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Who do you support for president of the USA in 2012?

I support Mitt Romney
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I support neither
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28%
I support Barrack Obama
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:19 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Seperates wrote:And wave our gigantic military cock in the air saying "Hey world, Look what I can do!"

To be fair, it's not like the Iraq War precipitated (preceded? precursored? Y'know, was the cause of) that. We've been waving our gigantic military cock in the air saying "Hey world, look what I can do." since at LEAST the 1890s, if not earlier.

Yeah... but that's just another excuse for it :p
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:21 pm

Drug cartels in central america are brutal, they kill hundreds, rob hundreds more, get people addicted to terrible drugs which ruins their pysical and fianancial health, thats why america should sent troops to central america, to fight the cartels there and stop the killings of inncocent people.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:22 pm

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Seperates wrote:Detriot nearly burns itself to the ground everytime the Red Wings win or lose the Stanley Cup (which is exactly the same relationship that Los Angeles has with the Lakers). It'd take a economic miracle to improve it. However, I do agree with you on the Russia point. And yes... we got out of Iraq... So we could vacation in Afghanistan! :lol:

The Lakers play hockey now?

Well... no. But it's the same thing.

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:22 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Drug cartels in central america are brutal, they kill hundreds, rob hundreds more, get people addicted to terrible drugs which ruins their pysical and fianancial health, thats why america should sent troops to central america, to fight the cartels there and stop the killings of inncocent people.


Legalizing the drugs here would pretty much solve this problem, with minimal troop loss, cost, and it would actually GIVE us money.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:23 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Drug cartels in central america are brutal, they kill hundreds, rob hundreds more, get people addicted to terrible drugs which ruins their pysical and fianancial health, thats why america should sent troops to central america, to fight the cartels there and stop the killings of inncocent people.

Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:25 pm

Seperates wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Drug cartels in central america are brutal, they kill hundreds, rob hundreds more, get people addicted to terrible drugs which ruins their pysical and fianancial health, thats why america should sent troops to central america, to fight the cartels there and stop the killings of inncocent people.

Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.

Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Seperates wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Drug cartels in central america are brutal, they kill hundreds, rob hundreds more, get people addicted to terrible drugs which ruins their pysical and fianancial health, thats why america should sent troops to central america, to fight the cartels there and stop the killings of inncocent people.

Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.


Nonsense. You just aren't using a big enough hammer. Go nuclear, that will solve it. :twisted:

Joking aside, yes, sometimes there are options that solve the problem better than a hammer can.
Though, some drugs need to stay illegal. Marijuana? Maybe. Cocaine, heroin? I'd rather not. :?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:27 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Seperates wrote:Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.

Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.


Whut? The War on Drugs is to reduce ILLEGAL drug trade. If it's legal, why would illegal drug trafficking groups exist anymore? People could just buy it here in America, which creates more money for us.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Avenio » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:27 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.


No, but what it would do would be to create legitimate competition against them. American pharmaceutical companies, for instance, or home-growers in the case of marijuana. Both can produce the drugs safer and at a much lower cost of life than the cartels; when given the choice, most people would buy from legitimate sources. That will cut off the cartels' source of funds right at the root.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:27 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Seperates wrote:Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.

Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.

It would undercut their profitability though, which is the main thing that allows them to so violently and effectively do what they do. Sure they'd still exist, just as bootleggers still exist and sprung into existence after Prohibition was banned, but their power is essentially castrated because they can't make as much of a buck off of every ounce they sell.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:27 pm

IshCong wrote:Nonsense. You just aren't using a big enough hammer. Go nuclear, that will solve it. :twisted:

Joking aside, yes, sometimes there are options that solve the problem better than a hammer can.
Though, some drugs need to stay illegal. Marijuana? Maybe. Cocaine, heroin? I'd rather not. :?


Why keep Marijuana illegal? I can understand drugs like Meth and Cocaine.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:28 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.


Whut? The War on Drugs is to reduce ILLEGAL drug trade. If it's legal, why would illegal drug trafficking groups exist anymore? People could just buy it here in America, which creates more money for us.


Transitioning to other illegal drugs/items? Or selling drugs for less money than the companies can?
I think the former is more likely. *shrugs*
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:29 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Seperates wrote:Yes, and raise up prices even more, and get even more innocent people AND troops killed by the cartels allowing them to expand every influence.

Not every problem can be solved by taking a sledgehammer to it.

Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.

