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Who do you support for president of the USA in 2012?

I support Mitt Romney
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21%
I support neither
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28%
I support Barrack Obama
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Postby Dagnia » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:02 pm

Definitely Romney. It will be one of the rare the times I vote for one of the major parties, but Obama has been such a disaster I'll have to hold my nose and do it. Of the past presidents in my lifetime, 4 out of the 5 have "inherited" recessions from the previous ones (only Bush I got a good economy from his predecessor, the rest entered their presidency in one) and only Obama has continued to blame his failures on his predecessor into his last year. Bush was horrible in several respects, but I can't remember him mentioning Clinton or the dot-com bubble created under him once (and if Romney wins, the economy does not markedly improve and Romney breathes a word about Obama being responsible, the Democrat will get my vote in 2016).
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:03 pm

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And Obama is a socialist, homosexual, affirmative action, pro-abortionist pig. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.


Entirely untrue, but those are all good things.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:06 pm

Dagnia wrote:Definitely Romney. It will be one of the rare the times I vote for one of the major parties, but Obama has been such a disaster I'll have to hold my nose and do it. Of the past presidents in my lifetime, 4 out of the 5 have "inherited" recessions from the previous ones (only Bush I got a good economy from his predecessor, the rest entered their presidency in one) and only Obama has continued to blame his failures on his predecessor into his last year. Bush was horrible in several respects, but I can't remember him mentioning Clinton or the dot-com bubble created under him once (and if Romney wins, the economy does not markedly improve and Romney breathes a word about Obama being responsible, the Democrat will get my vote in 2016).



http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... alecon.pdf

He's blaming it on Bush because it was because of Bush. Besides, the economy has been improving, despite a nearly unworkable congress.

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Postby Warriors United » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:11 pm

Dagnia wrote:Definitely Romney. It will be one of the rare the times I vote for one of the major parties, but Obama has been such a disaster I'll have to hold my nose and do it. Of the past presidents in my lifetime, 4 out of the 5 have "inherited" recessions from the previous ones (only Bush I got a good economy from his predecessor, the rest entered their presidency in one) and only Obama has continued to blame his failures on his predecessor into his last year. Bush was horrible in several respects, but I can't remember him mentioning Clinton or the dot-com bubble created under him once (and if Romney wins, the economy does not markedly improve and Romney breathes a word about Obama being responsible, the Democrat will get my vote in 2016).

True about Obama and his administration blaming Bush for everything. I would not say Bush was horrible, but...yeah Romney better not make excuses either. It seems that is all politicians know how to do sadly. Still, I would not vote for a Democrat.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:14 pm

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Postby Warriors United » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:15 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Dagnia wrote:Definitely Romney. It will be one of the rare the times I vote for one of the major parties, but Obama has been such a disaster I'll have to hold my nose and do it. Of the past presidents in my lifetime, 4 out of the 5 have "inherited" recessions from the previous ones (only Bush I got a good economy from his predecessor, the rest entered their presidency in one) and only Obama has continued to blame his failures on his predecessor into his last year. Bush was horrible in several respects, but I can't remember him mentioning Clinton or the dot-com bubble created under him once (and if Romney wins, the economy does not markedly improve and Romney breathes a word about Obama being responsible, the Democrat will get my vote in 2016).



http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... alecon.pdf

He's blaming it on Bush because it was because of Bush. Besides, the economy has been improving, despite a nearly unworkable congress.

Obama raised this nation's debt in three years more than Bush did in eight. I am sick of people still pulling the "its Bush's fault" card. Bush has not been in office since 2008. He was not great. But give the guy a break. At least he did not go on apology tours around the world like Obama. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU! >:(

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Postby Divair » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:17 pm

Warriors United wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... alecon.pdf

He's blaming it on Bush because it was because of Bush. Besides, the economy has been improving, despite a nearly unworkable congress.

Obama raised this nation's debt in three years more than Bush did in eight. I am sick of people still pulling the "its Bush's fault" card. Bush has not been in office since 2008. He was not great. But give the guy a break. At least he did not go on apology tours around the world like Obama. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU! >:(

Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:19 pm

Warriors United wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... alecon.pdf

He's blaming it on Bush because it was because of Bush. Besides, the economy has been improving, despite a nearly unworkable congress.

