other polls indicate the gap closing. Pew Research has it at 45-49 Obama, statistically the same, CBS has it as a tie, and Rasmussen and Gallup have Romney at +1 and +5 respectively. I am sensing a change in the wind.

I wouldn't. There was a while back in late March when Obama was having approval ratings around 41% supposedly because of gas prices.

The trend didn't carry.

Call back next month if Romney has anything more than a statistical tie.
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Vadia
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Postby Vadia » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:44 pm

Woah Woah Woah........The world doesn't hate us. It's just that the people who hate us have megaphones. In fact the world as a whole doesn't hate us , but we do hate ourselves. You ask someone of the street and they think that the world hates us. They think that we did horrible things and need to stop them now. However were they all that horrrible and how much of the world truly hates us?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/views_on_countriesregions_bt/680.php

See for yourself and decide what they think.
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:46 pm

Vadia wrote:Woah Woah Woah........The world doesn't hate us. It's just that the people who hate us have megaphones. In fact the world as a whole doesn't hate us , but we do hate ourselves. You ask someone of the street and they think that the world hates us. They think that we did horrible things and need to stop them now. However were they all that horrrible and how much of the world truly hates us?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/views_on_countriesregions_bt/680.php

See for yourself and decide what they think.

Most of the "everyone else hates us" mentality is a holdover from the Bush administration, when the world, indeed, did hate us.
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Postby Warriors United » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:57 pm

Des Moines wrote:Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.

Politicians in general have no clue about economics. They do not know what it is like in the real world because they live in a different one. Romney has my vote though.

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Postby WhoseyWhatzIt » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:07 pm

Obama. Wish there was another Democratic candidate, but alas, there is not; Romney is just too indecisive.

P.S. I know everyone and their grandma loves Ron Paul, but he does not run to win the election; he runs to get his message across, which he does every 4 years very well
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:59 pm

Warriors United wrote:
Des Moines wrote:Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.

Politicians in general have no clue about economics. They do not know what it is like in the real world because they live in a different one. Romney has my vote though.

The man with 2 Cadillacs and his money in a tax shelter is an expert on the "real world"? That's news to me.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:07 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Nidaria wrote:And Obama is a socialist[1], homosexual[2], affirmative action[3], pro-abortionist[4] pig. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.


1) Not true, nice if it were though
2) Not true, irrelevant
3) Meh, it's an improvement over being a racist
4) Good

You forgot to mention Obama is married.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:19 pm

Divair wrote:The USA was funding Al-Qaeda and the Taliban since the 60's and 70's to fight the Soviets.

The Soviets had nothing to do with Afghanistan until they invaded in 1979. The USA began funding mujahideen (fighters from Afghanistan) in the mid-80's, but al-Qaeda (fighters from elsewhere in the Muslim world, who went to Afghanistan but did not get along well with many of the native Afghan groups) was funded by bin-Laden's personal fortune, and he always hated the US (the false claim that "US funded al-Qaeda" seems to be hard to kill). Some of the mujahideen eventually became part of the Taliban, although the "Taliban" as a group did not exist until after the Soviets had left and the US had lost interest (the Pakistani intelligence agencies are usually credited with organizing them); other mujahideen became part of the Northern Alliance, the Taliban's arch-enemies, or other groups.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:51 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Divair wrote:The USA was funding Al-Qaeda and the Taliban since the 60's and 70's to fight the Soviets.

The Soviets had nothing to do with Afghanistan until they invaded in 1979. The USA began funding mujahideen (fighters from Afghanistan) in the mid-80's, but al-Qaeda (fighters from elsewhere in the Muslim world, who went to Afghanistan but did not get along well with many of the native Afghan groups) was funded by bin-Laden's personal fortune, and he always hated the US (the false claim that "US funded al-Qaeda" seems to be hard to kill). Some of the mujahideen eventually became part of the Taliban, although the "Taliban" as a group did not exist until after the Soviets had left and the US had lost interest (the Pakistani intelligence agencies are usually credited with organizing them); other mujahideen became part of the Northern Alliance, the Taliban's arch-enemies, or other groups.


Osama also had most of the warlords who accepted US Aid murdered, and stole what was left of that assistance in the early 90s. In a real way, the US allowed Al Qaida to become A Thing, but it's false to say the US did it directly.
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Vetalia
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:45 pm

Des Moines wrote:Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.


And Obama does...
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:47 pm

Both are equally terrible, although atleast Obama has policies and isn't a party drone like Romney who changes his position to win popular support.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:47 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Des Moines wrote:Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.


And Obama does...

Yeah. His mom was on food stamps when he was a kid.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:49 pm

Wamitoria wrote:Yeah. His mom was on food stamps when he was a kid.


