Obama or Romney?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I love it that Romney can't even get ahead of "None of the above"

Yeah thats a shame.

[Seperates]

I love it that Romney can't even get ahead of "None of the above"

Yeah thats a shame.

I'm just waiting until the true liberal backlash against the conservatives begins... because it's not going to be an emotional hippy one like last time. It's going to come from the scientific fields and it's gonna hit this country hard.

[Megapolitania]

I'm voting for Rocky Anderson or Stewart Alexander. I live in CT, so my vote doesn't matter, the state is going to Obama anyway.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I'm voting for Rocky Anderson or Stewart Alexander. I live in CT, so my vote doesn't matter, the state is going to Obama anyway.

Your voting socialist? Is he even on the ballot in your state?

[Megapolitania]

I'm voting for Rocky Anderson or Stewart Alexander. I live in CT, so my vote doesn't matter, the state is going to Obama anyway.

Your voting socialist? Is he even on the ballot in your state?

Possibly. I'm not sure if Alexander is on the ballot, but the Socialist Party in CT isn't quite that weak.

[IshCong]

Well, I oppose smoking because I feel it causes more objective harm than objective good. Morally speaking, I'm apathetic, because the action is not taken to cause harm, nor to cause good, so it is morally neutral.

But regardless, we're all moralistic bastards, because everything comes down to some sort of moral judgement, including the moral judgement that it is good to help society, and what that means. So it's irrelevant.

Unless you are making them jump through hoops to recieve the aid, then you aren't being a moralistic bastard.

Wait...which aid?

Again, judging is fine. Forcing is not.

No, not judging or forcing people. Making the moral judgement that what helps society is good. It's a subjective, moralistic statement.
What qualifies 'good' is also a subjective, moralistic statement, that is often mutually exclusive. In this case, smoking, is freedom 'good', or is health 'good'?

[1337tonia]

I'm probably voting for that asshole Obama, beats that asshole Romney.

This is basically my view. I don't like either of them, but Obama seems to be the lesser of two evils.

[Divair]

If you legalize in America, the Cartel's main profit source will shrink enough that they will have about the same power that bootleggers have.

They tried that in Amsterdam, it didnt work well for them.

Er, source?

[Bodegraven]

They tried that in Amsterdam, it didnt work well for them.

Er, source?

Seconded. We in Holland don't have as much freedom as you think we have.

[Shofercia]

I love it that Romney can't even get ahead of "None of the above"

That just shows that NSG's very well informed

[Hippostania]

I support Mitt Romney. United States simply can't afford another four years of Obama.

[United Warrisons]

I support Mitt Romney. The United States simply can't afford another four years of Obama.

^This. Even though I like Obama, I believe Romney is a far better choice for America than Obama.

[Jafas United]

I support Mitt Romney. United States simply can't afford another four years of Obama.

As much as I like to agree with you, I'm quite cynical on the prospect Mitt Romney will be all that different from Barack Obama. They both share similar views on a lot of key issues and they're both neocons.

All in though, I still would prefer Romney over Obama.

[Georgizm]

I support Mitt Romney. United States simply can't afford another four years of Obama.

As much as I like to agree with you

[Jafas United]

As much as I like to agree with you

*Shhh* Don't tell anyone.

[Divair]

*Shhh* Don't tell anyone.

GUYS, GUYS, JAFAS AGREES WITH HIPPO

[Wikkiwallana]

More evidence that Romney has pretty much no appeal.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/record-s ... 4-zdO2W4qZ

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

More evidence that Romney has pretty much no appeal.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/record-s ... 4-zdO2W4qZ

Wow america really must like incompetant presidents. First Bush now Obama.

[Wikkiwallana]

More evidence that Romney has pretty much no appeal.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/record-s ... 4-zdO2W4qZ

Wow america really must like incompetant presidents. First Bush now Obama.