Obama raised this nation's debt in three years more than Bush did in eight. I am sick of people still pulling the "its Bush's fault" card. Bush has not been in office since 2008. He was not great. But give the guy a break. At least he did not go on apology tours around the world like Obama. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU! >:(

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Source, and a hell of a lot more info:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/documents/20120229_essentialecon.pdf

Also, we had things to apologize for, such as treating international relations as a dickwaving contest.
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Postby Warriors United » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:24 pm

Divair wrote:
Warriors United wrote:Obama raised this nation's debt in three years more than Bush did in eight. I am sick of people still pulling the "its Bush's fault" card. Bush has not been in office since 2008. He was not great. But give the guy a break. At least he did not go on apology tours around the world like Obama. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU! >:(

Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

UNNECESSARY?!?YOU HIT US, WE HIT YOU BACK HARDER! Nearly three thousand people were killed. And I think we would be better off leaving the rest of the world to itself. See how well it does. We can stop shipping food and supplies to the countries that hate us. We help our allies and thats it.
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Postby Transmaris » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:27 pm

Not voting the the US, but Obama if I could.

He may not be perfect (who is?), but each and all of the GOP candidates strike me as too dangerous to have on the streets, let alone anywhere near the nuclear codes.

Most of them also strike me as weasels so wisted they'd be meeting themselves comming 'round corners, but that's a seperate matter.

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Postby Nidaria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:27 pm

Warriors United wrote:
Divair wrote:Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

UNNECESSARY?!?YOU HIT US, WE HIT YOU BACK HARDER! Nearly three thousand people were killed. And I think we would be better off leaving the rest of the world to itself. See how well it does. We can stop shipping food and supplies to the countries that hate us. I would have long time ago.

Does killing over two hundred thousand civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan justify it? In my opinion, most of the three thousand who were killed would not have wanted ten years of bloodshed in revenge.
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Postby Divair » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:27 pm

Warriors United wrote:
Divair wrote:Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

UNNECESSARY?!?YOU HIT US, WE HIT YOU BACK HARDER! Nearly three thousand people were killed. And I think we would be better off leaving the rest of the world to itself. See how well it does. We can stop shipping food and supplies to the countries that hate us. I would have long time ago.

You don't seem to understand. 9/11 wasn't the beginning. The USA was funding Al-Qaeda and the Taliban since the 60's and 70's to fight the Soviets. Meanwhile they were building up hate because the USA supported Israel's imperialist policies. Eventually Osama came up with a brilliant plan to bankrupt the USA by drawing them into wars they could not win.


Look who succeeded. Iraq is in a mess, Afghanistan is going to be taken over by the Taliban as soon as the US leaves, the US has spent trillions on two wars they didn't even win, and everyone is pissed off at the US because they fucked up. Again.

P.S. Why do you remember 3,000 people who died, but not the 140,000 innocent people who died in the two wars?

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Postby IshCong » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:28 pm

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Nidaria wrote:And Obama is a socialist, homosexual, affirmative action, pro-abortionist pig. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.


Entirely untrue, but those are all good things.


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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:32 pm

Dagnia wrote:Definitely Romney. It will be one of the rare the times I vote for one of the major parties, but Obama has been such a disaster I'll have to hold my nose and do it. Of the past presidents in my lifetime, 4 out of the 5 have "inherited" recessions from the previous ones (only Bush I got a good economy from his predecessor, the rest entered their presidency in one) and only Obama has continued to blame his failures on his predecessor into his last year. Bush was horrible in several respects, but I can't remember him mentioning Clinton or the dot-com bubble created under him once (and if Romney wins, the economy does not markedly improve and Romney breathes a word about Obama being responsible, the Democrat will get my vote in 2016).


The thing is, of those five presidents (assuming you haven't done any time travel), only Obama inherited an actual real recession (in 1981, real GDP y/y was over 2%, in 1989 it was over 3%, in in 1993 it was over nearly 3%, in 2001 it was over 1%, and in 2009 it was below -2%. More to the point, during Reagan's term, it improved by 1%, during Bush I's term, it didn't change, during Clinton's term, it dropped by 2% (that would be your dot com bubble), during Bush II's term, it dropped by more than 2%. During Obama's term, it has improved by 4% (to 2011, calculated by simple average over the four quarters because I couldn't find an annual source).

So, Reagan improved it by 1% in 8 years, Bush I didn't move it much in 4 years, Clinton made it worse by 2% in 8 years, Bush II made it worse by 2% in 8 years, and Obama improved it by 4% in three years. One of these is impressive.
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Postby ReVaQ » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:16 pm

MFW people in the US think that they have an democratic country. Seems like the illusion of free choice between the two sides are still grasping strong.

It's funny that you americans just let your country be so corrupt and people that protest against the social inequality?
THEY GET BEAT UP.

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Divair wrote:Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

UNNECESSARY?!?YOU HIT US, WE HIT YOU BACK HARDER! Nearly three thousand people were killed. And I think we would be better off leaving the rest of the world to itself. See how well it does. We can stop shipping food and supplies to the countries that hate us. We help our allies and thats it.