And now he's rich. What makes you think he gives a shit about the middle class now that he has money? God knows he hasn't done anything to aid them since he took office...his economic policies have continued to penalize responsible savers and drive inflation through the roof.

If anything, the new money is even more detrimental to the middle class than old money.
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Postby Inky Noodles » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Romney.
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Postby New Libete » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:53 pm

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New Libete wrote:I don't like any of them. They're all politics-as-usual scumbags. They say they'll do stuff and then don't, or later refute what they said. Romney is confusing. He was a completely different person 4 years ago. Obama has been seen not saluting the flag while the National Anthem was being played and the Pledge of Allegiance being said. (Before you attack my credibility, this was seen by one of my brother's friends while she was on tour in Iraq. Several people in her barracks got pictures of his idiocy.) I can forgive a lot, but blatant disregard for our National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance by our LEADER? Not gonna happen.

That's all you got? You'll have to provide a source for Obama disregarding the anthem and the pledge. And your brother's friends are not sources.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that while expressing an opinion I had to provide sources. You don't have to believe me. What makes a source anyway? The number of people who believe it? The number of people who see it? Sorry. I saw pictures, and that's enough for me. They don't have to come from a mainstream newspaper for me to believe them. And no I don't have access to these pictures, so don't ask.
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Postby Inky Noodles » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:56 pm

Des Moines wrote:Obama all the way. Mitt Romney doesn't know what it's like to be a true middle class American. He's been rich his whole life so why should he decide what's best for the 99% of Americans that are middle or lower class income. Romney also brings to much religion into the government like every other republican president or canidate.

Actually... you aren't really the 99%.
See, some of us don't support what you believe in.
It would make no sense to call a vast amount of Americans who disagree with the "99%" part of the "99%".
So think about how many people disagree with you before you go spread your "solidarity forever" and "We are the 99%" bullshit.
I'm out.
Oh yeah, and Obama is technically part of the little "1%" in which you speak of, who are wealthy.
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Belligerent Alcoholics wrote:Are you OK? :eyebrow:

It's a person called Inky Noodles in a thread that is not exactly known for its sanity in general. Do the math, beerguzzler.


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Postby Nidaria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
New Libete wrote:I don't like any of them. They're all politics-as-usual scumbags. They say they'll do stuff and then don't, or later refute what they said. Romney is confusing. He was a completely different person 4 years ago. Obama has been seen not saluting the flag while the National Anthem was being played and the Pledge of Allegiance being said. (Before you attack my credibility, this was seen by one of my brother's friends while she was on tour in Iraq. Several people in her barracks got pictures of his idiocy.) I can forgive a lot, but blatant disregard for our National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance by our LEADER? Not gonna happen.

That's all you got? You'll have to provide a source for Obama disregarding the anthem and the pledge. And your brother's friends are not sources.

There is a video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Hai7ZcF6U.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:05 pm

New Libete wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's all you got? You'll have to provide a source for Obama disregarding the anthem and the pledge. And your brother's friends are not sources.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that while expressing an opinion I had to provide sources. You don't have to believe me. What makes a source anyway? The number of people who believe it? The number of people who see it? Sorry. I saw pictures, and that's enough for me. They don't have to come from a mainstream newspaper for me to believe them. And no I don't have access to these pictures, so don't ask.

Except you didn't just state an opinion. When you make a statement like that, you need a source. Something to show us where your information comes from. Hear-say doesn't cut it here.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:24 pm

New Libete wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's all you got? You'll have to provide a source for Obama disregarding the anthem and the pledge. And your brother's friends are not sources.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that while expressing an opinion I had to provide sources. You don't have to believe me. What makes a source anyway? The number of people who believe it? The number of people who see it? Sorry. I saw pictures, and that's enough for me. They don't have to come from a mainstream newspaper for me to believe them. And no I don't have access to these pictures, so don't ask.

You said that the President "has been seen not saluting the flag while the National Anthem was being played and the Pledge of Allegiance being said." That's a positive statement, so I asked you for sources.
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Postby Land of the Golden Dawn » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:35 pm

If I could magically put someone in office, it would be David Duke. But the only people that I have to choose from are: Obongo, Mittens and Ron Paul. In the end, I choose NONE.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:38 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:That's all you got? You'll have to provide a source for Obama disregarding the anthem and the pledge. And your brother's friends are not sources.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that while expressing an opinion I had to provide sources. You don't have to believe me. What makes a source anyway? The number of people who believe it? The number of people who see it? Sorry. I saw pictures, and that's enough for me. They don't have to come from a mainstream newspaper for me to believe them. And no I don't have access to these pictures, so don't ask.

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Postby Ekundu » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:39 pm

Obama, because I cannot support the party of right wing social engineering, the only way I could feasably vote Republican is is the Evangelical/Conservative movement died a horrible death.

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