We get it, you have a personal grudge against Obama, yet can't provide any actual evidence about why he's so terrible. You don't have to bring it up every single day every time something tangentially related to him is mentioned.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Wow america really must like incompetant presidents. First Bush now Obama.

We get it, you have a personal grudge against Obama, yet can't provide any actual evidence about why he's so terrible. You don't have to bring it up every single day every time something tangentially related to him is mentioned.

1:Obamacare
2:Iraq
3:Dening that oil pipline
4:Not intervening in Syria
5:Not intervining in Iran
6:Not helping out Israel
7:Removing defences against Russia in Europe
8:Not helping the central American nations fight the cartels
9:Not punishing Pakistan for Bin Laden
10:Having a terrible economic plan

Happy?

[Wikkiwallana]

We get it, you have a personal grudge against Obama, yet can't provide any actual evidence about why he's so terrible. You don't have to bring it up every single day every time something tangentially related to him is mentioned.

1:Obamacare
2:Iraq
3:Dening that oil pipline
4:Not intervening in Syria
5:Not intervining in Iran
6:Not helping out Israel
7:Removing defences against Russia in Europe
8:Not helping the central American nations fight the cartels
9:Not punishing Pakistan for Bin Laden
10:Having a terrible economic plan

Happy?

No.
1. He wanted a public option, that got shot down.
2. What was wrong with Iraq?
3. He was given a tiny window to either approve a preliminary idea as the final plan or veto it. He did the sane thing.
4. & 5. We do too much intervening already.
6. How exactly?
7. Russia hasn't been a bad guy in decades.
8. Last time we tried that, things went all to hell.
9. How exactly?
10. He's a lawyer, not an economist.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

1:Obamacare
2:Iraq
3:Dening that oil pipline
4:Not intervening in Syria
5:Not intervining in Iran
6:Not helping out Israel
7:Removing defences against Russia in Europe
8:Not helping the central American nations fight the cartels
9:Not punishing Pakistan for Bin Laden
10:Having a terrible economic plan

Happy?

No.
1. He wanted a public option, that got shot down.
2. What was wrong with Iraq?
3. He was given a tiny window to either approve a preliminary idea as the final plan or veto it. He did the sane thing.
4. & 5. We do too much intervening already.
6. How exactly?
7. Russia hasn't been a bad guy in decades.
8. Last time we tried that, things went all to hell.
9. How exactly?
10. He's a lawyer, not an economist.

1: It is against the constitution
2: The job wasnt done
3: America needs the alaskan oil
4 & 5 Syria suffers horrible opression, Iran wants to nuke Isreal
6:By refusing to help them against their enemies and prevent them from attacking Iran first
7: Russia could be a threat should they get an anti american president in office
8: Drug crime is a major issue and central america needs aid
9: The USA shouldve bombed Pakistan and overthrew their government and have them executed for lieing to the USA
10:He is a senator, a bad one at that

[Wikkiwallana]

No.
1. He wanted a public option, that got shot down.
2. What was wrong with Iraq?
3. He was given a tiny window to either approve a preliminary idea as the final plan or veto it. He did the sane thing.
4. & 5. We do too much intervening already.
6. How exactly?
7. Russia hasn't been a bad guy in decades.
8. Last time we tried that, things went all to hell.
9. How exactly?
10. He's a lawyer, not an economist.

1: It is against the constitution

Which, the mandate or a public option?

2: The job wasnt done

Define the job. Clearly, without being vague. Set goals that can be objectively determined to have been achieved or not.

3: America needs the alaskan oil

The fuck does that have to do with "Make this rough draft the final version or shut the whole thing down"? Which was the situation forced on him.

4 & 5 Syria suffers horrible opression, Iran wants to nuke Isreal

And? Our job is not to police the whole world.

6:By refusing to help them against their enemies and prevent them from attacking Iran first

So?

7: Russia could be a threat should they get an anti american president in office

Being dicks to them increases the odds of that happening. Being reasonable decreases them.