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Warriors United wrote:Obama raised this nation's debt in three years more than Bush did in eight. I am sick of people still pulling the "its Bush's fault" card. Bush has not been in office since 2008. He was not great. But give the guy a break. At least he did not go on apology tours around the world like Obama. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU! >:(

Do you know WHY the Taliban and Al-Qaeda want to kill you? Because you stick your noses in everyone else's business. You even FUNDED and TRAINED the Taliban and Al-Qaeda yourself. Then they turned on you because you defend Israel no matter how much they fuck up.

P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.

The attacks of the twin towers, known as 9/11 is due to both the poking and sticking ones nose in others business but it wouldn't happend if their religion was in the mix. They hijacked the plane thinking that they did it for Allah and the good of human kind beacuse of religion. Sure, they were extremist fundementalist muslims, but religion granted "it's good beacuse we know that the scripture says so and it's good!" I'm sure they wouldn't do it if they had lack of religious indocrination. To unfortunate actually one might call it.

P.s. It's both Bush fault and you the americans that let this occur.
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:38 pm

ReVaQ wrote:P.S. It is Bush's fault. He deregulated the market, make ridiculous tax cuts, and launched two unnecessary, expensive wars.
The attacks of the twin towers, known as 9/11 is due to both the poking and sticking ones nose in others business but it wouldn't happend if their religion was in the mix. They hijacked the plane thinking that they did it for Allah and the good of human kind beacuse of religion. Sure, they were extremist fundementalist muslims, but religion granted "it's good beacuse we know that the scripture says so and it's good!" I'm sure they wouldn't do it if they had lack of religious indocrination. To unfortunate actually one might call it.
P.s. It's both Bush fault and you the americans that let this occur.

You use P.S. too much. As a matter of fact, Moslem extremism would not exist today if the Ottoman Empire was not dissolved after the First World War. Bush, who has always been an idiot and a puppet, was partly to blame.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:52 pm

Warriors United wrote:Romney because he is not Obama. Almost anyone would be better. I don't care for Romney...he changes to much. Gingrich on the other hand is really smart and could tear Obama down on any topic. Too bad he likely won't be the canidate according to polls...

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Postby Inter de Milano » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:15 pm

Its all squared up now. Alone, according to the newest PPP poll, Obama beats Romney 49-46. However, If Romney were to choose NJ Gov. Chris Christie as VP things would be tied at 47-47. Jeb Bush would put Romney one point away from Obama 48-47, while former Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Rick Santorum would put Romney behind 2 points, 48-46. Game on!http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-has-small-lead-christie-would-help-romney.html
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Inter de Milano wrote:Its all squared up now. Alone, according to the newest PPP poll, Obama beats Romney 49-46. However, If Romney were to choose NJ Gov. Chris Christie as VP things would be tied at 47-47. Jeb Bush would put Romney one point away from Obama 48-47, while former Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Rick Santorum would put Romney behind 2 points, 48-46. Game on!http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-has-small-lead-christie-would-help-romney.html

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Postby XxGAMERZxX » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:19 pm

I support Romney I wish I could of saw him in ohio today :(
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:21 pm

Inter de Milano wrote:Its all squared up now. Alone, according to the newest PPP poll, Obama beats Romney 49-46. However, If Romney were to choose NJ Gov. Chris Christie as VP things would be tied at 47-47. Jeb Bush would put Romney one point away from Obama 48-47, while former Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Rick Santorum would put Romney behind 2 points, 48-46. Game on!http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-has-small-lead-christie-would-help-romney.html

Yes, but all three of those would overshadow him. People would be voting for the VP candidate.

Also, never get excited about one poll. It's about the trend, not the individual results.
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The United Britannian States wrote:im british but i want obama to win. romney is a facist, homophobic, racist, anti abortionist pig. along with all the other republican candidates

He is not a "facist": I've never heard of him discriminating against anyone based on their face.
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:24 pm

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The United Britannian States wrote:im british but i want obama to win. romney is a facist, homophobic, racist, anti abortionist pig. along with all the other republican candidates

He is not a "facist": I've never heard of him discriminating against anyone based on their face.

Nor is he a fascist or a racist.
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Postby Inter de Milano » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:26 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Inter de Milano wrote:Its all squared up now. Alone, according to the newest PPP poll, Obama beats Romney 49-46. However, If Romney were to choose NJ Gov. Chris Christie as VP things would be tied at 47-47. Jeb Bush would put Romney one point away from Obama 48-47, while former Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Rick Santorum would put Romney behind 2 points, 48-46. Game on!http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/obama-has-small-lead-christie-would-help-romney.html

Yes, but all three of those would overshadow him. People would be voting for the VP candidate.

Also, never get excited about one poll. It's about the trend, not the individual results.


Several other polls indicate the gap closing. Pew Research has it at 45-49 Obama, statistically the same, CBS has it as a tie, and Rasmussen and Gallup have Romney at +1 and +5 respectively. I am sensing a change in the wind.
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