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Who do you support for president of the USA in 2012?

I support Mitt Romney
250
21%
I support neither
341
28%
I support Barrack Obama
624
51%
 
Total votes : 1215

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Postby Thatius » Wed May 16, 2012 10:44 am

-Yes, I am very religious and believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman only.
-I am not suggesting Trayvon got what he deserved. If he wants to get in trouble, skip school, do weed, blah, blah, blah, then that's up to him, I don't care what he does. The only problem I have with this whole case is that Obama made those remarks saying his son would look like Trayvon.
-I have lived in my town for about six years. Unemployment stands at about 15% in our county, and things are still bad as they were four years ago. So many shops have closed downtown and the only thing holding up this place is a chemical company that employs about 35% of all workers here. It's miserable, and things aren't looking up.
-Drilling should help with the prices because you increase the supply, the price goes down. However, with the speculation, it still will remain as high. There just has to be a way to change this speculation business...and I'd like to see a push towards REASONABLE alternative fuels. Solyndra was just a dumb investment.



1000th post too. Wohoo.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Wed May 16, 2012 10:45 am

Thatius wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And this is bad why?


And that justifies his murder?



Really. You might want to look up from your books and see that he has been trying to do things.

Repubs are the ones not wanting to do anything. As they have basically said their mission is to deny anything this President attempts.



What exactly is that positive way thing?



-I'm against same-sex marriage. Are we gonna really start a debate on that?

You brought it up, in fact listed it as your top reason, without giving any clue why you think it is a bad thing, let alone the worst in the world.
Thatius wrote:-His murder is not justified, but Obama's comment was not. If he had a son, it would be a kid who skips school, does marijuana, and gets in trouble? Really?

What Obama said is that his son would physically resemble Trayvon, an obviously true statement. In the eyes of some, just looking black while you're walking in a "good" neighborhood is reason enough to stalk, hassle, or even shoot.
Thatius wrote: I hate how the media portrays Trayvon as well..showing his picture as some innocent teenager..

He WAS an innocent teenager. I hope you're not one of the people who believed that photoshop picture of "gangsta Trayvon" from the Stormfront site.
Thatius wrote:-I'd rather see him do more things on the economy

Then get those Republicans out of Congress.
Thatius wrote: than talk about same-sex marriage or healthcare. No offense to the gays, but uhh...the economy more important. Is the unemployment rate really dropping or are less people looking for jobs? Just last week people requesting unemployment benefits rose..

Under Bush the Republicans had no hesitancy in bashing us while the economy was going to hell. It's only saying good things that should be outlawed?
Thatius wrote:-Positive way: meaning he has done something that I approve and has positively affected me. Thanks to a horrible economy, my parents have lost money and now we have high gas prices among other things.

Bush tanked the economy; under Obama it has gotten better. And if you blame the President for gasoline prices (something that actually no President has much direct impact on), surely you can credit him for the dramatic downspike in recent weeks (gas prices almost never fall in May).
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2012 10:50 am

Thatius wrote:-Yes, I am very religious and believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

The solution is clear. You don't get gay married.
Thatius wrote:-I am not suggesting Trayvon got what he deserved. If he wants to get in trouble, skip school, do weed, blah, blah, blah, then that's up to him, I don't care what he does. The only problem I have with this whole case is that Obama made those remarks saying his son would look like Trayvon.

It is true, though. Not sure how pointing out the obvious is a bad thing.
Thatius wrote:-I have lived in my town for about six years. Unemployment stands at about 15% in our county, and things are still bad as they were four years ago. So many shops have closed downtown and the only thing holding up this place is a chemical company that employs about 35% of all workers here. It's miserable, and things aren't looking up.

Seems like you've been living in a single industry town. Those are indeed struggling.
Thatius wrote:-Drilling should help with the prices because you increase the supply, the price goes down. However, with the speculation, it still will remain as high. There just has to be a way to change this speculation business...and I'd like to see a push towards REASONABLE alternative fuels. Solyndra was just a dumb investment.

Good news! Oil production in the US has increased under Obama..
Solyndra was bad optics, but was not the entirety of the renewable fuels initiative.


Thatius wrote:1000th post too. Wohoo.

