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Who do you support for president of the USA in 2012?

I support Mitt Romney
250
21%
I support neither
341
28%
I support Barrack Obama
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:06 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:1979? They still haven't realized this isn't 1953.

I dont think repubilcans look at Eisenhour as much as the do Reagan and the two Bush's.

Who was talking about Eisenhower?
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:07 pm

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Sangrivia wrote:I support Obama. He got us out of Iraq, is keeping us out of Syria, and the auto bailout was a success.


The auto bailout was a success????

Yeah.
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Postby 420NATION420 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:07 pm

R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I dont think repubilcans look at Eisenhour as much as the do Reagan and the two Bush's.

Who was talking about Eisenhower?

Eisenhower was president then.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm

The Finlandia Peoples wrote:
Sangrivia wrote:I support Obama. He got us out of Iraq, is keeping us out of Syria, and the auto bailout was a success.


The auto bailout was a success???? Have u ever been in Detroit, mind you its gotten a lil better but still parts of it r ghost towns....as for syria, the only reason we r not in, is because Syria and Russia r very great allies. if we were to get involved in Syria, Russia would counteract, either directly or indirectly... I will say he did get us out of Iraq, I hope not too soon....


1. Detroit has been suffering since the early 80s. Coincidentally, this is when GM started moving its factories to Mexico(while retaining its same generous tax breaks,) thanks to Reagan's union busting and the administration just generally being in bed with corporations on a level completely unseen before.

2. We aren't involved in Syria because we haven't received a UN Mandate. Al-Assad has tentatively accepted a ceasefire, and there are only a few real hotspots left. The UN is working with the military to try and stop the fighting completely as we speak.

3. Too soon? We shouldn't have been involved to begin with. Iraq was a fucking disaster and we've accomplished nothing save for pissing away ~$3 trillion and killing hundreds of thousands of people.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm

The Finlandia Peoples wrote:
Sangrivia wrote:I support Obama. He got us out of Iraq, is keeping us out of Syria, and the auto bailout was a success.


The auto bailout was a success???? Have u ever been in Detroit, mind you its gotten a lil better but still parts of it r ghost towns....as for syria, the only reason we r not in, is because Syria and Russia r very great allies. if we were to get involved in Syria, Russia would counteract, either directly or indirectly... I will say he did get us out of Iraq, I hope not too soon....

Detriot nearly burns itself to the ground everytime the Red Wings win or lose the Stanley Cup (which is exactly the same relationship that Los Angeles has with the Lakers). It'd take a economic miracle to improve it. However, I do agree with you on the Russia point. And yes... we got out of Iraq... So we could vacation in Afghanistan! :lol:
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm

420NATION420 wrote:R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.


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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:09 pm

420NATION420 wrote:R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.


You do realize most of that is due to the president before him right?
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:09 pm

420NATION420 wrote:R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.

And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:10 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
420NATION420 wrote:R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.

And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.

Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:11 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote: Too soon? We shouldn't have been involved to begin with. Iraq was a fucking disaster and we've accomplished nothing save for pissing away ~$3 trillion and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

And wave our gigantic military cock in the air saying "Hey world, Look what I can do!"
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.

Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.


More money, less people dying from Drug Wars, it's useful for medicinal purposes, etc.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:12 pm

The Finlandia Peoples wrote:
Sangrivia wrote:I support Obama. He got us out of Iraq, is keeping us out of Syria, and the auto bailout was a success.


The auto bailout was a success???? Have u ever been in Detroit, mind you its gotten a lil better but still parts of it r ghost towns....as for syria, the only reason we r not in, is because Syria and Russia r very great allies. if we were to get involved in Syria, Russia would counteract, either directly or indirectly... I will say he did get us out of Iraq, I hope not too soon....