8: Drug crime is a major issue and central america needs aid

And attacking a well equipped enemy who has dug into a jungle is suicide. Vietnam taught us that. We'll have to address the rug problem domestically, because the source is untouchable.

9: The USA shouldve bombed Pakistan and overthrew their government and have them executed for lieing to the USA

Because that's not a psychotic overreaction at all.

10:He is a senator, a bad one at that

Which is irrelevant to whether he should be expected to be good at writing budgets.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

1: It is against the constitution

Which, the mandate or a public option?

2: The job wasnt done

Define the job. Clearly, without being vague. Set goals that can be objectively determined to have been achieved or not.

3: America needs the alaskan oil

The fuck does that have to do with "Make this rough draft the final version or shut the whole thing down"? Which was the situation forced on him.

4 & 5 Syria suffers horrible opression, Iran wants to nuke Isreal

And? Our job is not to police the whole world.

6:By refusing to help them against their enemies and prevent them from attacking Iran first

So?

7: Russia could be a threat should they get an anti american president in office

Being dicks to them increases the odds of that happening. Being reasonable decreases them.

8: Drug crime is a major issue and central america needs aid

And attacking a well equipped enemy who has dug into a jungle is suicide. Vietnam taught us that. We'll have to address the rug problem domestically, because the source is untouchable.

9: The USA shouldve bombed Pakistan and overthrew their government and have them executed for lieing to the USA

Because that's not a psychotic overreaction at all.

10:He is a senator, a bad one at that

Which is irrelevant to whether he should be expected to be good at writing budgets.

1:The mandate
2:Overthrow Saddam(done) and set up a stable Iraqi government capable of enforcing order without American help(not done)
3:A pipeline would make it easier to transport oil to America
4/5: America cannot let its ally be destroyed by Iran, and Syria is in need of American intervention
6:America needs to help them not turn their backs on them!
7:The US relations with Russia have never been good, getting rid of the US missle defense programs in Europe not a good idea
8:I think an army can defeat some drug peddling jackasses
9:Pakistan lied and cheated the the US over that and is still lieing and cheating to the US on several other things
10:A president needs to be able to help the economy!

[Wikkiwallana]

Which, the mandate or a public option?

Define the job. Clearly, without being vague. Set goals that can be objectively determined to have been achieved or not.

The fuck does that have to do with "Make this rough draft the final version or shut the whole thing down"? Which was the situation forced on him.

And? Our job is not to police the whole world.

So?

Being dicks to them increases the odds of that happening. Being reasonable decreases them.

And attacking a well equipped enemy who has dug into a jungle is suicide. Vietnam taught us that. We'll have to address the rug problem domestically, because the source is untouchable.

Because that's not a psychotic overreaction at all.

Which is irrelevant to whether he should be expected to be good at writing budgets.

1:The mandate
2:Overthrow Saddam(done) and set up a stable Iraqi government capable of enforcing order without American help(not done)
3:A pipeline would make it easier to transport oil to America
4/5: America cannot let its ally be destroyed by Iran, and Syria is in need of American intervention
6:America needs to help them not turn their backs on them!
7:The US relations with Russia have never been good, getting rid of the US missle defense programs in Europe not a good idea
8:I think an army can defeat some drug peddling jackasses
9:Pakistan lied and cheated the the US over that and is still lieing and cheating to the US on several other things
10:A president needs to be able to help the economy!

1. It might be, it's before the Supreme Court now and we will find out eventually.
2.There is a democratically elected government in place, and they asked us to leave.
3. And a bad path for it would potentially destroy the midwest.
4. Iran isn't going to destroy Israel, nor do I consider a country that takes such lopsided advantage of us an ally.
5. Has Syria asked us to help?
6. Why?
7. Russia isn't going to sudden;y nuke Europe, it would be pointless.
8. Then you don't understand what guerilla warfare is like.
9. Which does not deserve total annihilation.
10. And overall, he has. That he put forth one bad plan does not negate the good he has done.