Have a cheeseburger or something.
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Postby Thatius » Wed May 16, 2012 10:50 am

Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:

Image


In reality:
Image


And there are other images MUCH worse that I could post here, but probably couldn't. Two of which have him sticking up his middle fingers. Have you even seen his twitter handle? "NO_LIMIT_(insert N word here)"
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2012 10:52 am

Thatius wrote:Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:



In reality:


My god...he's got a hoodie on...why, this changes everything!
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 16, 2012 10:52 am

Thatius wrote:Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:



In reality:


And there are other images MUCH worse that I could post here, but probably couldn't. Two of which have him sticking up his middle fingers. Have you even seen his twitter handle? "NO_LIMIT_(insert N word here)"

I'm convinced. I think his entire family should be rounded up and executed. Thank you for tearing the veil from my eyes.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 16, 2012 10:54 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Thatius wrote:Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:



In reality:


My god...he's got a hoodie on...why, this changes everything!


Damn I have one on! :shock:

Should I take it off?
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Postby Thatius » Wed May 16, 2012 10:57 am

Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.
Image

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.

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Postby Technonuts » Wed May 16, 2012 10:59 am

I am voting for PIRATES!


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all kidding aside, I hate Romney, so, I guess Obomama
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2012 10:59 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:My god...he's got a hoodie on...why, this changes everything!


Damn I have one on! :shock:

Should I take it off?

In Florida, and apparently some forum posters estimation, that's a shootin' offense...
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Postby Natapoc » Wed May 16, 2012 11:01 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:My god...he's got a hoodie on...why, this changes everything!


Damn I have one on! :shock:

Should I take it off?


Only if you don't want to get murdered in Florida and the guy who killed you hailed as a hero and all sorts of right wing people claiming that you were obviously a "thug" because you wore a one.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 16, 2012 11:02 am

Thatius wrote:Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.


I am looking for this "race baiting"

Again have you lived a life without profanity? Ever made gay jokes? Spoke of immigrants?

Better yet. Have you ever confronted somebody who has?
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am

Thatius wrote:Can't wait to vote for the first time in my life come November, and I'm voting for Mitt Romney (most likely.)

I cannot vote for a president who:
-Supports same-sex marriage
-Says Trayvon Martin is his son (your son would get kicked out of school for marijuana possession?)
-Would rather focus on gay marriage and healthcare than what matters most, the economy.
-Has yet to affect me in a positive way as a white, middle-class, college student. (I don't have student loans thanks to getting a full scholarship. I also have not focused on getting a full-time job because I'm in college)

among other reasons...(*puts on shield for incoming rebuttals*)

i find it odd that you diss the president for putting gay marriage before the economy while you put gay marriage at the top of your list.
whatever

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am

Thatius wrote:Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.

Image
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 16, 2012 11:04 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Thatius wrote:Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.

Image


KILL HIM! Oh wait......
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Postby Natapoc » Wed May 16, 2012 11:06 am

Thatius wrote:Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.


I see. So in conclusion, if you are overtly racist you're not going to want to vote for Obama.
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Postby New Abooutland » Wed May 16, 2012 11:06 am

none they are both as bad as each other IMO
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Postby Thatius » Wed May 16, 2012 11:09 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thatius wrote:Haha..he's got a hoodie on yeah. But that make him seem like the sweet and innocent child that the media portrays him as?

Could I possibly post the pictures of him sticking up his middle fingers? Yeah, that's real class. I'll try my luck. Mods can remove the post if it's offensive.

Is that Obama's son?

@Farnhamia- Yup, I agree with you. They should all be executed because they're black and "gangsta." And I wonder, for probably the 8th time, why I come here with comments like those.

Overall my point is that Obama's comments were out of line and "race-baiting." See: the last picture.


I am looking for this "race baiting"

Again have you lived a life without profanity? Ever made gay jokes? Spoke of immigrants?

Better yet. Have you ever confronted somebody who has?


As for race-baiting, I meant that Obama was stirring the pot by bringing his opinion in the mix. Trying to make this a big issue and get sympathy.

And yes, I have lived a life w/o profanity. I have never cursed in my life, and that's a fact. Might have said a word or two in my head, but that's it. Never made a gay joke because I don't have any hatred against gays, I'm just against gay marriage. Spoke of immigrants? My dad is an immigrant from Germany...and some of my best friends in Atlanta were from different countries (Mexico, India, and Brazil.)

Confronted someone who made a gay joke, made fun of immigrants? No, because the people I hang out with don't do that kind of thing. The people who I am around don't make those kind of statements in public or in front of me...