When Debating the Auto Bailout, Consider Lehman’s wrote:Unlike a science experiment, in which variables can be changed and the experiment repeated, we can’t turn back the clock, let the auto companies go bankrupt and compare the results with what we have today, which is an American auto industry that is, by nearly all measures, healthier than it’s been in many years. G.M. and Chrysler, not to mention Ford, which didn’t get taxpayer money but benefited indirectly, are profitable, hiring more workers, competing more effectively, gaining market share and building better cars and trucks.

http://prospect.org/article/unpopular-s ... to-bailout
http://swampland.time.com/2012/02/24/ob ... m-remains/
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/291776/ ... rysler.htm
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.

Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.

Here's a conservative take on the issue.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.


More money, less people dying from Drug Wars, it's useful for medicinal purposes, etc.

What drug wars? Hell the USA should send troops to central america to help against the drug cartels there.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:13 pm

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New England and The Maritimes wrote: Too soon? We shouldn't have been involved to begin with. Iraq was a fucking disaster and we've accomplished nothing save for pissing away ~$3 trillion and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

And wave our gigantic military cock in the air saying "Hey world, Look what I can do!"

To be fair, it's not like the Iraq War precipitated (preceded? precursored? Y'know, was the cause of) that. We've been waving our gigantic military cock in the air saying "Hey world, look what I can do." since at LEAST the 1890s, if not earlier.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:14 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.

Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.

Basically makes it into cigerettes. Gets rid of the black market. We can tax it for income, and stop wasting money on pursuing and imprisoning minor drug felons (whom arresting also gets rid of their taxable income as well).

Legalise and regulate.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:15 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
More money, less people dying from Drug Wars, it's useful for medicinal purposes, etc.

What drug wars? Hell the USA should send troops to central america to help against the drug cartels there.


So wait, instead of legalizing drugs and fixing the problem quickly, you want to CONTINUE to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it, WASTE troops and risk the lives of them over DRUGS, etc.?

Not only this, but legalize drugs and our "Highest crime rate in the world" status will begin to fade.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:16 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:What drug wars? Hell the USA should send troops to central america to help against the drug cartels there.


So wait, instead of legalizing drugs and fixing the problem quickly, you want to CONTINUE to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it, WASTE troops and risk the lives of them over DRUGS, etc.?

Uhh you dont know much about central america do you?
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:And Obama still officially supports decriminalization of marijuana, if his comments in Columbia are anything to go by.

Romney wants you in prison like the dirty stoner you are.

Uhh why is legalising a drug a good thing? Its called dope for a reason.

here's ten reasons why.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 pm

420NATION420 wrote:R U FUCKING kidding me obama has wated sooo much tax payers money.and created soooo much debt.we need any body but obama hes has spent more money then all the presidents put 2 gether dont believe me research it.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:Who was talking about Eisenhower?

Eisenhower was president then.

And? Doesn't mean I was talking about him.
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Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:18 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:
So wait, instead of legalizing drugs and fixing the problem quickly, you want to CONTINUE to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it, WASTE troops and risk the lives of them over DRUGS, etc.?

Uhh you dont know much about central america do you?

You obviously don't know much about America's interactions with South American Cartels. It doesn't work how we want it to.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:18 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So wait, instead of legalizing drugs and fixing the problem quickly, you want to CONTINUE to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it, WASTE troops and risk the lives of them over DRUGS, etc.?

Uhh you dont know much about central america do you?


Do you know ANYTHING about the drug war?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:18 pm

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The Finlandia Peoples wrote:
The auto bailout was a success???? Have u ever been in Detroit, mind you its gotten a lil better but still parts of it r ghost towns....as for syria, the only reason we r not in, is because Syria and Russia r very great allies. if we were to get involved in Syria, Russia would counteract, either directly or indirectly... I will say he did get us out of Iraq, I hope not too soon....

Detriot nearly burns itself to the ground everytime the Red Wings win or lose the Stanley Cup (which is exactly the same relationship that Los Angeles has with the Lakers). It'd take a economic miracle to improve it. However, I do agree with you on the Russia point. And yes... we got out of Iraq... So we could vacation in Afghanistan! :lol:

The Lakers play hockey now?
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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