It would drive prices down and they would HAVE to stop doing to stay profitable, if they hope to compete with American companies that would obviously pop up because of decriminalization. Drugs are cheaply made, by difficult to ship because of law enforcment. The cost to ship is what inflates the price. Get rid of the cost to ship and suddenly prices pullument, and you don't have to wage war with local police in order to stay in the green.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:30 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
IshCong wrote:Nonsense. You just aren't using a big enough hammer. Go nuclear, that will solve it. :twisted:

Joking aside, yes, sometimes there are options that solve the problem better than a hammer can.
Though, some drugs need to stay illegal. Marijuana? Maybe. Cocaine, heroin? I'd rather not. :?


Why keep Marijuana illegal? I can understand drugs like Meth and Cocaine.


Health concerns, for the most part.
But, the more I talk about it, the more I wonder, so I'm not really firmly for either side at the moment.
But...that's probably a talk for another da...thread. xD
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:30 pm

IshCong wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Whut? The War on Drugs is to reduce ILLEGAL drug trade. If it's legal, why would illegal drug trafficking groups exist anymore? People could just buy it here in America, which creates more money for us.


Transitioning to other illegal drugs/items? Or selling drugs for less money than the companies can?
I think the former is more likely. *shrugs*


Obviously the former is indeed more likely, but not nearly as many people use stuff like Meth.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:30 pm

Avenio wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Even if drugs were legalised that wouldnt stop the cartels from doing what they do.


No, but what it would do would be to create legitimate competition against them. American pharmaceutical companies, for instance, or home-growers in the case of marijuana. Both can produce the drugs safer and at a much lower cost of life than the cartels; when given the choice, most people would buy from legitimate sources. That will cut off the cartels' source of funds right at the root.

Fair enough but they can still kill their rivals or burn down their homes and business's or rob them, like they do innocent people all the time.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:31 pm

IshCong wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Why keep Marijuana illegal? I can understand drugs like Meth and Cocaine.


Health concerns, for the most part.
But, the more I talk about it, the more I wonder, so I'm not really firmly for either side at the moment.
But...that's probably a talk for another da...thread. xD


What health concerns though? The only ones that have any weight are if you smoke it heavily. At the right dosage, it as health benefits. The same is true with LSD.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:32 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Avenio wrote:
No, but what it would do would be to create legitimate competition against them. American pharmaceutical companies, for instance, or home-growers in the case of marijuana. Both can produce the drugs safer and at a much lower cost of life than the cartels; when given the choice, most people would buy from legitimate sources. That will cut off the cartels' source of funds right at the root.

Fair enough but they can still kill their rivals or burn down their homes and business's or rob them, like they do innocent people all the time.


Yes, the drug cartels will invade America and kill the competition. Seems legit.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:33 pm

IshCong wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Why keep Marijuana illegal? I can understand drugs like Meth and Cocaine.


Health concerns, for the most part.
But, the more I talk about it, the more I wonder, so I'm not really firmly for either side at the moment.
But...that's probably a talk for another da...thread. xD

Then ban cigarettes already. I don't even smoke anything and I know those bastards don't even give you a high.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:33 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Fair enough but they can still kill their rivals or burn down their homes and business's or rob them, like they do innocent people all the time.


Yes, the drug cartels will invade America and kill the competition. Seems legit.

I meant central america. Like Mexico and Colombia.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Avenio wrote:
No, but what it would do would be to create legitimate competition against them. American pharmaceutical companies, for instance, or home-growers in the case of marijuana. Both can produce the drugs safer and at a much lower cost of life than the cartels; when given the choice, most people would buy from legitimate sources. That will cut off the cartels' source of funds right at the root.

Fair enough but they can still kill their rivals or burn down their homes and business's or rob them, like they do innocent people all the time.

Why would they do that when there's no profit in it? Most cartels are "Business first, violence second". What they can't achieve with money, they will try to achieve with violence. And if there is no money, or very little money, involved then there is less of a reason to become violent.
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Postby Islamic Bosnian Emirates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:35 pm

Vousielle wrote:I'm probably voting for that asshole Obama, beats that asshole Romney.


LMFAO! so TRUE

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Yes, the drug cartels will invade America and kill the competition. Seems legit.

I meant central america. Like Mexico and Colombia.


We are talking about legalization in America.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:36 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I meant central america. Like Mexico and Colombia.


We are talking about legalization in America.

You are talking legalization in general and the Central American nations need more than that.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Seperates wrote:
IshCong wrote:
Health concerns, for the most part.
But, the more I talk about it, the more I wonder, so I'm not really firmly for either side at the moment.
But...that's probably a talk for another da...thread. xD

Then ban cigarettes already. I don't even smoke anything and I know those bastards don't even give you a high.


If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't. :(
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