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Wed May 16, 2012 11:09 am

Thatius wrote:Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:



In reality:


And there are other images MUCH worse that I could post here, but probably couldn't. Two of which have him sticking up his middle fingers. Have you even seen his twitter handle? "NO_LIMIT_(insert N word here)"


Look I'm not under the delusion that Martin was this saintly Rhodes scholar to be as a lot of people are portraying him as. But that does not mean his death was deserved, and the lack of an initial investigation warranted.

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Postby Thatius » Wed May 16, 2012 11:13 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Thatius wrote:Trayvon Martin through the eye's of the liberal media:



In reality:


And there are other images MUCH worse that I could post here, but probably couldn't. Two of which have him sticking up his middle fingers. Have you even seen his twitter handle? "NO_LIMIT_(insert N word here)"


Look I'm not under the delusion that Martin was this saintly Rhodes scholar to be as a lot of people are portraying him as. But that does not mean his death was deserved, and the lack of an initial investigation warranted.



Like I said earlier, his death was not deserved. The only point I am trying to make here is that it was very inappropriate for Obama to make those comments that Trayvon would look like his son if he had one. THE President of the United States, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, would have a son who has a twitter handle "NO LIMIT NIGGA" with nice photos of him sticking his middle fingers up at the camera?

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Wed May 16, 2012 11:14 am

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Eh, as if there really is a difference. Romney isn't as right as he is playing to be and Obama will continue on governing from the center. Glad those are the choices (rather than actual radically different candidates).

Yeah, except that Romney's a limp dishrag who wouldn't dare sneeze without the permission of the far right. He's not another Richard Nixon, for God's sake; he's not capable of standing up for himself. He'll do whatever the Party's ultra-cons tell him to do because he'll be scared to death of drawing a primary challenge in 2016 if he doesn't.

That's the difference between Obama and Romney: Obama may want to go left, but he knows he has no political choice in the end but to run to the center. Romney may want to go to the center, but he knows he has no political choice but to run to the right.


That won't be the case, however. Conservatives said the same thing about Obama, hell liberals said the same thing about Obama: That he'd govern from the left. But he hasn't been able to, and the same will be the case for Romney should he win, except from the right. I am tired of people blowing this elections out of proportion, trying to do as they have for every election before -make it the defining moment in America- that's bullshit. A Romney victory wouldn't be great or ideal, but it's not going to be the end of the world as we know it.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Wed May 16, 2012 11:18 am

Thatius wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Look I'm not under the delusion that Martin was this saintly Rhodes scholar to be as a lot of people are portraying him as. But that does not mean his death was deserved, and the lack of an initial investigation warranted.



Like I said earlier, his death was not deserved. The only point I am trying to make here is that it was very inappropriate for Obama to make those comments that Trayvon would look like his son if he had one. THE President of the United States, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, would have a son who has a twitter handle "NO LIMIT NIGGA" with nice photos of him sticking his middle fingers up at the camera?


I think what Obama was saying is that the kid looked like him in some ways and it's scary to think him dead, I can sympathize with that reasoning.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 16, 2012 11:19 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Thatius wrote:

Like I said earlier, his death was not deserved. The only point I am trying to make here is that it was very inappropriate for Obama to make those comments that Trayvon would look like his son if he had one. THE President of the United States, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, would have a son who has a twitter handle "NO LIMIT NIGGA" with nice photos of him sticking his middle fingers up at the camera?


I think what Obama was saying is that the kid looked like him in some ways and it's scary to think him dead, I can sympathize with that reasoning.


Indeed. I can see a little resemblance. I also sympathize with his reasoning......
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2012 11:22 am

Thatius wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Look I'm not under the delusion that Martin was this saintly Rhodes scholar to be as a lot of people are portraying him as. But that does not mean his death was deserved, and the lack of an initial investigation warranted.



Like I said earlier, his death was not deserved. The only point I am trying to make here is that it was very inappropriate for Obama to make those comments that Trayvon would look like his son if he had one. THE President of the United States, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, would have a son who has a twitter handle "NO LIMIT NIGGA" with nice photos of him sticking his middle fingers up at the camera?

I had a response, but then I wanted to verify this Twitter tag that has you so bunched up (was George Zimmerman following him on Twitter?) and found that this says much more than I was gonna.
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Postby Corel » Wed May 16, 2012 11:38 am

There have been numerous sites saying that middle finger pic is fake. Can anyone confirm its validity?

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